I agree, comparing a manager who's won everything and been beaten by Southampton to a manager who's won nothing and bean beaten by Southampton is a pretty poor comparison.
I apologise Ole!
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I've been a fan since the 80s as well and I'm quite happy with where the team is going.
Have you seen the Premier League this year? There is not ONE team that has not dropped points to perceived easy opponents. Not one.
Klopp took 3 years to build Liverpool, Pep was given a blank chequebook for a City team that was already playing FM with Unlimited Funds.
Give me a break with this ridiculous impatience.
Honestly, grow up.
What utter tosh.
The comparisons are valid, for this reason alone.
Manchester United - in our 140-year history - have only ever really been successful in two spells. 1960s and 1990s-2000s.
Both were under managers who were given years to build a successful squad that would dominate for years.
Both managers faced plenty of calls to be sacked from idiot fans who could only see what was happening in the first team - blinded to everything else that was going on at the club - for nigh on six years!
After two years in charge, Ole is actually performing better than those two managers did in their first two years.
And if you can't see the development that is going on at our football club outside of the first team right now (which n my opinion is obviously and clearly an ode to Busby and Fergie but a better version of it (have you seen the young talent we have signed over the past year that are about 3 years from making our first team?)) then you would have to be labeled one of those idiotic fans who would have wanted Busby sacked in 1954 and Fergie sacked in 1989.
I'll give you some advice. Open your eyes, much wider than just the last first-team result, and see what is going on at our club. We are building the strongest foundation of any club in the world right now. Don't be one of those idiots that called for Fergie's head in 1989.
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Ahh mr all mouth hey big Ron missed you, you still cleaning Ole’s errr house
Yeah that’s a myth rom
A lot of people did want his head but yo think ole is more advanced makes me question your generation and whether you’ve been on google. I remember saf’s first game, oxford away and the result and the scorers. So part of ole’s job was to kill the drinking culture in the club for 10 years. A pitch that was used for rugby league matches and was a quagmire just yo name a few things. Be honest are you from the era of true fans or the glory era fans. Cos you should know better than to come up with that post if you’re pre SAF.
I completely agree, on the same note we should had kept Lingard as a starter because once in 2006 Scholes had a woeful game. Those that are happy to see Lingard gone probably demanded Scholes to be sold on that time.
What a bunch of bullocks, Sir Alex was beaten 4 times by teams in the bottom of the league IN 27 AMAZING YEARS FFS!
Of course you're going to find almost every situation that happened to Sir Alex, he was here for a long long time. Knocked out of the UCL group stage? It happened to Sir Alex once in 2004 no problem, winless run? It happened to Sir Alex in 1997, etc etc
Such a lame excuse FFS, It's insulting to compare Sir Alex to Ole, that's how far away are they from each other. You are talking about the greatest manager of all time and on the other hand Ole is not even the best of his time, nor league, not even in the discussion. Stop this nonsense.
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Good grief.
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If you say so. It does look like the more experienced managers have an outdated style of play.
Bruce
Hodgson
Big Sam
Jose
Carlo Anchelotti
Pulis
Whereas the younger managers tend to play more football:
Nagglesman
Pep
Eddie Howe
Tuchel
Just because you have watched football for a longer time, doesn't mean the younger generation don't know what standards are. In fact they are more in tune with younger generation footballers.
You have to accept the fact society has moved on, things change, just because Manutd used to be dominant over phases, don't mean they will continue to do so.
Unfortunately, the problem with most manutd fans, they are still stuck in the SAF era. Comparing the team / manager now to Fergie. Until you learn to let go, the club wont move on.
Spot on.
You can add the media to that as well.
I find it really frustrating, mainly because it doesn’t seem to happen at other clubs. Lampard wasn’t constantly compared to Mourinho. Arteta doesn’t seem to constantly being compared to the great Arsenal teams of years gone by.
People have expectation levels of where they would like United to be based on history. That’s fine. People need to tune their expectations of reality a little to make criticism (or praise) of Ole and any subsequent masters fair and justified
Yep, the media too, forgot to add that.
