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If asked he will say he can't trust any of his other players and point towards recent disappointing results when he rotated.Self destruct button ?
It's the beginning of the end in the book of Jose.
If asked he will say he can't trust any of his other players and point towards recent disappointing results when he rotated.Self destruct button ?
What do you base this on?There’s no chance Spurs are winning the league. Not sure why some pundits think they can. Their aim should be top 4 which is going to be a challenge in itself, and I’m not sure they’ll have enough to beat Chelsea, City, Liverpool and Utd to the top 4.
They will lose more games but so will others competing for the top 4 like we’ve already seen with ourselves, City and Chelsea. It’s just going to be a case of who can manage the mental fixtures schedule while maintaining some level of consistency.
The biggest problem Jose is going to have is getting fans to buy in to absolute crap football with the hope it’ll get them top 4.
Opinion and thoughts.What do you base this on?
lonelyI sincerely hope we win at least the league cup this season... Jose has beaten at City and United already once this season.
We can place it next to the Audi Cup in the trophy cabinet...
I hated having Jose at United, and I'm delighted he's gone, but I actually feel like his management of Alli is correct; from what I've seen, he's the kind of person that needs a keep up the arse to succeed, and can take itThrowing his players under a bus again. He's either parking the bus or throwing his players under the bus.
Jose Mourinho on Dele Alli: "Yes, for me a player that plays in that position is a player that has to link and create and not to create problems for his own team"
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...-stoke-creates-problems-own-team-b463640.html
loves buses, Jose. NqatThrowing his players under a bus again. He's either parking the bus or throwing his players under the bus.
Jose Mourinho on Dele Alli: "Yes, for me a player that plays in that position is a player that has to link and create and not to create problems for his own team"
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...-stoke-creates-problems-own-team-b463640.html
Self fulfilling prophecy, every situation seems like a nail if you're a hammer.Throwing his players under a bus again.
-maybe-. But continually attacking the guy in the media is just going to make Dele feel (rightly) victimised.I hated having Jose at United, and I'm delighted he's gone, but I actually feel like his management of Alli is correct; from what I've seen, he's the kind of person that needs a keep up the arse to succeed, and can take it
Is there any thing to say it's working? Or is it too soon to say?I hated having Jose at United, and I'm delighted he's gone, but I actually feel like his management of Alli is correct; from what I've seen, he's the kind of person that needs a keep up the arse to succeed, and can take it
He played brilliantly under Spurs’ previous manager, one of the best players in the league. What evidence do we have that Mourinho’s management of him is correct? Surely the exact opposite is more likely?I hated having Jose at United, and I'm delighted he's gone, but I actually feel like his management of Alli is correct; from what I've seen, he's the kind of person that needs a keep up the arse to succeed, and can take it
Oh yeah, I'm not trying to defend Mourinho as a good manager - I'm just saying this is the kind of treatment a temperamental, seemingly (again, we don't know them) lazy player would need. Beckham and Ferguson were as far ahead of Alli and Mourinho as Newton and Darwin were ahead of those writing the media narrative.-maybe-. But continually attacking the guy in the media is just going to make Dele feel (rightly) victimised.
I personally think it's a dangerous road to go down. The only times I'd argue I ever saw it working was with David Beckham, but that was partly his incredibly strong mentality and partly Alex Ferguson's untouchable status - Mourinho is no longer untouchable and it doesn't seem like Dele Alli is responding to all this nonsense.
I honestly couldn't say, I'm not following Spurs closely; @balaks or @InLevyITrust seem great shouts for an honest take. If Mourinho's tenure ends without Jose ever getting more out of Alli I wouldn't put it 100% down to Mourinho, though (and I say this as someone who, again, hated having Mourinho here and is delighted he and his football and blame-game is gone)Is there any thing to say it's working? Or is it too soon to say?
Feels unnecessary but I don't follow Allis trajectory
I'm not disagreeing, I'd just say that, even though I'm someone who dislikes Mourinho's management, I think his treatment of Alli is the best way to try to eke the most out of him (now I could be completely wrong too, and that's why I'm an armchair pundit!)He played brilliantly under Spurs’ previous manager, one of the best players in the league. What evidence do we have that Mourinho’s management of him is correct? Surely the exact opposite is more likely?
from the outside, it doesn’t look like it working. Unless it’s to lower expectations for him, and so fans will be happy when he’s sold.Is there any thing to say it's working? Or is it too soon to say?
Feels unnecessary but I don't follow Allis trajectory
True, only Liverpool have or are starting to pull away but even then it's not by much. We could end the week in fifth of sixth ourselves.I agree on the above but then you have to add in the Porto & Inter spells which were phenomenal. His first Chelsea team is still one of the great PL teams as well in fairness and he was the first coach to really use the 433 in the PL consistently, which still is seen a lot today. It's a bit like Conte coming in and introducing the back 5 or Klopp showing how successful pressing can be for 90mins (remember when he arrived literally everyone said you can't do it for a whole season), the best managers leave a bit of a legacy. In his prime he was innovative and brought a lot of new ideas, the issue is football is ever changing and so his style, especially the way he sets Spurs up, seems so backwards when you think of the attacking players they have.
That said, in the same way fans shouldn't get too cocky about their teams doing well given how tight the league is, there is a long way to go and Spurs have a nice run of winnable games now so I'd expect them to still be around the top four until the season's end.
