Fernandinho's Munich air disaster twitter post?

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I have to have faith that this was unintentional.

If Cavani’s punishment to the barometer, then he should receive the same.

you could never prove it was done on purpose, but if is was, and if that was a senior United player mocking Hillsborough on its anniversary I wouldn’t want him to ever play for the club again - and he should be booted out of the club.

 

[Rood]

I hope you're right, as it'd be horrible if he did it as some sort of "banter".

He should be banned forever it's deliberate banter but pure ignorance is much more likely

A ban for stupidity and causing offence would be valid though - an official apology should be the bare minimum

 

[UmbroDays]

Exactly what was the use of the explosion emoji supposed to convey? I don't use emojis (except the here) in my daily life so I really don't know.

It’s also refers to “bang” on iPhones e.g banged in the header. Same as using a target. He’s not the first player I’ve seen use the bang emoji for a goal.

Like I say before, he has had fellow Brazilian footballers die in a plane crash, so Idon’t think this is malicious

 

[Adnan]

I hope it was unintentional, because if it was to mock the tragedy, then I'm gonna be fuming.

 

[WR]

Like when I hear September 11th as an American, doubt I would remember the twin towers being blown up! Shocked if I do! I hope my sarcasm bleeds through here man.

you do remember these things. People do remember these things. Has he ever used this emoji before? The explosion one?
If you have him doing so elsewhere maybe maybe you can make a claim.

Comparing 9/11 (the event is named after the date ffs) which was the biggest terrorist incident in modern history to the Munich disaster 63 years ago is just a reach too far.

There is no reason that he would know the exact date of the Munich crash.

 

[Amir]

Because it is in the news players and the social media teams know what is happening.
He is the Captain of the team, not a youth team player who is not involved in press conferences and the like. He is responsible for the tweet, and that was a hate filled despicable amoral vile tweet.... so yes he should know and be responsible

Again, I think you are looking at it from the perspective of a Manchester United fan. I can easily see how something like that would pass you by if you played for any other club, even in Manchester, especially during this time when you probably see a lot less people around when you're at the club.

Yes, a player is responsible for everything posted in his account. There's quite a gap between acceping that to claiming there was no way he didn't know what the day meant.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Comparing 9/11 (the event is named after the date ffs) which was the biggest terrorist incident in modern history to the Munich disaster 63 years ago is just a reach too far.

There is no reason that he would know the exact date of the Munich crash.

I don’t expect Fernandinho or his pr Twitter guy or whoever to tell you the date it happened if you asked them a question in august, around the same time though with stuff online and in papers, I guess there’s a good chance they could see something about it

 

[croadyman]

Hmm Cavani gets banned for something he doesnt mean and is viewed as offensive.

Yeah he deserves at least the same treatment if this is genuine

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Yeah he deserves at least the same treatment if this is genuine

What makes you think it’s not though? Why did he take it down then?

 

[big rons sovereign]

Because there’s two pics. One where he’s jumping up for a big header hence the exploding emoji for a ‘boom’ type effect, and another where’s he laughing and celebrating doing a plane type motion hence, the plane emoji.

It’s not that deep

A plane motion? He's literally jumping over somebody, that's what your arms do when you're jumping. To say you're reaching would be an understatement.

 

[croadyman]

What makes you think it’s not though? Why did he take it down then?

Yeah that is very true but you just know they will manage to talk their way out of any punishment, clearly they did they not learn anything from the Bernardo Silva tweet stuff and need reminding.

 

[cvb]

City fan here. I’m 2 years younger than Fernandinho, grew up in Manchester among a lot of big reds, ST holder and Maine Road and The Etihad, and I would not have been able to tell you the day in February that is the anniversary of the Munich Air Disaster. I know that it was in February 1958, but I would not know it is the 6th. Same as I know WW2 ended in 1945, but wouldn’t be able to give you the dates of VE and VJ day. While Feb 6th is a date widely known among United’s fanbase, I don’t think it’s something widely known after the fact.

I agree that Fernandinho is an arse of an opponent on the pitch, but there is simply no way that a City captain uses those emojis knowingly - especially when you take into account the corresponding pictures which show him winning an aerial battle.

I will not deny the morons in our fanbase who think it is something to celebrate, but the club itself has only ever mourned with and supported United.

Why did Fernandinho delete the tweet? Because someone at City informed him on the very unfortunate coincidence. If he tweeted that photo with those emojis any other day of the year, it goes completely unnoticed (which is how it differentiates from Cavani’s tweet, which I’m not passing judgement on).

