I would agree with you if it was one even two but for them all to fall off? AWB and Maguire has got worse as well. Is it a coaching issue? That then would be on Ole 2 novice coaches and an has been who got sacked at hull after 3 months of dross.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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What about when Leicester sacked Ranieri literally the season after they won?
Exactly
Why can't we be THIS good at defending every damn match? Friggin' Leipzig netted three but we didn't concede today against City (City!)???
It's not enough just to be bit better than the absolute crap we've been served up post Fergie, though. We're one of the biggest clubs in the world and our ambition needs to match that.
And that takes some doing
yes we are closer to Liverpool than Burnley. And Chelsea, Southampton, Leicester, Everton and West Ham are closer to Liverpool than us. All of these clubs are also in front of City. And West Brom is also closer to Liverpool than Sheffield United.
I remember when Southampton changed managers, from that guy Nigel Adkins, who was a nice guy and doing a decent job at the time, to Pochettino. People were up in arms saying that Adkins was badly treated, the club were doing fine etc... one year later and nobody questioned the decision, because Pochettino had taken Southampton to another level. In hindsight, Adkins was not a PL-level manager and the decision was the right one for the club's long-term interests. I feel a similar dynamic is at work with Ole, where he has done enough to stay in the job and hasn't been a disaster, but maybe we have hit a ceiling with him.
This was almost exactly a year ago:
Yet you’re still in here suggesting people are stupid or kneejerk or laughable for not getting behind him.
Bad decision by owners.
Agreed. Some of them even spend entire summers pretending to be ITK in Transfer forum threads.
City also did the same with Pellegrini and Guardiola.
Do you reckon - and I assure you I am being 200% serious here - that probably Gary Neville hasn’t realised that real life is not a game of Football Manager on the PC? Probably hasn’t realised you can’t just turn it off and on again to wipe the slate clean the poor deluded sod.
Ole in folks are likely huge yes people.
This is very straight forward and simple now and corporate.
Ole clearly isnt good enough, clearly not the one to take us further, clearly wont never work in the PL again most likely, clearly way out of his depth..
But he is a good yes man, a good employee and doesnt cause problems.
The board knows that top managers do tend to cause problems and make demands.
They had that experience with LVG and Mourinho. A top manager does have the leverage of saying up yours, I can go elsewhere.
Ole doesnt have that luxury. He knows that its back to Molde after United.
Its a win win for both Ole and the board.
This is very straight forward and simple now and corporate.
Ole clearly isnt good enough, clearly not the one to take us further, clearly wont never work in the PL again most likely, clearly way out of his depth..
But he is a good yes man, a good employee and doesnt cause problems.
The board knows that top managers do tend to cause problems and make demands.
They had that experience with LVG and Mourinho. A top manager does have the leverage of saying up yours, I can go elsewhere.
Ole doesnt have that luxury. He knows that its back to Molde after United.
Its a win win for both Ole and the board.
To be fair, Neville talks shit so may not be as clear cut as you think. He can't reply to a question without throwing in some stat/comment to emphasise instead of making a plain simple reply.
Today, he was talking about Pep and he said 'we're talking about possibly the greatest manager of all time'. I was hoping Keane would throw something at him
All the Ole in should read this. No one hates him or wishes any harm. I supported him myself until this season and would have loved him to have been the right manager to lead us back to the top of the tree. What would have been better than to have an old player like Dalgleish and Kendal did for the scousers. Unfortunately I can see that this isnt going to happen. We have too many players regressing all at the same time for it to be anything other than bad coaching. We have relied too much on Bruno to bail us out and when he doesnt perform to the standard he did during the end of last season, we are shit. We can win the league if the owners are proactive now and get in a proven manager at this level and let him have some coaches also at this level. We shouldnt be an experiment with a poor manager and novice coaches and an has been.
One of the problems of our situation is I kind of feel Solskjaer himself is going into matches thinking about what he needs in order to survive them.
Speak for yourself I hate him. But it’s not personal I’ve hated everyone in that hot seat after Fergie.
Yep. Problem is we're not an active club, we're a reactive club. We only sack managers when we reach the 'no choice stage'. We're unable to look in depth at football issues. Just stuff like 'did we qualify to the CL or not'.
I thought we were decent today and played a lot more better than I thought we would. We changed our corner routine and got near post corners and that troubled City. We had three scoring opportunities from corners today and if any of them had hit the target it would have been a goal.