Performances aside, by going public Mourinho is actually devaluing the value of the player in the transfer market. I'm sure Daniel Levy will not be too happy to see an England international player worth at least 50 Million just last season now being openly criticised and talked about sending him out on loan deals.He played brilliantly under Spurs’ previous manager, one of the best players in the league. What evidence do we have that Mourinho’s management of him is correct? Surely the exact opposite is more likely?
it’s typical Jose.Performances aside, by going public Mourinho is actually devaluing the value of the player in the transfer market. I'm sure Daniel Levy will not be too happy to see an England international player worth at least 50 Million just last season now being openly criticised and talked about sending him out on loan deals.
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Nope Alli is done sadly.from the outside, it doesn’t look like it working. Unless it’s to lower expectations for him, and so fans will be happy when he’s sold.
Do Spurs fans consider he has a future at the club now? Looks bleak for him.
Strange thing for him to forget when he was literally part of the first team squad.He really likes to make stories better than they were
Delusions of grandeur. Mou, you had your hayday. You are done at this level. Insulting Man Utd? Why? Especially when cameras are rolling and you know they are.
At his peak, José was very savvy in moving to the right clubs at the right time to pick up league titles. Even at Inter, who were champions the previous two years before he arrived.Can see them winning the League Cup and the media fawning over Mourinho again. He has a habit of winning diddy trophies that nobody else really cares about which sees him hailed as a “winner”.
Two league titles and not coming close to a CL in over a decade is a pretty poor return for a manager with his reputation spending that amount of money with those squads.
Absolutely the opposite. in inter he was a guaranteed champion but inter were no one in Europe.At his peak, José was very savvy in moving to the right clubs at the right time to pick up league titles. Even at Inter, who were champions the previous two years before he arrived.
You can’t bring up his Chelsea move. With that budget most top managers would win. He really should have won a UCL with that 1st Chelsea side.Absolutely the opposite. in inter he was a guaranteed champion but inter were no one in Europe.
Then he went to Real to face super Barça, it was an incredibly challenging job.
Then Chelsea that were not close to competing for the league.
Then Man Utd that were even worse.
Then Spurs that had been improving but far from Liverpool and City.
So no, he doesn't chase easy titles at all, he chooses jobs far from easy and with few guarantees since he left Inter (and in inter it was only internally).
Was a poor refereeing decision from making the final. Not saying Chelsea would have beaten MilanYou can’t bring up his Chelsea move. With that budget most top managers would win. He really should have won a UCL with that 1st UCL side.
Thought he was very close to winning CL in 2012, lost to Bayern only on penalties in semis. But yeah, since then his teams were rubbish in Champions league, don't think he'll win it ever again.Can see them winning the League Cup and the media fawning over Mourinho again. He has a habit of winning diddy trophies that nobody else really cares about which sees him hailed as a “winner”.
Two league titles and not coming close to a CL in over a decade is a pretty poor return for a manager with his reputation spending that amount of money with those squads.
The same diddy trophies people use as a stick to beat Poch with?Can see them winning the League Cup and the media fawning over Mourinho again. He has a habit of winning diddy trophies that nobody else really cares about which sees him hailed as a “winner”.
Two league titles and not coming close to a CL in over a decade is a pretty poor return for a manager with his reputation spending that amount of money with those squads.
Pretty much, yeah.The same diddy trophies people use as a stick to beat Poch with?
I didn't mention his first chelsea stint because you said at his peak, which I guess in reputation starts really when he is champion with that chelsea team.You can’t bring up his Chelsea move. With that budget most top managers would win. He really should have won a UCL with that 1st Chelsea side.
If you mean 2005, it was either a goal or red plus penalty for Cech for the foul on BarosWas a poor refereeing decision from making the final. Not saying Chelsea would have beaten Milan
At his 2nd Chelsea stint, who were the teams better?I didn't mention his first chelsea stint because you said at his peak, which I guess in reputation starts really when he is champion with that chelsea team.
The Chelsea I referenced was his second stint - and like I said in Real he had a very challenging job.
So his "easy" moves were maybe 1st Chelsea stint (it was still up in the air, chelsea was growing but the invincibles were champions) and the league titles with Inter (just the internal titles, in europe was nope).
Even in Porto he got there mid season when Porto was struggling to reach 3rd place (which he guaranteed).
What exactly was challenging about his 2nd stint? He had one of the best squads on the planet while United and Arsenal were going through transitions and Liverpool were stinking up the place under Hodgson.I didn't mention his first chelsea stint because you said at his peak, which I guess in reputation starts really when he is champion with that chelsea team.
The Chelsea I referenced was his second stint - and like I said in Real he had a very challenging job.
So his "easy" moves were maybe 1st Chelsea stint (it was still up in the air, chelsea was growing but the invincibles were champions) and the league titles with Inter (just the internal titles, in europe was nope).
Even in Porto he got there mid season when Porto was struggling to reach 3rd place (which he guaranteed).
Which poor refereeing decisions? If it was the Luis Garcia goal, that could have easily been a penalty and a red card in the opening minutes. Instead، the referee decided to forgo sending off Cech and gave Chelsea a fighting chance.Was a poor refereeing decision from making the final. Not saying Chelsea would have beaten Milan
Another example: The sent-off for Balotelli was in the 60th minute.Strange thing for him to forget when he was literally part of the first team squad.
Eto’o also started that game.Another example: The sent-off for Balotelli was in the 60th minute.