We have one of the most divided fan group thats why. Some fans cannot comprehend that you can be from outside of Manchester and still support the club, some fans think because they supported for x amount of years their opinion is valued more, some fans think we are still the powerhouse Manutd that could go bully any team into selling to us. Times move, we need to move with it.
This is not just the fans, the club is the same. Every football club is now geared to new methods of operating, we still cannot get a DoF.
You can enjoy the history of the club but we need to understand the environment we live in. There is other powerhouses now, billionaire owners.
These comparisons are a joke now, its with everything. People need to realise, Fergie was a GOAT, there will be NO ONE that comes close to that. Enjoy the fact we had the best manager ever.
The idea that Ole and Sir Alex are the same because Fergie also lost games against Southampton is making my head hurt
You're deluded mate and your arguments are bad. Feel free to put ole in the same bracket as Fergie and Busby, in terms of managerial achievement a decade into their careers the results and trophies speak for themselves.
He has to take responsibility for all the wins too. Huge improvement since he came in. The mess he inherited to this is miles apart.
You would have made a similar comparison between Fergie and Busby back in 89. Like a well aged cheese, managers need time.
"Oh - I have been a United-fan for 37 years, so I am a better fan than you" - sorry, I have a hard time taking you seriously
Ive been a fan since the 70s and with Ole we can be a dominant force
Based on what
Everything!
Based on progress since he took over.
Yes terrible down cycle after winning 9-0. And it's time to look at table points since the restart again:
MC 31 matches, 71 points
MU 31, 65
Liv 31, 58
Che 31, 53
It boggles my mind that some of you think Ole is not good enough.
People just seem to expect nothing less than relentless winning. A defeat and a draw and we are supposedly on a downward cycle again. If 2 games without a win is the new crisis then, again, it only serves to show how far this team have come.
Ole put the ball in the germans net.
Simple.
Simple.
You remind me of a young lad who joined my department a couple of years ago. Early 30s came in on my pay grade cocky as hell and had your attitude. Didn’t want my help he was a younger and better version of me, apparently. He lasted three months before he was exited. Two others who joined with him asked for my help, got it and survived their probation. They still come to me for advice and I still give it.
my dads 81 and is still recognised as one of the highest ranking and respected consultant medical doctors in this country. All the youngers (including consultants) go to him and he is still the man.
We both laugh at your suggestion and notion.
I see your condescension and raise it.
Ps you have to accept the fact that you are wrong my young brother. The problem with your generation is you still live with mum and dad
Jesus, how arrogant are you?
Ha, does it annoy you bojangles? I’ll pass your gratitude to my dad for busting his backside for you at 81 while you do what for society exactly a part from tell us how it is? You donkey
WTF is this nonsense.It’s the post of the decade ’young brother’
We've got a live one folks.
Only 15 points gained against the the teams that sit currently in the top 10 of the league. That's 18 points dropped. Dropped more points than we have gained. Only 3 wins, West Ham (after a terrible 1st half), Everton and Aston Villa (difference in the game was a debatable penalty)
In 4 games against the 3 teams in the relegation zone we have an aggerate score of 7 to 5, those are games were you hope to pad your GD. Mind boggling we haven't had 1 win by more than 1 goal against relegation fodder.
Not good enough. Can't always be on mental lapses from the players. What AWB did and the Tuanzebe substitution are examples of bad coaching and tactics. How the hell is it not drilled into AWB to know in stoppage time up a goal to get it to the corner. I mean is none of the coaches screaming instructions while they are making the Tuanzebe substitution to remind players to not try to play stuff and just drill it towards Everton's corner? Putting Tuzanbe on in stoppage time gave the that bellend Moss the go ahead to add more time and the irony of that was keeping Greenwood on would have most likely been better off because he might have gotten to the ball instead of AWB or he might have been in the area to take a closer pass so maybe AWB would have found him instead of trying a ball to Cavani. If it's another 5-10 years before we win another title i'll never forget we had a golden chance to win this year and the coaching and tactics have let us down.
