I think Southampton targeted him a bit as someone not that comfortable in possession but he did really well to get the ball moving forward. Good game on the whole and certainly one of his more promising displays on the ball.
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Yeah that was the part I was thinking of, lovely little roll back and just left his marker for dead.
The confidence is flowing and showed exactly why Guardiola wanted him - he'd be ace in this city team currently.
@GifLord any chance of a clip? was fairly late around 2-1/2-2
It was very late. Almost before the third goal.
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He looks much more comfortable having many passing options around (in his range). I wonder why we played Fred on the right though, seemed like he is more natural on the left in a diamond.
Some saying we need an upgrade on this guy like they grow on trees. Not many better at what he does around.
Was thinking of the 2nd, but the 1st is also great. We didn't see much of that from Fred before - really playing with confidence now. That really helped us drive up the pitch quickly and they couldnt get near him.
if he does not do his regularly really bad 1-3 misplaced passes, he is definitely a great player. I would not say, we need an upgrade on him. Fred, Bruno and a DM
100% agree.
The amount of people who will still want Pogba in the team just because of his name. Considering since lockdown he has probably contributed to 4/5 goals against us, yet Fred is the one who puts us under pressure?
At least with Fred, if he loses it you have faith he will go and win it back. With Pogba, he will put his hands up in the air and not do anything.
Fred has to start most games and Pogba should only play when we have Bruno rested or injured.
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I guess the issue is partly what sort of player you want him to be. If you want a midfielder to play with a high level of ambition with regard to creating chances and attacks, that will mean more often going for lower percentage options, which means more turnovers and uncompleted passes. Bruno is a good example, he's got by far the worst stats in both categories among our midfielders. But he also creates most of our scoring chances. If you want him to be Andre Gomes I'm sure he could improve in those departments, but that means more safe lateral and backwards passing.
I don't really think he's playing beyond his means at the moment, all things considered.
A bit bewildered by the recurrence of this issue. Actually, he's got the second best pass completion rate among United midfielders, only Matic is better. Turnovers is more of a problem, only Bruno loses the ball more frequently among our central midfielders.
I guess the issue is partly what sort of player you want him to be. If you want a midfielder to play with a high level of ambition with regard to creating chances and attacks, that will mean more often going for lower percentage options, which means more turnovers and uncompleted passes. Bruno is a good example, he's got by far the worst stats in both categories among our midfielders. But he also creates most of our scoring chances. If you want him to be Andre Gomes I'm sure he could improve in those departments, but that means more safe lateral and backwards passing.
I don't really think he's playing beyond his means at the moment, all things considered.
Fred is a good passer. Shhh pass it on.
They just don't want to admit they were wrong.
It's not about being wrong. I am sure a lot of people were right in slanting him for his poor performances in first season.
Problem is that people are unwilling to accept that he has improved alot. They just bring up one or two misplaced paces to back up their claims when they should actually be looking at the larger picture, they just don't want to change opinions
He's good, I really like what he brings in the middle third. However, I just wish he was able to offer more in the final and defensive thirds.
The real top midfielders have more influence in both defence and attack. Fred is really good at what he does, but to take that next step I think he would have to improve his tackling/tactical awareness, and also add goals and assists to his game.
He's a key part of our squad at the moment, but I think we're lucky Bruno is delivering such numbers at the moment and takes that pressure off our midfield to contribute in those decisive moments. But on a positive note, our midfield is the most competitive it's been in years and we have much more control of games than we have had in previous years. A lot of that is down to him.
The real top midfielders have more influence in both defence and attack. Fred is really good at what he does, but to take that next step I think he would have to improve his tackling/tactical awareness, and also add goals and assists to his game.
He's a key part of our squad at the moment, but I think we're lucky Bruno is delivering such numbers at the moment and takes that pressure off our midfield to contribute in those decisive moments. But on a positive note, our midfield is the most competitive it's been in years and we have much more control of games than we have had in previous years. A lot of that is down to him.
easly one of the best CMs in the league right now
i dont know the stats, tacking etc, but i assume it would confirm that
i dont know the stats, tacking etc, but i assume it would confirm that
People find it hard to understand how important off the ball work is.
It's easy to see when a player is scoring goals regularly or doing the final pass for an assist - that means they're a great player.
