That's the worst part.
Even now when everyone is struggling, we're still part of the chasing pack. We're not holding him to anything besides squeaking top 4.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Even now when everyone is struggling, we're still part of the chasing pack. We're not holding him to anything besides squeaking top 4.
Huh, not completely true. If Ole by some miracle wins something, i am fecked here. Or we hire Poch and he fails miserably.
That much is very obvious.
If your expectations of our manager who has had less time, less money and started from a position further behind rival managers is to beat them easily over this season in which we had no preseason... you are asking a lot.
I believe the average football fan knows little about tactics, but probably even less about what it takes to navigate a squad of players through a full season. Even a regular schedule is tough. This season is condensed even more. We are going to see matches from all teams where they lack that intensity. In some matches it might even be by design.
Ole will probably be looking at this weekend as a successful one. A tough fixture out of the way. We lost ground on nobody. Gained ground on some. No injuries. In context its a decent outcome
Hey, I already wrote my expectations here:
Almost all of the managers we'll be facing will have less resources than Ole, so these are not unrealistic expectations. And they are certainly not asking a lot; otherwise, what's his business here if that is too hard for him?
Far from fecked. Its just a chat forum. Who gives a shitHuh, not completely true. If Ole by some miracle wins something, i am fecked here. Or we hire Poch and he fails miserably.
One more evidence. Keep up the good work.
Dortmund sacked Favre just 11 games into the season.. meanwhile Ole..
Ole has raised the bar so much that he's now being held to higher standards than Guardiola, Klopp, Mourinho and Lampard.
It's refreshing to see United finally being in a place where the people have raised their expectations to such a level. We're on 20 points after 11 games, compared to 13 points at the same stage last season. The fact there's still criticism shows how well we're doing in our rebuild.
It's refreshing to see United finally being in a place where the people have raised their expectations to such a level. We're on 20 points after 11 games, compared to 13 points at the same stage last season. The fact there's still criticism shows how well we're doing in our rebuild.
You know what i mean. Ha ha.
I hate this thread. We are spinning around with same pros and cons for two years now.
Reality is that he will be our manager for the rest of the season and if we finish 4th, he will stay and if he fails, he will be fired and we will hire Allegri or Poch if they will be still free. If one of them go to PSG, we will hire Tuchel.
@Wumminator , would you have been backing Jose (in an alternative universe where Jose took over in exactly the same conditions as Ole) if he was performing exactly as Ole has? Out of the CL. No ambition to win the big games.
Are you saying that no manager is performing better than Ole? In that were the case, 20 points whilst being the best performing manager in the league and sitting 8th in the league table would be pretty poor.
I think its about time we just all sit back and see what happens. I'd actually say Ole has the perfect opportunity to win the PL. I think we've been shite all season but if hes got another gear in him, then we can win it this year. Never will there be a better chance.
I get what you are saying. However this post clearly feels like it has tried to antagonise others. Try and avoid posting in this manner. Let’s raise the discourse of the forum rather than contributing to the lack of effort in posts.
What ambition and expectation look like.
They also dont have owners hoodwinking the gullible portion of the fanbase into accepting falling into obscurity by pandering to their nostalgia and sentimentalism.
Weird hypothetical since Jose always went for the "not lose" approach in big games..
The difference between Ole and others in the league is negligible. You bring up 8th in the league but you would also surely agree that City are one of the favourites for the league.
Yes. Obviously.
I don't know what you want to say with it.
Should we send congratulations to Dortmund for winning Champions League, Bundesliga and German Cup because sacking manager wins you everything?
Discarding Jose as Ole was hired to be an upgrade on him. Otherwise what's the point.
Who was the manager that got us 13 points from first 11 last year. Did anyone of Klopp, Pep or Lampard fail to qualify from their CL groups.
A lot of the talk on this forum comes from hypotheticals. Who the feck knows if Dortmund sacking their manager will be a good decision? Only Nostradamus’ on the forum who use it as a stick to beat our club with.
Jose had lost the players. The situation was untenable which was why they brought him in as caretaker.
Don't you get bored typing this kind of stuff? Its been said and countered a million times.
Don’t start me on Pep, what a fraud. The Stones signing is every bit as bad as Maguire.
