Because we pay the officials. Fancy challenging us with such handicap ?
Rival managers complaining about our penalties
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I think opposition fans who don't watch all our games will be going off the media's reporting of incident's like the last minute VAR win versus PSG, WBA game, scoring at Brighton after the final whistle with VAR...we've definitely had a high profile VAR interventions but I don't think there have been any shocking calls.
PL is so tight this year, there's 4 points between 1st and 7th and any advantage is worth fighting for. I'm pleased Mou is still in touching distance as he won't be able to hold that barbed tongue back for much longer, Klopp seems hugely stressed, Pep needs another loss to get that head scratching going again and we might actually see a Keegan.
PL is so tight this year, there's 4 points between 1st and 7th and any advantage is worth fighting for. I'm pleased Mou is still in touching distance as he won't be able to hold that barbed tongue back for much longer, Klopp seems hugely stressed, Pep needs another loss to get that head scratching going again and we might actually see a Keegan.
Come on, we had a few dodgy ones here and there, but we forced our own luck and it's quite satisfyingly seeing the fecking scousers cry about it, haha.
VAR just creates more really. Not sure why Liverpool aren't benefiting more. I can remember Salah going down when he was barely touched but can't recall who it was against or whether it was this season or last, Mane v Leicester was certainly last season and a crucial one in getting that early lead established and was very very debatable.
You've also had two on opening day v Leeds and one v Man. City which got you some crucial points so not quite a famine.
So of our 6, 2 were for hand balls, 1 was given by VAR after the ref missed it (we missed that one anyway) which leaves only 3 which were given by the on-field ref for actual fouls (2 on Martial and 1 on Pogba)
Unprecedented
In a way, we have. I remember about seven or eight years ago, various Liverpool personalities began complaining hysterically about referees favoring us, without any statistics or examples to really back it up. They made it into an actual, literal campaign. Lo and behold, we then went something like seven months without a penalty, when we could easily have had half a dozen in that time. The refs were simply not giving us calls, because the football press is dominated in large part by former Liverpool people and they decided to put pressure on the refs. It's a real thing, and it has worked for them before.
No one's talking famine, just parity. I'll check the Leicester ones. I'm sure the managers will want them investigated too since their players are in the penalty area even less.
How many have United all season in all comps? The Greenwood one in Germany was pretty ludicrous though and almost turned the game. I don't think it's been an injustice that people are making it out to be and also Lamela should have been sent off if Martial's was a red. Leicester peno count is higher and no one is complaining in their direction
Can’t wait for klopp to start crying about Leicester
11 total. 6 in the PL, 4 in the CL and 1 in the League Cup.
Not sure about rival managers, but feel Fernandes plays a part with rival fans. There's just something about the man and the way he takes penalties.
Liverpool would get more penalties if they would stop spamming crosses in the box constantly.
Klopp is starting down a road he doesn’t want to see the end of.
How do you pronounce “fachts” in German? I think I’ll find out in a couple of weeks...........
How do you pronounce “fachts” in German? I think I’ll find out in a couple of weeks...........
Couple of years ago people were doing the same about City.
You spend time running behind defenders at pace, you get peno's, others don't like it. Really is that simple. Liverpool last season, United this, City 3 years ago with Sane and Sterling on the wings. Fast players getting behind slower defenders is a recipe for many peno's. It goes in phases, right not United are being given a lot of the 50/50's and Liverpool aren't. Last year it was vice versa. Its nothing intentional or nefarious just the way the chips are falling.
Last season (2019/20) Man Utd got 14 penalties and Liverpool 5, according to TransferMarkt.
It felt like there wasn't a penalty awarded to Utd for about 5 years. There's been a few dubious ones in the last season or so, but the vast majority as far as I remember were valid.
But let's be honest, if any other side were getting the amount of penalties and were second in the league. Every Utd fan would be saying the same as what these guys are saying.
But let's be honest, if any other side were getting the amount of penalties and were second in the league. Every Utd fan would be saying the same as what these guys are saying.
Jesus thats mad, it felt like they were getting late peno's every 2 weeks. My apologies to Liverpool.
The saltiness has filtered its way through from supporters to managers. It's a lazy narrative.
This season, United have been awarded 6 pens and Liverpool 5.