It's the same for Kante, nobody would have picked him out originally but somebody smart at Leicester (probably through statistics) spotted him and obviously watched him closer. You can watch a highlight reel of them and see nothing special, but it's what they bring the team that just improves everything 10%.
The thing I love the most about Fred is his stamina, he genuinely never looks tired so he can keep running and pressing hard even when his opponents get tired. While he might not be the cleanest of tacklers the pressure he exerts either allows us a 2-1 advantage or makes them over play and lose the ball.
There's no coincidence that with Fred in midfield we've looked the best for a long time, and probably a key reason to why our away record is so good.
That is true. In fact there is a stat flying around that with Fred in the team, the percentage of winning is increased by 20 percent or something and we have only lost one game (arsenal) when he is playing and that too he was played as a CDM which is not his natural position
And even that was a penalty, not a true loss. (still don't know why they played him at the base of the diamond that game, very odd decision)
But yeah, nobody is saying he's the next Modric but he's a steady work horse who gives us 110% every match, and is improving on the ball. Get a proper playmaker next to him (DVB) and I think we will see the team flourish.
Very right
Um that argument should be like let a CDM play with him so that he can do box to box more which seems to be his strength?
And, we have a player maker playing ahead of them.
He's not really a box to box, he isn't a goal threat and is better holding outside the box ready to sweep up any potential counter attacks.
While he has the stamina to do it I prefer him not getting too ahead of the ball and just keep play recycling like he did against Southampton.
With Van Der Beek playing alongside him, he can be the one that gets up closer to the box (where he's best) and play the quick passes with Fernandes and the others.
I'm not sure the diamond is the answer, I hope we can get some more 4-2-3-1 with Fred and DVB at the base.
I liked how he held off two players in the build-up to the 1st goal, a different player now to the one started under Mourinho.
It’s interesting reading certain posters who suggest Fred is average or not so good.
Watching from afar here in OZ I cannot help but feel I’m watching a different player.
Each and every time I get out of bed in ungodly hours to watch United it just seems to me Fred is outstanding.
I really don’t get the anti Fred sentiment on here.
From my perspective he is just an outstanding player.
Watching from afar here in OZ I cannot help but feel I’m watching a different player.
Each and every time I get out of bed in ungodly hours to watch United it just seems to me Fred is outstanding.
I really don’t get the anti Fred sentiment on here.
From my perspective he is just an outstanding player.
WTF was he at for the free kick - like a saturday night fever dance move sliding behind the wall 
I'd say his perfect partner (and the perfect fit for our team in general) would probably be a deep-lying playmaker. Basically someone like Carrick or a better version of Matic. Someone who is defensive in the sense that they are normally well positioned to stop or at least slow counter attacks, but just as importantly they are playing a big part in controlling the team around and setting the tempo when we have the ball. Put Fred and Bruno next to someone like that and it gives us an incredibly solid combination of defensive and pressing ability while also having the ball-playing ability to control things ourselves. The latter is what we miss when we play McTominay in that role, while Matic improves things in that aspect but still isn't good enough IMO. VDB (and McTominay) could then rotate with any of them depending on form and what we need.
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Thanks for reminding me of that. It was hilarious.WTF was he at for the free kick - like a saturday night fever dance move sliding behind the wall
He does it occasionally, and I'm pretty sure Young used to do it occasionally as well. It's obviously done when they think there's a fair chance the set-piece taker will try to go low under the wall, but the way Fred did it this time was just spectacular.
He’s brilliant at recovering the ball and closing down spaces. He’s tried long range passes in our own half recently which he should never do, as he doesn’t have the skill set for it.
I like his high tempo pressing and love he has an engine and I’d like at least one of our midfielders to have this in their locker.
—————-Fred————Phillips——————
—————————-Bruno—————————
——Grealish———-Martial———rashford.
Mctominay, Cavani, VDB, Dialo, Matic, Greenwood.
I’d be ecstatic if we have this squad of midfielders and attackers by next summer.
Out: Mata, James, Pogba.
In: Phillips, Grealish.
Interchangeable front three.
I like his high tempo pressing and love he has an engine and I’d like at least one of our midfielders to have this in their locker.
—————-Fred————Phillips——————
—————————-Bruno—————————
——Grealish———-Martial———rashford.
Mctominay, Cavani, VDB, Dialo, Matic, Greenwood.
I’d be ecstatic if we have this squad of midfielders and attackers by next summer.