You can campaign for him to be banned all you like, but you can’t also be angry about the Cavani ban if you succeed.

 

[Amir]

What makes you think it’s not though? Why did he take it down then?

Because someone realised it might be interpreted badly even it was completely innocent?

 

[McGrathsipan]

City fan here. I’m 2 years younger than Fernandinho, grew up in Manchester among a lot of big reds, ST holder and Maine Road and The Etihad, and I would not have been able to tell you the day in February that is the anniversary of the Munich Air Disaster. I know that it was in February 1958, but I would not know it is the 6th. Same as I know WW2 ended in 1945, but wouldn’t be able to give you the dates of VE and VJ day. While Feb 6th is a date widely known among United’s fanbase, I don’t think it’s something widely known after the fact.

I agree that Fernandinho is an arse of an opponent on the pitch, but there is simply no way that a City captain uses those emojis knowingly - especially when you take into account the corresponding pictures which show him winning an aerial battle.

I will not deny the morons in our fanbase who think it is something to celebrate, but the club itself has only ever mourned with and supported United.

Why did Fernandinho delete the tweet? Because someone at City informed him on the very unfortunate coincidence. If he tweeted that photo with those emojis any other day of the year, it goes completely unnoticed (which is how it differentiates from Cavani’s tweet, which I’m not passing judgement on).

You can campaign for him to be banned all you like, but you can’t also be angry about the Cavani ban if you succeed.

Coincidence my arse

What else does the tweet mean?
Not knowing what date is a poor deflection tactic. Articles about the anniversary are frequent all week

Its poor from your player. Mocking death is just lower than a snakes belly.

 

[croadyman]

City fan here. I’m 2 years younger than Fernandinho, grew up in Manchester among a lot of big reds, ST holder and Maine Road and The Etihad, and I would not have been able to tell you the day in February that is the anniversary of the Munich Air Disaster. I know that it was in February 1958, but I would not know it is the 6th. Same as I know WW2 ended in 1945, but wouldn’t be able to give you the dates of VE and VJ day. While Feb 6th is a date widely known among United’s fanbase, I don’t think it’s something widely known after the fact.

I agree that Fernandinho is an arse of an opponent on the pitch, but there is simply no way that a City captain uses those emojis knowingly - especially when you take into account the corresponding pictures which show him winning an aerial battle.

I will not deny the morons in our fanbase who think it is something to celebrate, but the club itself has only ever mourned with and supported United.

Why did Fernandinho delete the tweet? Because someone at City informed him on the very unfortunate coincidence. If he tweeted that photo with those emojis any other day of the year, it goes completely unnoticed (which is how it differentiates from Cavani’s tweet, which I’m not passing judgement on).

You can campaign for him to be banned all you like, but you can’t also be angry about the Cavani ban if you succeed.

I was frustrated with the Cavani ban but understood there are sanctions in place if you tweet something then you will face the consequences, however don't expect Fernandinho to face any action at all because they will come up with some excuse that lets them off the hook.

 

[croadyman]

Coincidence my arse

What else does the tweet mean?
Not knowing what date is a poor deflection tactic. Articles about the anniversary are frequent all week

Its poor from your player. Mocking death is just lower than a snakes belly.

So true but where is the reporting in the press of this like we got with Cavani on the same day and any chance of an apology from City too might be nice as well

 

[Zen]

Coincidence my arse

What else does the tweet mean?
Not knowing what date is a poor deflection tactic. Articles about the anniversary are frequent all week

Its poor from your player. Mocking death is just lower than a snakes belly.

Which is almost certainly why it wasn't intentional... like seriously, truly and utterly think about it. You may do these kind of black humour in private(and get caught via drunk friend filming it if you are a celeb) or if you are some random on the internet, but you ain't doing it if you're Fernandinho, intentionally, on your public twitter.

Or maybe he was, and he did it like this.... so that he could get away with it, by saying it was coincidental! Now we're going conspiracy theory level, but , what would be the point of that anyway. In which case, there are plenty of sickipedia undertones to his tweeting history, let's unravel them.

 

[DRJosh]

He should be held accountable or at least be made to release a public statement of apology intentional or otherwise. It’s his account and he should have oversight on what gets posted on it. This is shocking behaviour and quite frankly disgusting.

This is beyond football.