To an extent you are dealing in ifs. If the ref didn't have a shocker against palace, if our finishing wasn't shocking against PSG, if we scored more against Leipzig, if Martial didn't get sent off but they're things that have passed and we'll never know one way or the other. In a normal season these things even themselves out but this being one of the strangest seasons of all time I'm not too sure they will.
20 points in 11 games really isn't something to shout about but as no team has kicked on we're still within touching distance. Out of those 11 games there's probably been only one where we fully deserved the 3 points and didn't have our backs against the wall and that was against Everton. I asked before how sustainable can that be over a season and the question still stands.
After 2 years in charge and spending hundreds of millions we're still not anywhere near a consistent team and that for me is worrying. Yeah we played some good football last season after the covid break, most notably against Brighton, Bournemouth and Villa but a lot of the other performances were a lot like we're seeing this season which makes me wonder exactly how far we've really pushed on.
I agree in theory but it really depends on who they replace him with.
Loads of people, maybe not the phrase "world class" is thrown around that much, but us having a great squad and Ole under performing with them is THE stick people use to bash him with. If his signings have been "meh" or average than by extension the squad as a whole must be pretty average as well
For the sake of comparison, these numbers are from last season
| Maguire | Lindelof | |
| Blocks | 22 | 16 |
| Interceptions | 72 | 26 |
| Tackles | 37 | 29 |
| Successful tackles | 23 | 15 |
| Clearances | 157 | 122 |
| Headed clearances | 94 | 58 |
| Aerial battles won | 176 | 96 |
| AWB (35 apps) | Shaw (24 apps) | |
| Assists | 4 | 0 |
| Blocks | 13 | 6 |
| Interceptions | 66 | 24 |
| Tackles | 129 | 34 |
| Successful tackles | 80 | 18 |
| Clearances | 58 | 51 |
| Headed clearances | 26 | 30 |
I dont think i need to bring up Bruno's stats, they speak for themselves. Maguire is the best CB at the club, AWB is the best fullback and Bruno is no contest the best player. James is shit, but he was cheap.
So if the signings were "meh", then it means the quality of the other players are worse than "meh" and "meh" quality players dont win you anything
People who wants Solskjaer sacked have clearly seen that just by sacking Solskjaer we will win league and cups where our next manager will win every game.
Some of them are giving standing ovations to Dortmund for sacking their manager and showing how things shuld be done. So I expect Dortmund to win every game from this moment in every competition. Thats what we are being "told".
No one has suggested that in any way. What has been suggested that another manager will potentially give us a better chance at winning things.
Then you have missed those posts about how league is sh*t and we are only a class manager (like Poch) from winning it.
It's plausible that with a better manager that we could win the league with other teams being inconsistent no?
Bringing in another manager doesn't mean that things are automatically going to be rosy. It just means that things aren't currently working out with the current manager, so a different route or way of doing things needs to be explored.
The timing of when a change comes in is crucial. Things are quite tight in the league at the moment, so a new manager coming in right now could really tip things in our favour. The easiest thing for everyone would be for the team to start performing on a consistent basis, with the players enjoying the football, the results coming in, and with Ole making good calls with lineups, tactics, changes and man-management. If all of those things are good, then nobody needs to get replaced. But, I do feel that something has to change, so whether Ole really takes it up a notch and tries something different with the way he does things, or the way he motivates players, or something, one of those things has to be altered. The league position shows that we're not very far away, but the performances (imo) have been very inconsistent.
I have no idea why are you bringing up Bruno. No one said anything about him.
Maguire might be the best CB at the club but that just shows how clueless we are or how poor we have been. The same stats is probably achievable with Smalling and Young as well. These stats count for nothing if it doesn't get us points on board. This 130m shipped 2 school boy mistake goals last Wednesday dumping out of CL.
Don't even get me started on AWBs ability on ball.
Is there better managers then Solskjaer? Yes.
Is it a guraantee for that manager to be better than Solskjaer? No.
So as long as we are taking steps forward we should stand by our team.
I just hope that people here can celebrate winning league soon.
Then we agree.
Weren't you the one wanting Jose sacked when we were second in the league in the later part of 2017 (the season we finished in 2nd)?
I remember when Watford did the first of their sackings last season. I was told on here it was showing us how we should be run and the 'ambition' they had. I argued it would have very little effect...
I was wrong actually, it got worse.
For some reason I was sure it was you, hence my surprise of you backing Ole in a much worse condition than Jose's second season. Sorry for the confusion.
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