We did the job well enough against PSG and Leipzig - acceptable outcome there on the whole against two strong sides. But we should have dealt summarily with IBB. If we had done that - well, that would have been clear and undeniable progress. As it turned out, our CL campaign was a mixed bag. A mixed back is not progress - we already knew that Ole's United are capable of beating strong opponents. We also knew that beating them means feck all when you stumble against lesser ones.
Solksjaer's press conferenence - City at home
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Ole is the kind of guy that chokes a lead then goes home to celebrate that he was up in the first place. Every press conference is "don't forget we were more shite last year so in a sense we progressed by failing"
True. Shades of...all the other ones (after Fergie).
People will overreact in the extreme to perfectly bland comments. Others will say "he's better off saying nothing", as if that were actually a realistic option.
Nothing remotely controversial about anything he said - he just happens to be a manager struggling to convince large parts of the fan base that he deserves to sit there.
Don't agree. Most of the trouble was coming from Sabitzer spraying the ball freely from midfield. He should have been shut down sooner.
And that’s not me saying the defence weren’t awful too, but it wasn’t all on them.
What do you want him to say? "David has really sucked lately and I'm going to start Henderson."
Changing keepers especially one who has been here so long and been so important to the team takes a bit of time. I have little doubt the Henderson will be number 1 by the end of December. It's a delicate situation and if the change is going to be made you want to get some decent money for DeGea, not ruffle to many feathers, .
I keep waiting for someone to ask him someday if he thinks United need more experienced coaches working with him. We look threadbare there. Carrick and Kieran hardly have any qualifications, and haven't shown to be doing enough to hang our hopes on. Phelan looks like yesterday's man, and a questionable one at that. A set piece coach, and better coaches in general could give Ole a better chance methinks...
Ah OK. I assumed DDG was fit for WHU.
Standard press conference answers really
We were outnumbered in midfield yes but the defence didnt defend correctly for any of those goals. Ole cant just pretend our defenders shouldnt have to do any proper defending.
Just needs to say going out at the group stages is unacceptable for a club like ours.
What made you think he aggravated the injury against PSG?
This. When he took over he was seriously lauded for bringing back the United bravado. After listening to Moyes and Jose always trying to rationalise their failures he was a breath of fresh air. Now his every conference after a defeat is referring to something from the past to show why the defeat wasn't that bad
Somehow shitting the bed after starting with 2 wins and losing 3 of the 4 last group games is an indication of progress.
Lowering the standard at its best.
Lowering the standard at its best.
Twisted his knee making a stretching save low to his left. Left leg stuck in the ground and twisted. Except the previous injury was the right knee. I think it was just a convenient excuse to give Hendo a game.
So Edison has been on Grass what have the others been smoking
He can say "I quit"
You won't get negativity in press conferences, sorry. I know that's what you want, but the club won't moan and compain in public.I’d rather he said nothing than some of the stuff he’s said which isn’t the best way to feelI hate the spinning of crashing out of the CL as any kind of progress.
Unless I have a false memory, I recall that at one stage he appeared to hurt himself and it looked like he might have to go off.
He was able to continue but was then rested for the next league game and Ole said the injury had flared up.
I’m done too elvis, he can fexk off.
People slated Mourinho for his pedigree comments and this fecker wants us to be thankful we’re even playing against sides like Leipzig.
Utterly done, numb.
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I can't understand why he stands by De Gea so much. De Gea has never been a good player under Ole and has probably been the biggest liability during his time in charge here. Be more ruthless Ole.
"I am the smiling face of drastically lowering expectations."
'Defend better from the front' we certainly could but this is a clear deflection from some of the laughable goals we've been conceding. Press more aggressively and in a more organised manner so less chances are given, sure, but we've been calamitous at the back too often. I hope this is being seriously looked at on the training pitch.
Look, I want the man gone but let's look at it objectively. A struggling manager saying a result is unacceptable can be seen as him saying he deserves to lose his job. The vast majority of managers in Ole's position would do what he is doing right now...giving stupid excuses or looking for positives where there are none.
It’s like listening to a North Korean news anchor reporting how everything is fine and dandy whilst the country is sinking in destruction, poverty and financial ruin.
Why does it have to be one extreme or the other? There's a lot of middle ground between "David's a top goalkeeper and rightly on the lists of best GK in Europe" and "David has really sucked lately and I'm going to start Henderson".
It takes zero time to change goalies. One of the all time great GKs (Cech) lost his shirt the moment Courtois returned from loan. Chelsea only conceded 27 goals the season before but there was no hesitation in putting Cech on the bench. Hart was a big success for years at City but there was no 'taking a bit of time' to get rid of him for Bravo, and then there was no hesitation in getting a proper replacement for Bravo the moment they realised he was busted flush. If something isn't working you fix it at the first available opportunity.