And if you've watched City this season, it makes perfect sense that they have significantly fewer. They have been toothless far too often - lots of possession nowhere near the opposition's box. Listen to the commentary on the Chelsea game - they talk constantly about how the penetration and goal threat is much more like 'the real City', and has been missing for much of the season so far. It's not unlike the way we played under LVG the season we weren't awarded a single penalty.
United this season, on the other hand, are very quick to get the ball into the box. Ironically one of our weaknesses, particularly lately, has been that we sometimes play too much intricate stuff in the opposition box before we finally shoot, trying to walk it into the net, as the saying goes.. But it's inevitable that it leads to a healthy number of penalties.
How do you explain that there is so little complaint about Leicester's 10 penalties, by the way?
Who do you suggests conducts this penalty giving investigation? The Met have spent millions trying to solve the Madeleine McCann case. Do you think they might be able to open an incident room and run with this one?
How can anyone complain? Every single 1 is scrutinised by VAR. I understand prior to VAR, but it’s not relevant now. It’s not a snap decision that can be influenced by the crowd, players or mangers! Maybe they need to accept their loses n stop trying to switch the focus...
it’s weird as feckwhat a great post.
every team should get parity in this Klopp era.Let’s take away the CL and the league wins and give it to Burnley for parity sake.
We've been fecked over by some ridiculous decisions this season such as the Lindelof handball against Palace and the Martial/Lamela incident.
Especially if half of those crosses didn't sail harmlessly over the box more often than not. What the hell happened to TAA's right foot?
Leicester City have had 10 penalties in the Premier League this season... Vardy has scored 6 out of 7 pens.. Youri Tielemans has scored 2 out of 2... Kelechi Iheanacho has scored 0 out of 1..
The thing nobody is talking about is that we’ve had fewer penalties than we should have had. Pogba, Martial, and Rashford, have all been brought down in the box and been denied a penalty. There’s no argument, VAR is here to correct it, so I don’t even know where the argument is coming from. But there’s always been this bs narrative that we get loads of penalties, and statistically it was never true. Liverpool always had more of them than us back in the early 2000’s, but people only talked about the ones we got.
Nevermind the fact that attacking teams will naturally tend to get more. This is a clear attempt to influence referees and honestly the FA or Premier League need to start having a word about it.
Nevermind the fact that attacking teams will naturally tend to get more. This is a clear attempt to influence referees and honestly the FA or Premier League need to start having a word about it.
Fixed it for you
I'm not saying they're all rational complains, just that it's galling to see a rival get so many decisions go their way. Surely you would agree that on at least some of those decisions it's been borderline and we've had the rub of the green. Again, nothing wrong with that, but I think we've sometimes been fortunate.
When half of these Liverpool fans gets their opinion by reading Tomkins articles and tweets, it's not surprising that they complain about it and make it sound as if everyone is trying to stop mighty Pool.
The thing is that if a truly neutral judge (ie. many Utd fans are biased towards us while many rival fans are biased against us) went over our penalties last season, it's fairly obvious that we were wrongly given two penalties. James against Norwich and Bruno against Villa, both of which are absolutely fine to complain about. But all our other penalties were fine. We also had one absolutely blatant penalty not given our way (Fred against City where he was ridiculously given a yellow card for diving when there was big contact) so we were the grand total of +1 over the course of the season. Hardly enough to warrant the ridiculous amount of attention that it has received. And that's not even including quite a few others that probably 'should' have been given but I'm not going to include them as they weren't 100% guaranteed.
Just in the most recent game there was another incident that we probably should got another penalty and the opposition player sent off when he went in elbow first and got Pogba in the face while being nowhere near the ball. Yet all the attention seems to be on the penalty we later won that was quite obviously correct. Makes me wonder if anyone complaining about it has ever played physical sport before. The contact the defender made on him is literally a tackling technique in rugby league and union called an ankle tap - when an opposition player is running away from you you tap their back leg over so it hits their other leg and trips them over. Yet according to these 'experts' it was nothing and Pogba dived.
The defender didn't mean to make that contact but that doesn't mean anything, knocking over a player accidently through clumsiness is just as much of a foul as doing it deliberately.You say it's not because we dribble in the penalty area more, but that almost certainly is related. Both Martial and Rashford in particular (Pogba also does it when he gets in the area ) are often guilty of overplaying when they get in the box. They get the opportunity to shoot but instead of going for it they'll try to go past another player or two to create a perfect opportunity. Sometimes it works and they do create a better chance. Sometimes (far too often) it gives the defender the opportunity to actually win the ball and the chance is gone. And sometimes it wins a penalty as a defender tries an all-or-nothing tackle that doesn't quite come off. Quite likely we'd actually score more goals overall if they'd just shoot the first time instead of trying to do do more, but it is what it is.