What disappointed me was Greenwood and to a lesser extent Rashford. With Rashford he tries hard. A good example is when he took on Stones and another defender on our left and they eventually passed it back to the keeper. Greenwood was just jogging. The only option for them was to pass it to the keeper yet Greenwood did not cover that possibility. To make matters worse it was left to Bruno to close the keeper down eventually and then also to sprint back to cover the outfield player too.
What disappointed me was Greenwood and to a lesser extent Rashford. With Rashford he tries hard. A good example is when he took on Stones and another defender on our left and they eventually passed it back to the keeper. Greenwood was just jogging. The only option for them was to pass it to the keeper yet Greenwood did not cover that possibility. To make matters worse it was left to Bruno to close the keeper down eventually and then also to sprint back to cover the outfield player too.
Maybe, but the poster I replied to spent two pages comparing Ole to SAF and Klopp.
Finally a great post. You don’t have to be a full Ole backer but the amount of insufferable supporters we have at the moment makes most anything a difficult read on here.
I was comparing time. Not quality. Giving example that even big managers needed time to win something.
The players say a lot of things, actually fulfilling them is the part that they've failed to achieve repeatedly.
Like most (all?) threads, the posts go to one extreme or the other.. no shade of grey.
Ronaldo's miles better than Messi... Messi's miles better than Ronaldo.
Ole's great... Ole's shit.
Ole clearly has faults but he's done some good things too. That won't wash though after this season... he needs to win a trophy or have a VERY good league finish (1st, 2nd, 3rd, not too much of a points gap), else he's gone.
I just hope that he picks the right team (on form, not name) and gets them to put 100% in every game, from second 1. If he does/they do that and it's not good enough then he goes but at least he'll know he gave it a good go... right now, I think he's not making some tough decisions and giving the media/posters easy objections.
They're all full of the proverbial, coaching staff included. Any talk is only about self preservation nowadays.
Thats United fan opinion not the board. If the board are so keen on winning titles they would have done more in the summer window. They re happy if Ole keep us in top 4 that is the harsh reality.
To think this is the same fanbase who absolutely went livid seeing Jose did it against Liverpool away. At least Jose parked proper bus not giving chances away and lethal at counter. He never talked about United way either.I thought we sacked Jose Mourinho?
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City aren't a mediocre side, they played averagely today (and we played ok).... there's a difference.
If Ole had gone for it (and personally I would have today) and lost, you'd have gone mental at Ole, any posters supporting him, probably laid into Maguire like usual (I thought he was our best player today) and maybe called the manager "Wole" again. Hilarious.... because it sounds like Wally yeah?
Ironic that you hammer on about any Ole in posters for repeating the same arguments all the time when you do the same thing (in reverse) about Ole and Maguire.
There are plenty of fans who think Ole isn't the right manager (I'm not sure he is) but not many who take such glee in it... 'Wole", "useless", "moron". Why not be constructive and leave that to rival fans.
Oh shit, just one more page to go!
I just want to read to your comment back then after 0-0 draw against Liverpool away during Jose Mourinho's 2nd season
Morale seems different in that Leipzig game than this time.
Here, our players really stepped up, in that game they clearly didn't except the last ~15 mins. Definitely because of Pog-Raiola comments.
Indeed, come on guys!Oh shit, just one more page to go!
About a year and 2+ months to get 1000 milestone.
The difference being United is so inconsistent that we could beat PSG away and losing to Wealdstone FC in the next match.
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I understand that but you are still under the illusion that Ole is a big manager. I just don't see it and that will be glaringly obvious when he does depart United. Its unfortunate but that's the way it is. Time in a top management job depends on results and success in all competitions. This huge club cannot wait on Ole to improve as a manager. We need someone at their pinnacle or someone ready to step up to the next level. Ole is hanging from that level by his fingernails. I hate to say it but it is all very Moyes like and I can see him meeting the same fate and having a similar career post United.
We are a reactive team and club. Never on the front foot in anything we do.
It’s a shame you couldn’t see the sarcasm in my post.
by the way, calling people dumb doesn’t make you smart
Surely this is a joke?
This is the best performance we've had against City apparently.
Is he losing the plot with this grandiose delusions?
More and more accepting low standards.
This is the best performance we've had against City apparently.
Is he losing the plot with this grandiose delusions?
More and more accepting low standards.
I won't even watch it but if the quote is accurate god save us all.
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