 

[lsd]

Coincidence my arse

What else does the tweet mean?
Not knowing what date is a poor deflection tactic. Articles about the anniversary are frequent all week

Its poor from your player. Mocking death is just lower than a snakes belly.

Honestly get a grip you cannot really believe he did that to mock Munich.

It's embarrassing United fans trying to use this to get a guy banned

 

[croadyman]

Honestly get a grip you cannot really believe he did that to mock Munich.

It's embarrassing United fans trying to use this to get a guy banned

Yes he didn't mean to mock a tragedy but surely he understands that feelings run so high when it relates to this, could easily have used other emojis to make his point rather than those particular ones

 

[Amir]

Yes he didn't mean to mock a tragedy but surely he understands that feelings run so high when it relates to this, could easily have used other emojis to make his point rather than those particular ones

It is not about understanding. It's about knowing or remembering it' the anniversary.

 

[Offsideagain]

Oh he didn’t mean it. Now what are the odds on ending a tweet with flames, a football, an aircraft and someone laughing or crying emojis? What are the odds on that tweet ending with those emojis on the 6th February? This crunt has been here seven years and must have been schooled by the Bitters on the Munich disaster. He and nobody else has any excuse. The useless FA have asked the Government to investigate racist abuse against Tuanzebe but nothing, bugger all, nowt about Fernandinho which is typical. Racist abuse is vial but this is worse.

 

[croadyman]

Oh he didn’t mean it. Now what are the odds on ending a tweet with flames, a football, an aircraft and someone laughing or crying emojis? What are the odds on that tweet ending with those emojis on the 6th February? This crunt has been here seven years and must have been schooled by the Bitters on the Munich disaster. He and nobody else has any excuse. The useless FA have asked the Government to investigate racist abuse against Tuanzebe but nothing, bugger all, nowt about Fernandinho which is typical. Racist abuse is vial but this is worse.

Yeah and surprise surprise City fans are telling us to stop being so sensitive about it, FFS you lost one of your own in the tragedy and MOTD don't even mention it just to really rub salt in the wounds

 

[Silas]

Was he hacked? I find it hard to believe it was intentional.

 

[WR]

Coincidence my arse

What else does the tweet mean?
Not knowing what date is a poor deflection tactic. Articles about the anniversary are frequent all week

Its poor from your player. Mocking death is just lower than a snakes belly.

Deluded. There’s a reason there’s almost no press on this. It’s so obviously an unfortunate coincidence.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

I think recent events with the FA have shown that intent is meaningless. I hope that the FA will punish him to the fullest extent and note that it's City's failing to provide education on the matter to their players.

 

[croadyman]

I think recent events with the FA have shown that intent is meaningless. I hope that the FA will punish him to the fullest extent and note that it's City's failing to provide education on the matter to their players.

Don't hold your breath on that one it's not Utd after all

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

I think recent events with the FA have shown that intent is meaningless. I hope that the FA will punish him to the fullest extent and note that it's City's failing to provide education on the matter to their players.

He can do an educational course.

Including having to do a few tours through our museum.

 

[croadyman]

The celebration maybe but then the explosion and laughing emoji? No chance

Yeah got no problem with the training photos but the emojis cross the line for me, they acted on Eddy because someone could take offence well I am that person and going to ring that FA number tomorrow because feel strongly about it

 

[McGrathsipan]

Honestly get a grip you cannot really believe he did that to mock Munich.

It's embarrassing United fans trying to use this to get a guy banned

I dont give a flying feck if he gets banned or not. Couldn't care less.

Why did he delete it?

 

[lsd]

I dont give a flying feck if he gets banned or not. Couldn't care less.

Why did he delete it?

Why did Cavani delete his? He was obviously told it could cause a fuss and deleted. Thats not an admission of guilt in any way

 

[Bertie Wooster]

Why did Cavani delete his? He was obviously told it could cause a fuss and deleted. Thats not an admission of guilt in any way

It doesn't have to be an admission of guilt - as the Cavani verdict shows. The FA made a point of saying they accepted it was an innocently meant message, and that Cavani had absolutely no intent, or even knowledge of the possibility of offence it might cause.

However, for the minimum 3 game ban, intent was deemed irrelevant and ignorance no defence. The possibility of unintentional offence was enough for a 3 game ban. Only extending the ban further had to have proof of intent.

