Thiago Alcantara at Liverpool - Will he be a success?

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No way he plays. He hasn't even trained yet.
Yeah agreed. If he travels to Lincoln he might get some minutes there, then come off the bench against Arsenal and the same (or start) against Villa.

Wouldn't be surprised if his first start only comes after the international break though, against Everton or Sheffield. That's still a month away.
 

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Is Ballack generally considered a Prem flop? Feel like he was good for them sortve post Mourinho onwards, maybe unfairly attached with Sheva who was defo a flop
Wouldn't say that he was a flop (or anywhere nearby), but he came as one of the best midfielders in the world, and was just alright.
To be fair, it simply was a bad match. Lampard was never able to play great with Gerrard, so Chelsea on their infinite wisdom, paired him with another great attacking midfielder who like Gerrard, occupies the same place as Lampard.
 

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If Bayern wanted to keep him they easily could have, especially when they are financially stronger than Liverpool. No way Bayern accept €30m for him if they don’t see him as surplus to requirements.
He would've left in 2021 for free, if they kept him this year.

This move wasn't about money etc., it simply was about a new challenge in a new league. Bayern and Thiago made that clear. It's also why they respected his wish and let him leave for around €30 million this year (sign of respect for Thiago and at least getting something for him).

As far as his reputation of "playing bad in big games": He certainly played really well in the CL final this year and he's probably the best technician in the Premier League.

This reputation isn't really coming out of nowhere though. Before this CL tournament, he really has been merely "solid" or at times even "invisible" in most big games over the years. There is a reason nobody really talked about him before those Liverpool rumors surfaced and he played lights-out in the CL tournament.
 

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I don't see how United fans are trying to spin this as bad, Milner is 35 and Wijnaldum is leaving, Klopp worded his press conference very well.
I'm not spinning anything mate. Just stating they have more midfielders than City.
Which makes it strange that Pep said we have enough players in that position.
 

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He would've left in 2021 for free, if they kept him this year.

This move wasn't about money etc., it simply was about a new challenge in a new league. Bayern and Thiago made that clear. It's also why they respected his wish and let him leave for around €30 million this year (sign of respect for Thiago and at least getting something for him).

As far as his reputation of "playing bad in big games": He certainly played really well in the CL final this year and he's probably the best technician in the Premier League.

This reputation isn't really coming out of nowhere though. Before this CL tournament, he really has been merely "solid" or at times even "invisible" in most big games over the years. There is a reason nobody really talked about him before those Liverpool rumors surfaced and he played lights-out in the CL tournament.
You don't win what he has won without preforming. He isn't a player who you would pick up on easily, More a Carrick, Modric type, who always seems like he has a life time on the ball and controls a game.
 

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For sure. He's a fantastic player that gives their midfield another dimension.
 

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Imagine if he'd signed for us, instantly that 'Fred & McTominany: Do we need both?' thread would crop us with people demanding we sell them both because y'know, who needs strength in depth?
 

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Thiago is too good to flop.

The only thing that can stop him is his injuries!

it’s horrible to see a player that good in a Liverpool shirt:mad:
 

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Great defensively, incredible technically and one of the best passers in the game. He's imo the best midfielder in the world. (You could make a case for KDB too). He's an incredible player and for his price will be incredible value.

Only potential issues may be the injury concerns, especially coming into a very physical league
 

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All I care about is if he will be playing against Chelsea? 6m is a steal in FPL. Thinking of adding him in right away but I don't think he will even make the squad.
 

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I'm glad he went to Liverpool, who're anyway too far away for Arsenal to catch. Would've hated to see him go to Chelsea or Utd.
 

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Fantastic player BUT this is dangerous game Liverpool are playing.

Liverpool need 3 hardworking midfielders for the sake of balance when Trent and Robertson makes those power runs. With Thiago they will not get protection they usually get and with 3 goal against Leeds, despite 3 hardworking midfielders, there is worrying sign that they are blinded by Thiago class that they don't see that it can actually hurt them as a team. Little bit like Coutinho.
 

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Fantastic player BUT this is dangerous game Liverpool are playing.

Liverpool need 3 hardworking midfielders for the sake of balance when Trent and Robertson makes those power runs. With Thiago they will not get protection they usually get and with 3 goal against Leeds, despite 3 hardworking midfielders, there is worrying sign that they are blinded by Thiago class that they don't see that it can actually hurt them as a team. Little bit like Coutinho.
Or Klopp will simply shift his tactics and rely more heavily on the centre for his attacking moves rather than relying heavily on his full-backs. Instead of both full-backs up the pitch, you push one up and keep the other behind.
 