This ridiculous dwelling on key decisions only happens at United. There's no room for sentiments if you want to be successful. Clubs with ambitions do things swiftly, that's why they win things. Henderson should have been given the jersey on the opening day and given a full season as no. 1 to show his credentials. If he was up for it, good, we'd be set long term. If not then get a new goalie in the summer to compete with him.
We've wasted a whole CL campaign and 1/4 of the PL season on a keeper we know we can't rely on anymore. Other than a game here and there we've still got no idea what Henderson is made of. The way this is going we will be finding ourselves in a pickle yet again in the summer. De Gea will keep getting worse and we still won't know much about whether Henderson is the right man or not. We will start the season with more questions and fewer answers. All because we love to dwell and couldn't make a swift decision even if our lives depended on it.
I remember the absolute melt down in 2005 when we went out. Fergie was furious the players were silent it was bad, but in hindsight we kept our high standards and kicked on and won the damn thing in 3 seasons!
Responses like this show me we are ok with this standard.
Oh and happy to be playing teams like RBL, a club that was in the 4th teir 10 years ago is a disgrace.
I’m so disillusioned by his management.
Come on, he definitely did not say that
Love how he’s lying too. We didn’t draw with Colchester and beat Partizan 3-0 at home. He’s also trying to make out like we played the first team rather than the reserves in those games (the whole u23 played against Astana away). After my Dyche > Solskjaer comment, I’m going to say this too: Mourinho’s pressers were less disgraceful than Ole’s. Seriously, get him out.
Been calling out his excuse making habit long before his job was in trouble. The act of painting everything as progress or stealth begging for a long term stay after every hiccup didn't just start today. Secondly calling a hiccup unacceptable is in no way advocating for your own sack. That's what Ole did in his interim period and he learnt it from SAF, a trait he was massively praised for back when he still displayed it. Thirdly I'm not sure that the fact that rationalising failures being something managers under pressure tend to do makes it any worthy of sympathy. Making excuses for one's own failures is a common trait of a chronic underperformer, a mentality Ole needs to avoid if he is to be successful here
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Solksjaer? Conferenence?
But seriously, I normally don’t have a go at Ole for his pressers because there really isn’t any better answer he could give. However, this time, I will because for a guy who played here for a dozen years, it seems like a total failure to grasp the size of the club he’s managing.
But seriously, I normally don’t have a go at Ole for his pressers because there really isn’t any better answer he could give. However, this time, I will because for a guy who played here for a dozen years, it seems like a total failure to grasp the size of the club he’s managing.
Honestly wish they would just scrap these press conferences. We are always going to get tired generic answers to show support for the players and keep positivity. Some managers are less composed than Ole and can sometimes say something notewhorty and or a bit funny, but i`m not shure it`s worth it anyway.
Same they are stupid and no answers mean anything, I think Ole should start putting Phelan to do them instead
What a tool! One thing the glazers and woodward have successfully done through him is lower the expectations from the team. Top 4 seems to be our consistent goal now as opposed to Mou being slated even he got us to second.
There is no proof that we will not struggle to beat Astana or Partizan yet. But I can understand as a manager who is mandated to give a press conference, you would need to come up with crazy s**t. Most managers say all good things when things go well. When things go bad, it is usually crazy s**t, in one manner or another.
Even top managers like Klopp and Pep come up with mad reasons for losing games.
So what's more annoying? LVG saying "Philosophy" or Ole "Progress".
Well said.
This is pure Mourinho energy here. Football erritage stuff.
We are out of the Champions League because we couldn't beat Istanbul twice. Istanbul won (1) match in the group stage and it was against us. So no, we are not moving forward. Teams like Istanbul are not the one's that should be the reason why we are out. It's progress to take half the points from 4 matches against PSG and Leipzig, it's not progress to only take 3 points from 6 off of Istanbul.
"close to going through"
We had to get a draw out of Leipzig and we were down 2 goals 20 minutes in. Istanbul should have been 6 points from 6, instead we got 3 points from 6.
Progress isn't needing a penalty against West Brom to not drop points. Progress isn't going down 2-0 to Southampton and then needing a 33 year old striker super sub to make the comeback, Progress is not losing to a terrible Arsenal squad (reminder Arsenal have only won (1) time in their last 7 league games and it was against us)
I want him gone.
Yep, it's in his nature to try and take the positives out of everything. It's more productive than Mourinho's approach, but it's gonna rub a lot of people up the wrong way.
Best to not really pay attention to these things anyway, 99% of the time it's just a charade for the media. The only things worth nothing are injury questions.