Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Are we still first in Bruno table? Can't find the table
As close to 14th than we are to 1st, all the more reason why taking it to Citeh today and playing for the win could've made a big difference.
Sure. And we are going to be relegated.
The feck all trophyThis has to be a joke.
I'm beginning to think that being mediocre is now seen as being acceptable.
We are in 7th place, while former managers (Jose, Moyes) are above us in the league, while using fewer resources than available to Ole.
And for those who are not used to winning trophies, the FA Trophy is not the trophy that winners aim to win.
Dont disagree with much you say.
What I'm saying with the manager in home games being hesitant is because of the shocking start and let's be honest fragile defending all season, I feel him ove compensating the line up and tactics in these 'bigger' games.
Honestly think if we didn't start of bad three spurs in too he defo be more proactive.
To be honest we even feel the same before games. Happened other night against red bull behind in a minute, then you see we best them 5 nil, you see the major issue at times.
Exactly the point. Too early to draw any concrete conclusions. We're still on course for top 4 which is the take away.
....and you think that the Top 4 Trophy is anything to be proud of?
What is the obsession with Top 4?
Guys, let me explain: Top 4 Trophy is nothing to brag about. Winning actual trophies is what counts.
The much ridiculed Arsenal fired their long term manager because he kept winning the Top 4 Trophy and an FA Cup (from time to time).
If we get 4th place, that is abject failure!!!
Im on about the form of the front 3 which has fell off a cliff this season, compared to the lockdown last season. Bruno to a lesser degree.
We ain't winning the league this season if that's what is success for you
Haha. Well said.
And that is on Ole? I mean he can be the one to blame but the same time he's been the reason they were good in the first place or is it they were good players always (yet neither reached the standards until last season under accomplished managers) but ole was the reason they failed suddenly? Surely thats hypocritical?
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So is it win a league with a team who on paper seem like they ain't ready to win league.........or do you think we should win a league?
I'm confused these days because either top 4 is being arsenal and is apparently shit even since we barely managed it since fergie left.
Sounds like spades of emotion as usual from some people.
100% mate. Oh how standards have dropped.
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We have a chance to really establish ourselves if we put our foot down.
Exactly. Our outlook is so insular when we criticise United. Chelsea next set of fixtures looks really nasty as well, especially during a busy period.
We have a chance to really establish ourselves if we put our foot down.
But then youre not taking context into account and pretending we have 2009 standards will kill our progression even more.
No manager would take our side that finished 3rd last year, add VDB, Cavani and Telles and watch our board feck transfers up, and expect us to win the league or its failure. Hell we are even in the title mix as we speak. We havent even had a chance to fail.
Chelsea will probably end this weekend fourth if Leicester win their match. Jumping above them is hardly an achievement ?
Glazers have really messed up the club's standards. Top 4 is only a requirement for the financial benefits. As far as progress and ambition goes it means little and more importantly it doesn't mean more than an actual cup.
Ole needs to win a trophy this season. Moyes won the mickey mouse community shield, LVG can say he improved on that by winning the FA cup, Jose improved on that by winning the league cup and the Europa league. Ole is in danger of being the first manager to win nothing in any of his 3 seasons, not even a minor cup. His returns have most certainly not been the best
Southampton beating Shef United with a Leicester win would push them out of the top four, but I get your point.
Because they look at performances and not just blindly look at results alone.
As I said many times on this thread, look at performances. It's so early in the season (just 11 games), I don't care if we are 2points off 14th or 2 points off top. It means nothing, just look at whether we are seeing more games like Southampton or more games like West Brom - both wins but one was a thumping performance by way of chances, aggression and intent and the other was a drab affair relying on a moment to win a game.
The players talk about winning the league. They think it’s as open as ever. Offensive mindset. Belief.
Yet, if any fans say that they believe we are still in the title race or even have an outside chance of contending, the green smileys, insults and ridicule comes out.
I don’t understand how half of you even bother following this club.
Yet, if any fans say that they believe we are still in the title race or even have an outside chance of contending, the green smileys, insults and ridicule comes out.
I don’t understand how half of you even bother following this club.
It's great to have an offensive mindset - I think the problem is we are starting games too slowly and it's setting the tone generally for the game. We need to stop reacting to games generally, and start minute 0 with the offensive mindset you claim we have.
Against Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and City we've scored one goal (a penalty) and taken 2 points. These games were all at home and we didn't deserve to win any of them. We're meant to be a club that challenges for the biggest trophies. We need to get a top class manager in. I appreciate that Jose and LVG did not work out here, but I don't think that should mean that we should give up on employing a top class manager going forward.
We've got a lot of away games against the big 6 in the second half of the season and I think we'll struggle under Ole.
We've got a lot of away games against the big 6 in the second half of the season and I think we'll struggle under Ole.
I think we played okay today, very well in the first half, even. But to suggest we are not good enough to go for a win against this City side... I'm trying to understand that point of view, but I can't. City? This season's City? The one starting the day in 8th place? Sorry Sults my friend, I don't mean to sound so incredulous, but I'm genuinely baffled. What did City do today that suggested they are a team we can't go out and beat?
Really, really not the point I was making at all.
Hey buddy
I agree City aren't that good at the moment. However, I'm not sure United are much better than City at this point in time.