In 4 games against the 3 teams in the relegation zone we have an aggerate score of 7 to 5, those are games were you hope to pad your GD. Mind boggling we haven't had 1 win by more than 1 goal against relegation fodder.
Not good enough. Can't always be on mental lapses from the players. What AWB did and the Tuanzebe substitution are examples of bad coaching and tactics. How the hell is it not drilled into AWB to know in stoppage time up a goal to get it to the corner. I mean is none of the coaches screaming instructions while they are making the Tuanzebe substitution to remind players to not try to play stuff and just drill it towards Everton's corner? Putting Tuzanbe on in stoppage time gave the that bellend Moss the go ahead to add more time and the irony of that was keeping Greenwood on would have most likely been better off because he might have gotten to the ball instead of AWB or he might have been in the area to take a closer pass so maybe AWB would have found him instead of trying a ball to Cavani. If it's another 5-10 years before we win another title i'll never forget we had a golden chance to win this year and the coaching and tactics have let us down.
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There's obviously room for improvement but at this point we've got the 2nd most points in the league and the 2nd best goal difference. For every other team you could pick out a specific set of games and say "look they haven't done very well in these games".
If 'coaching and tactics are letting us down' the grass isn't any greener elsewhere than City at the moment.
City are winning the league this season
Liverpool have won the PL and CL the last 2 years
Chelsea is not a good example because they sacked the guy that got them most of those points
All 3 won their CL groups this season, meanwhile OGS had 1 hand on winning the group and completely bottled it.
That's ignoring ALL the good
and pointing out
ALL the bad.
Must be depressing living with that sort of attitude.
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I was born in 1974.. I have been a conscious United fan since 1980.
That's eight managers through my life.
I have never been happier with any manager after two years than I am with Solskjaer.
The progress, not just in the first team, but around the entire club, is so much more transparent and clear and obvious than it ever was under any of those other manager after two years.
Ole is doing a superb job.
Those saying - or even, thinking, he's not doing a superb job... well, I kinda feel sorry for your short-sightedness. I do. Genuinely. I'm also sorry to say that I think you've chosen the wrong football club to 'support'.
If you want Solskjaer sacked - or have wanted Solskjaer sacked - at any point over the past year or so, then that means you definitely would have wanted Sir Matt sacked in 1952 and definitely would have wanted Sir Alex sacked in 1989. There is NO ARGUMENT against that. Just let that sink in....
I was born in 1974.. I have been a conscious United fan since 1980.
That's eight managers through my life.
I have never been happier with any manager after two years than I am with Solskjaer.
The progress, not just in the first team, but around the entire club, is so much more transparent and clear and obvious than it ever was under any of those other manager after two years.
Ole is doing a superb job.
Those saying - or even, thinking, he's not doing a superb job... well, I kinda feel sorry for your short-sightedness. I do. Genuinely. I'm also sorry to say that I think you've chosen the wrong football club to 'support'.
If you want Solskjaer sacked - or have wanted Solskjaer sacked - at any point over the past year or so, then that means you definitely would have wanted Sir Matt sacked in 1952 and definitely would have wanted Sir Alex sacked in 1989. There is NO ARGUMENT against that. Just let that sink in....
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Putting aside the 9-0 win and 6-2 win against leeds, what is the good? Beating Newcastle by 3 goals? Beating Aston Villa after a debatable penalty? The 90+3 winner against Wolves?
Reminder we have conceded 30 goals in the league this year so far, last year we only conceded 36. The side is actually on pace to concede the most goals in the league by a Man Utd team in a season under 1 manager since 1978 and we allowed 63 then and it was a 42 game season.
Very melodramatic and hysterical.
People are seriously comparing Ole to SAF. Lest we forget why SAF got the job at United. He got it on merit, very solid one. Ole is basically nobody in managers world and was appointed ONLY because he was our ex player with a mediocre manager experience. I hope he does come good, but please do not compare him to SAF, he is a dozen levels below yet.
As I said, must be depressing just being able to pick out any negatives you can find. I hope you are keeping well, though, mate.
If you can't see the good in what Ole is doing then please check out my post above that begins with 'This deserves a like'. You REALLY need to read that.