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Or Klopp will simply shift his tactics and rely more heavily on the centre for his attacking moves rather than relying heavily on his full-backs. Instead of both full-backs up the pitch, you push one up and keep the other behind.
He can, but it is always harder going through the middle. And they would miss the most important part of their success. That is high defending with fullbacks on both sides that turns into dangerous attacking system once they win ball. I actually think they have made the team more unbalanced with this fantastic player. How wierd it might sound.
 

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No way he plays. He hasn't even trained yet.
Id agree but it is telling we rushed the paperwork through to have him registered in time. I doubt he gets on the field but he could be on the bench. Might even get 20 mins.
 

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Or Klopp will simply shift his tactics and rely more heavily on the centre for his attacking moves rather than relying heavily on his full-backs. Instead of both full-backs up the pitch, you push one up and keep the other behind.
Can’t imagine Klopp changing tactics which have been very successful for the sake of one player.
 

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I'm glad he went to Liverpool, who're anyway too far away for Arsenal to catch. Would've hated to see him go to Chelsea or Utd.
If you think you are not far behind Chelsea or United, then you are not too far behind Liverpool either.
 

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He can, but it is always harder going through the middle. And they would miss the most important part of their success. That is high defending with fullbacks on both sides that turns into dangerous attacking system once they win ball. I actually think they have made the team more unbalanced with this fantastic player. How wierd it might sound.
Bayern seems to do a good job of attacking full-backs with high line defending, and with Thiago in the team. We might see Liverpool becoming similar to Bayern.

Can’t imagine Klopp changing tactics which have been very successful for the sake of one player.
It might be necessary to freshen up the squad. Some managers do so after winning seasons. And most teams might become even more defensive against the title-holders.
 

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I put this in the same bracket as:
- Kaka to Madrid
- Benzema to Madrid
- Modric to Madrid
- Halaand to Dortmund
- Hazard to Chelsea

Devastating.
 

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With this and spurs signings the impetus for Woodward is surely now to go and just get Sancho regardless of the cost.
 

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I just dont get the hype. I can bet 12 months ago if there vas a thread on the caf, 5÷ of the posters would mention him in a best midfield. I would be more disapointed if Lpool signed VDB. I dont care about Thiago. We have a better midfield IMO. We lack in depth and confidence. If we add a LB and a RW, and our CB youth step up we are good.
 

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I just dont get the hype. I can bet 12 months ago if there vas a thread on the caf, 5÷ of the posters would mention him in a best midfield.
Probably because he is seldom fit. That will be Liverpool's main concern going into this season.

When injury-free, definitely one of the very best central midfielders in the world. In terms of pure talent, the best Liverpool player alongside Van Dijk and Salah.
 
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With this and spurs signings the impetus for Woodward is surely now to go and just get Sancho regardless of the cost.
Do you really thing spurs signing bale and a left back are a concern to Utd? I’m not saying they aren’t good signings, but I don’t see how it will affect us.
 

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Captain Obvious says

If he can replicate his last year Bayern form, he'll be an instant star.
 

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Do you really thing spurs signing bale and a left back are a concern to Utd? I’m not saying they aren’t good signings, but I don’t see how it will affect us.
I think you're underestimating a team with Bale and Kane up front. That could be a very fruitful partnership.

This is a Thiago thread though, hes a good signing for Liverpool.
 

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With this and spurs signings the impetus for Woodward is surely now to go and just get Sancho regardless of the cost.
Even the most blinkered Spurs fans that I know
despite being delighted at getting Bale back, are all aware that they are not addressing the real problems in the team.
 
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I think you're underestimating a team with Bale and Kane up front. That could be a very fruitful partnership.

This is a Thiago thread though, hes a good signing for Liverpool.
I’m not underestimating anybody. I think both payers are excellent, and I would take both at Utd (if circumstances were right, and ignoring transfer fees and wages...).

Liverpool have signed one player. Spurs have signed two players. Does this suddenly send Utd into meltdown, and Woody into action this is normal business from both Liverpool and spurs - it’s not dramatic, it’s not unexpected, it’s not going to send Utd into a tailspin.
 

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It might be necessary to freshen up the squad. Some managers do so after winning seasons. And most teams might become even more defensive against the title-holders.
They did so also last year, moving their entire back line up a little on the pitch , providing a bit more cover for their defence, and whatever else they tweaked. Given how their campaign completely spluttered out in the second half of last season, I would totally assume further tweaks this year.
 

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If anything, they were lacking some creativity in the middle, which now they have. On the other hand, Thiago could actually slow their fast transitions a bit.
 

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Where the feck is he? Did Everton break his leg or something?