I know the point you're making - if the players speak openly about a title race, why shouldn't you?
Well do you have quotes that say they can win the league? Can you confirm what their quotes are just so I can understand what they are saying?
I wouldn't rule out most top teams for the PL this season but, if we're going feature amongst them, we need to get our act together now.
As Neville said, and many other fans ,pundits, we're still a team finding its feet and is that really good enough now ?
We're still a moments team. We can be subdued for the majority of the game and then alittle passage of play or a individualist effort and we can grab a victory from the claws of defeat.
But this has been the case with Jose too. We were defensively alittle more sound but we still relied heavily on moments from individuals.
Personally, overall, I still think this is as far as Ole can take us. I think he's having a real hard time in trying to fix this team both mentally and tactically.
He's trying too many different set-ups at a consistent basis, for me. Chopping and changing constantly.
I think if United had any ambition this season , now would be the best time to move Ole on.
As Neville said, and many other fans ,pundits, we're still a team finding its feet and is that really good enough now ?
We're still a moments team. We can be subdued for the majority of the game and then alittle passage of play or a individualist effort and we can grab a victory from the claws of defeat.
But this has been the case with Jose too. We were defensively alittle more sound but we still relied heavily on moments from individuals.
Personally, overall, I still think this is as far as Ole can take us. I think he's having a real hard time in trying to fix this team both mentally and tactically.
He's trying too many different set-ups at a consistent basis, for me. Chopping and changing constantly.
I think if United had any ambition this season , now would be the best time to move Ole on.
We have to win that game in hand for to count for anything and there is no certainty that's going to happen.
More of Southampton?
The point I was making is that some of the fans in this thread are so miserable, negative and borderline spiteful, especially when people try to put a positive spin on the situation, or argue why everything isn’t as bad as it seems/a lot make it out to be.
Are the players also to be answered with “Comical Ali” and “
Clueless” and “deluded, sack him, how far the holy standards have fallen” , “Win the league? You’re having a laugh, we’re as far away from 14th as the top, do you think BAYERN would accept being almost 14th? Huh? HUH?” if they verbally talk about a title challenge? A title challenge in some very weird times that no one has ever been through before? A title challenge we’re actually right in the middle of, after about a third of the season?Here’s some quotes. I hope the miserable brigade have a go at De Gea as well, the clueless has been.
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I don't understand how a manager called the things he's called on this forum came third last season and if we win our game in hand are 3rd this season. Despite so many managers who aren't spoken about with such hate and are said to be better, being behind him.
The mental gymnastics at play are staggering. Beat leipzig 5-0 but 'that was totally unfair result.' lose to leipzig, 'what a fraud, completely out of his depth.' this type of double standard is just so routinely applied by the same posters there's not even a useful discussion happening here most of the time.
It's all very cringeworthy to read.
I'm not a full ole backer, and worry that despite doing a good job maybe he's reached his limit but seriously, some of you need to take a breath and calm down a little before posting sometimes. There's such rage and bitterness and sometimes even hate behind posts. And this is us with 13 points from 15 and 4 off the top. Try to see both sides of an argument, it helps
The mental gymnastics at play are staggering. Beat leipzig 5-0 but 'that was totally unfair result.' lose to leipzig, 'what a fraud, completely out of his depth.' this type of double standard is just so routinely applied by the same posters there's not even a useful discussion happening here most of the time.
It's all very cringeworthy to read.
I'm not a full ole backer, and worry that despite doing a good job maybe he's reached his limit but seriously, some of you need to take a breath and calm down a little before posting sometimes. There's such rage and bitterness and sometimes even hate behind posts. And this is us with 13 points from 15 and 4 off the top. Try to see both sides of an argument, it helps
Good to see you around, hope all is well, Sultan!
I don't think anyone would argue that United are better than City right now. But we are not a lot worse, as one can see from the table, and today City looked very much beatable, as they generally have all season. Therefore, I don't think a draw at home against them is the decent point it would have been in past seasons, and I certainly think we should at least be trying to create chances against them at home. Shame that we didn't go for it in the second half, I felt.
You are looking at two different things.The point I was making is that some of the fans in this thread are so miserable, negative and borderline spiteful, especially when people try to put a positive spin on the situation, or argue why everything isn’t as bad as it seems/a lot make it out to be.
Are the players also to be answered with “Comical Ali” and “
Here’s some quotes. I hope the miserable brigade have a go at De Gea as well, the clueless has been.
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DDG says we can win the league.
The reaction you speak of is when Ole talks and sets us out to play in a defeatist manner, which is basically saying "no chance we can win the league if we play/set out like this".
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For example this quote - suggests we won't win a trophy because of the way he's setting us out. Not because of a lack of potential in the squad itself.
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I got set upon by another caf poster for suggesting this the other day, but I do feel it would be better if people could respond directly to the posters they are referring to, because I generally haven't seen that many of these "Ole out" posters who apparently "hate" the man.
Goalpost dramatics or geneinue hyperbole about our state at the moment?
We need to just stay in the mix until the window opens and hopefully buy a CB or a DM.... Whichever one Ole thinks is needed most. I suspect it will CB.
People need to chill out. Our league form has been good of late and today wasn't a bleeding gimmie was it?
People need to chill out. Our league form has been good of late and today wasn't a bleeding gimmie was it?
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