I don't watch enough of Liverpool, City or any other team to know whether they should be getting more penalties. Maybe the reason we got so many more penalties last season is because all these other teams were getting screwed over with the referee decisions. If that is the case then by all means complain about that. What I do know though is that complaining about the number of penalties we've gotten is ridiculous since we really only get the penalties that we should be getting. It was also hardly 'unprecedented'. We only got one more than both Leicester and Crystal Palace have had in other seasons, and numerous other teams (including yourselves) have been within two before. Leicester this season are on track to go way past that number as well.
Not even plus 1. Martial should have had penalty against Crystal palace.The thing is that if a truly neutral judge (ie. many Utd fans are biased towards us while many rival fans are biased against us) went over our penalties last season, it's fairly obvious that we were wrongly given two penalties. James against Norwich and Bruno against Villa, both of which are absolutely fine to complain about. But all our other penalties were fine. We also had one absolutely blatant penalty not given our way (Fred against City where he was ridiculously given a yellow card for diving when there was big contact) so we were the grand total of +1 over the course of the season. Hardly enough to warrant the ridiculous amount of attention that it has received. And that's not even including quite a few others that probably 'should' have been given but I'm not going to include them as they weren't 100% guaranteed.
Just in the most recent game there was another incident that we probably should got another penalty and the opposition player sent off when he went in elbow first and got Pogba in the face while being nowhere near the ball. Yet all the attention seems to be on the penalty we later won that was quite obviously correct. Makes me wonder if anyone complaining about it has ever played physical sport before. The contact the defender made on him is literally a tackling technique in rugby league and union called an ankle tap - when an opposition player is running away from you you tap their back leg over so it hits their other leg and trips them over. Yet according to these 'experts' it was nothing and Pogba dived.
You say it's not because we dribble in the penalty area more, but that almost certainly is related. Both Martial and Rashford in particular (Pogba also does it when he gets in the area ) are often guilty of overplaying when they get in the box. They get the opportunity to shoot but instead of going for it they'll try to go past another player or two to create a perfect opportunity. Sometimes it works and they do create a better chance. Sometimes (far too often) it gives the defender the opportunity to actually win the ball and the chance is gone. And sometimes it wins a penalty as a defender tries an all-or-nothing tackle that doesn't quite come off. Quite likely we'd actually score more goals overall if they'd just shoot the first time instead of trying to do do more, but it is what it is.
I don't watch enough of Liverpool, City or any other team to know whether they should be getting more penalties. Maybe the reason we got so many more penalties last season is because all these other teams were getting screwed over with the referee decisions. If that is the case then by all means complain about that. What I do know though is that complaining about the number of penalties we've gotten is ridiculous since we really only get the penalties that we should be getting.
It's funny because while we're improving, we're not really even that good (yet!). Perhaps rivals worry about us strengthening in the transfer market and improving on the pitch over the next 18 months.
Don't remember that one off the top of my head. Any clips? It may have been one of the others that probably should have been given but I don't want to go overboard claiming anything that isn't an absolutely 100% guaranteed penalty every day of the week (like the Fred incident was). If I start including incidents that are whatsoever debateable it starts sounding similar to the people who are complaining about things.
Man Utd - penalties 6, penalties against 4
Leicester - penalties 10, penalties against 1
So why are they complaining about us but not Leicester?
Leicester - penalties 10, penalties against 1
So why are they complaining about us but not Leicester?
For years we've complained that we don't get enough penalties and that refs hate us and shaft us. Seems like we were right all along since the introduction of VAR seems to have corrected that.
Liverpool had almost as many as United this season And most of them are questionable. There were those ridiculous call in the Leeds game that Liverpool wouldn’t have won without, the salah dive vs west ham That got Liverpool the win, the dodgy handball call vs Fulham that saved you a point and one was mane dive against city that got you a point.
without those penalties you are no way near a title race and that is without even considering the 2 red cards the referees have given to your opponents.
Liverpool should be investigated to be honest if they win the title this season. The refs are helping them left right and centre.
It's against Palace in the 2-1 game. Cahill fouled Martial when the score was 1-1 IIRC.