Out: Mata, James, Pogba.
In: Phillips, Grealish.
Interchangeable front three.
My favorite player in the team right now behind Bruno.. he doesn't need to have Pogba passing range to be important to this team. He brings other qualities to the team, mainly a strong desire and ability to win the ball back and is always extremely hard working
Hilarious stuff.Thanks for reminding me of that. It was hilarious.
He does it occasionally, and I'm pretty sure Young used to do it occasionally as well. It's obviously done when they think there's a fair chance the set-piece taker will try to go low under the wall, but the way Fred did it this time was just spectacular.
Man Utd 1:3 PSG
Lucky not to be sent off 1st half, unlucky to be sent off 2nd half. Always a risk when his 2nd touch is a tackle.
Sloppy touch happens far too often
No idea why he stayed on after half time
No idea why he stayed on after half time
Ole is going to get it in the neck for not taking him off, but probably should give Fred some stick for trying to nut someone when there are 500 cameras pointing at you and VAR.
The feck was wrong with him tonight? Too much Weetabix before the game?
Idiot.
Idiot.
Quality control
Are people finally coming round to my opinion now ? I got slated saying he was crap. Well well well. He’s absolutely shocking he’s so sloppy on the ball and is another run round merchant. Get Mo Farah he’s better than Fred. I despise the bloke. Get him out my club now the little goblin.
Fecking crap and I was just saying back in the day he totally won me over and he's absolutely undroppable.
Absolute disaster of a game. The kind of the game you rate 0/10. Unbelievable how Ole let him play all this time even though it was cleared he's going to get sent off. Everyone and his dog saw it coming bar our manager.
Ridiculous.
Absolute disaster of a game. The kind of the game you rate 0/10. Unbelievable how Ole let him play all this time even though it was cleared he's going to get sent off. Everyone and his dog saw it coming bar our manager.
Ridiculous.
That first touch doing wonders again. Gets him into so much trouble
Mediocre at the top level. Could be upgraded.
His passing was a bit better today, more forward passes like DVB had been playing in the role recently.
Thats the good stuff out of the way. Should have been sent off for the head motion towards another player, players get sent off all the time for that. It looks like hes waiting for the ref to turn away and then thinks he can get away with it, does he not realize what VAR is? Anyway, super lucky not to be sent off. Then a few other challenges which might have been a yellow card, and probably were when you combine them. So probably worthy of 1.5 reds on the day.
He reminded me of Rafael when he would get booked in the champions league during a niggly night and there was an air of inevitability that that at some point he was going to dive in and get another card. Ever since the should be red card incident he looked like he would end up getting sent off, so it was pretty crazy for Ole to keep him on at half time. That does seem to suggest Ole didnt trust DVB, Matic or Pogba to come on and be solid (or more solid than someone about to get sent off) which is pretty worrying.
All in all, a bit better on the ball but lost his head and cost us.
Thats the good stuff out of the way. Should have been sent off for the head motion towards another player, players get sent off all the time for that. It looks like hes waiting for the ref to turn away and then thinks he can get away with it, does he not realize what VAR is? Anyway, super lucky not to be sent off. Then a few other challenges which might have been a yellow card, and probably were when you combine them. So probably worthy of 1.5 reds on the day.
He reminded me of Rafael when he would get booked in the champions league during a niggly night and there was an air of inevitability that that at some point he was going to dive in and get another card. Ever since the should be red card incident he looked like he would end up getting sent off, so it was pretty crazy for Ole to keep him on at half time. That does seem to suggest Ole didnt trust DVB, Matic or Pogba to come on and be solid (or more solid than someone about to get sent off) which is pretty worrying.
All in all, a bit better on the ball but lost his head and cost us.
Has two or three good games per season so for some reason expectations for him are set at rock bottom for the rest of the season.
What do other players have to do to receive similar special status?
Not good enough.
What do other players have to do to receive similar special status?
Not good enough.
Idiotic play by Fred throughout the match. The headbutt was unforgivable, and was deserving of a red card and 3 match bad. How we got away with that, no one knows.
after that, it’s poor from both the manager and player. I see lots of people blaming one of the manager and Fred, and using the other as an excuse.
the reality is that both are to blame.
after that, it’s poor from both the manager and player. I see lots of people blaming one of the manager and Fred, and using the other as an excuse.
the reality is that both are to blame.
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