If you use that logic to every player, probably all our players are shit and overpaid.
Good point as really the transfer fee is almost meaningless. 30,40,50 million etc.
more athletic than Herrera but lacks his goal threat, but that's a trade off I can work with.
Agreed - emotional posts after a win/defeat isn't the best thing one can do
but i guess that's what a forum is for.Yeah they're by no means perfect - but they're the best pair we've got right now and seem to do a good enough job of carrying the water for the team and letting the front 4 win the matches.Agreed - emotional posts after a win/defeat isn't the best thing one can do
Fred's improved massively, especially after his horror'ish start to his career. I've never been his biggest fan if I'm honest, so take my views with a pinch of salt. I see him as a very good/important squad player but i still think he needs to overcome some of his obvious limitations if he wants to be a regular. Same with McT. But they've both contributed massively, and have their uses. Does that sound fair or harsh?
Who cares? We did, in a very different market to the one we have today.
Fair but are you not frustrated that they are not improving and/or consistent game after game. For me it is hold your breath for 20m at start of every game wondering if our midfield will have good or bad dayAgreed - emotional posts after a win/defeat isn't the best thing one can do
Fred's improved massively, especially after his horror'ish start to his career. I've never been his biggest fan if I'm honest, so take my views with a pinch of salt. I see him as a very good/important squad player but i still think he needs to overcome some of his obvious limitations if he wants to be a regular. Same with McT. But they've both contributed massively, and have their uses. Does that sound fair or harsh?
The OP clearly since he started a thread about how hes been £47 million well spent
Yeah, playing one of them is fine, but seems playing both together, you're severely restricting creativity from the middle. This is ok if/when your front 4 is ale to produce. But when they are not producing, the midfields limitations become obvious.
Yeah, it depends really. But i get what you're saying. I think it might have something to do with not starting a consistent pair either. Maybe this is due to their inconsistency or because we take the opponents strength into account - possible a mixture? Seems Fred and McT are used against "better" teams and Pogba is used in the middle when we need more spark/creativity. If he wasn't so wildly inconsistent, it would be less of an issue, IMO.
He is a defensive midfielder, though. I don't know why people keep arguing he is not when he clearly is. The vast majority of the time he plays deeper; he very rarely reaches the edge of the opponent's box. His main job is to defend, which he is up there with the best in the league. Only Romeu and Kante have a noticeable gap on him. At most DMs score 2 goals per season, and about the same with assists.
I totally agree, it's bizarre. Either a player is good enough to be playing or not. It's not Fred's fault if he cost £47m or £99m or £10m. That tells you more about markets and supply and demand than it tells you about football. Whould all those who criticise Fred be delighted with him if he only cost £25m? Would Bruno be a flop if he'd have cost £200? All the matters is performance on the pitch.
I don't think he is. If anything Fellaini was more a symbol of Moyes and Jose than Fred. Don't forget Fred was signed by Ed with Jose's approval at a time where it seemed we were just trying to buy anyone city went after as some weird show of power. Fred was then frozen out of the team and hardly used by Jose. Jose even insinuated in the press that Fred wasn't his signing. So I don't think anyone thinks of Fred/Jose in the same vein as Fellaini/Moyes. Lukaku and Jose is more symbolic of Mour's time here for me. I think the reason Fred gets targeted by fans on here is because he isn't the complete footballer, he does some things well and others not so. He's an almost identical player to Herrera in a lot of regards, whom again split the fan base.
Agree. Fred is not the problem and whilst his ceiling might not be as high as others, look to those who ceilings are but don't deliver. Fred has more MOTM performances than Pogs, Harry, Matic and Scott put together....
I despise Martial, the only players who are good enough for united are Bruno and greenwood.
Yeah that’s the type of footballer we need In our teams. The ones that are better without the ball. If I got fit enough to be an athlete I could do a job without the ball...That’s not what we need at United. We need a Modric, Kroos, Scholes ect not a glorified press merchant who hasn’t got a brain. How about we buy players who have vision and just don’t pass sideway like a crab.
100% agree. If we accept mediocre players we will be a mediocre team. Let’s just keep the likes of Fred, Jones and Lingard on our books. tHEy aRE GoOD SqUAD plaYers.
This is my issue. He has moments where he is rock solid and creative . But has more moments where he loses the ball due to poor touch, gives away stupid Freekicks in danger areas,stands in space thinking this is useful , doesnt track his man due to ball watching and (Ive watch lots of replays) points vaguely to defenders to pass a man over while standing in space.
Yes, we do need a player like that. But they will then play next to Fred, not instead of him. Unless you think one of our other options would be a better partner for that type of player?
It depends what type of defensive midfielder it is. If it's a deep-lying playmaker like a Carrick or Alonso who defends more with their positioning, then yes Fred is probably a good partner. He would provide the harrying and pressing ability, constantly moving to be in position to receive the ball and is good enough on the ball to contribute. He shouldn't be expected to be the main playmaker himself though (which is the role he has to play when partnered with McTominay) so you wouldn't want to partner him with somebody like Ndidi.
Interesting, what is a "creative movement when on the ball"? Are we coming up with new ways to criticize Fred?
Good point. I don't know if Garner is going to get a shot at United next season but from what I've seen he's that Carrick type deep playmaker so that partnership could maybe have a future.
I'm not sure if you're having a go at me for something i didn't say? I've been pretty clear saying he's a squad player, who's proven his value but i think we need players better on the ball/or Fred needs to improve. And for the record, there's a use for most players. Kante isn't the best on the ball (albeit at times a bit underrated) - and there are a few other examples out there - but these players have uses, especially when surrounded by a complimentary skillset. Fred's deficiencies are even more exposed when partnered with McT.
No those players play besides players like Casemiro or even Fernandinho, not Fred.
Interesting choice of username.
We don't have a player like that. Matic is too immobile, McTominay simply isn't good enough. Fred would be our best option unless we want to buy two new central midfielders, along with all the other positions that most fans want us to be looking at.
you were probably looking for Twitter. Perhaps go and post there in future.