So every argument made in defence of Fernandinho is exactly the same arguments used for Cavani. The difference seems to be either that it was a United player so the public and media made a bigger fuss. Or it was the subject matter, and the FA felt duty bound to act on one while allowing some context and common sense on the other. That's a complete lack of consistency and, if the arguments are deemed valid for Fernandinho's defence, just further highlights how unfairly treated Cavani was with his reactionary ban.

 

[MetoTTT]

What the plane emoti means? He took the plane to go to Liverpool? The day of the anniversary.

 

[Withnail]

It doesn't have to be an admission of guilt - as the Cavani verdict shows. The FA made a point of saying they accepted it was an innocently meant message, and that Cavani had absolutely no intent, or even knowledge of the possibility of offence it might cause.

However, for the minimum 3 game ban, intent was deemed irrelevant and ignorance no defence. The possibility of unintentional offence was enough for a 3 game ban. Only extending the ban further had to have proof of intent.

So every argument made in defence of Fernandinho is exactly the same arguments used for Cavani. The difference seems to be either that it was a United player so the public and media made a bigger fuss. Or it was the subject matter, and the FA felt duty bound to act on one while allowing some context and common sense on the other. That's a complete lack of consistency and, if the arguments are deemed valid for Fernandinho's defence, just further highlights how unfairly treated Cavani was with his reactionary ban.

Well it's completely different because there are very strict rules around using language that refers to skin colour/ethnicity etc.

Whereas in this case they'd have to prove intent. They'd have to prove he knew it was the anniversary and he deliberately set out to mock the tragedy. Quite frankly it's impossible to prove that what Fernandinho did wasn't just an unfortunate coincidence.

The two incidents don't compare at all, much as people seem to want them to.

 

[Striker10]

Honestly get a grip you cannot really believe he did that to mock Munich.

It's embarrassing United fans trying to use this to get a guy banned

What is embarrassing? ...I'm not getting it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But nothing is embarrassing. How can you be embarrassed by anything? Did someone make a grown man post something dumb on social media? He could post that on any day. People should be mindful. The world celebrates losers. People should grow up.

 

[cyberman]

Well it's completely different because there are very strict rules around using language that refers to skin colour/ethnicity etc.

Whereas in this case they'd have to prove intent. They'd have to prove he knew it was the anniversary and he deliberately set out to mock the tragedy. Quite frankly it's impossible to prove that what Fernandinho did wasn't just an unfortunate coincidence.

The two incidents don't compare at all, much as people seem to want them to.

Not sure they have to prove intent to be honest. Its up to players to fight the charge, its not a court of law

 

[lex talionis]

I accept the possibility that this was an unintentional coincidence. I’m not convinced of it, but I accept it as a possibility.

Fernandinho should come out publicly with a full denial of such intent, apologize for the unintended harm he caused and ask forgiveness for his carelessness. Anything short of that will prove at least to me he got one over us and I will hold him in low regard forever.

 

[Red00012]

I dont give a flying feck if he gets banned or not. Couldn't care less.

Why did he delete it?

The same reason Cavani deleted it , a media officer advises it

 

[Bertie Wooster]

Well it's completely different because there are very strict rules around using language that refers to skin colour/ethnicity etc.

Whereas in this case they'd have to prove intent. They'd have to prove he knew it was the anniversary and he deliberately set out to mock the tragedy. Quite frankly it's impossible to prove that what Fernandinho did wasn't just an unfortunate coincidence.

The two incidents don't compare at all, much as people seem to want them to.

It was rule E3 that Cavani was charged over. There are plenty of things listed there, including "“A Participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour”.

That refers to both on and off the pitch, and includes social media. There's also a subsection about race, gender, etc, which relates more to Cavani's unintentional offence. But a tweet with an aeroplane and laughing Emoji that suggests a deliberate or accidental mocking of a rival clubs disaster, on the anniversary of that event, should certainly be investigated as regards the first part quoted above.

 

[Withnail]

Not sure they have to prove intent to be honest. Its up to players to fight the charge, its not a court of law

It was rule E3 that Cavani was charged over. There are plenty of things listed there, including "“A Participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour”.

That refers to both on and off the pitch, and includes social media. There's also a subsection about race, gender, etc, which relates more to Cavani's unintentional offence. But a tweet with an aeroplane and laughing Emoji that suggests a deliberate or accidental mocking of a rival clubs disaster, on the anniversary of that event, should certainly be investigated as regards the first part quoted above.

What I mean is they'd have to prove or have good reason to believe he was referencing Munich. The fact that it was emojis and not words makes his tweet quite ambiguous.

I can't imagine anything will come of this.