James McClean: 'Does being abused for being Irish and anti Irish abuse acceptable?'

[RUCK4444]

Why is racial abuse worse than sectarian abuse (to either Catholic or protestant)?

Maybe that's not what yours saying so apologies if it isn't

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of racial oppression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ (certainly not in the same context) and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

I’m not saying he should be abused, not at all, just that there’s a difference and him drawing the comparison is, well, a stretch.

 

[Still ill]

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of impression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

Well no, he doesn't. I think he just wants abuse to be called out when it happens, not just when it happens in certain instances.

 

[wolvored]

I don't know him so I don't know. It might well be why he's taking a stand. And tbh, if there is a right or wrong side in the Troubles, I'd definitely come down on the Irish side of it. But ultimately, standing up for your country or people is an admirable quality to a point. When you're screaming abuse at someone who hasn't done anything, sending death threats and the like, you just need help. A lot of very nice people in the UK have been radicalised by English nationalism, and it's scary. It's driven by a correct but misplaced sense of injustice. They're right that society doesn't value them, but that's not because of foreigners, it's because of our own corrupt ruling class. The likes of Rees Mogg, Johnson, Piers Morgan etc wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire.

I would go further and right to the top. Its a class thing that starts with the outdated monarchy. If that was scrapped there would be no lord this or sir that. No cow-towing to try and get a peerage. The fact it corrupts some people entirely. Sean Connery for example was a nationalist and didnt want a UK, he wanted Scotland out. Yet he didnt turn his peerage down.

 

[stevoc]

That’s what it is for me, essentially. You’re good Irishman until you open your mouth.

You just know that type of thinking is simmering under much of the criticism McClean gets that try to justify the abuse he receives.

 

[2cents]

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of racial oppression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

The history of Ireland and Britain - which let’s face it is something you don’t have a clue about nor are you interested in - ensures that anti-Irish tropes and abuse in the UK are conducted in a vastly different context than whatever needling you’ve experienced as a Welshman.

 

[Eire Red United]

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of impression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of racial oppression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

Until there’s a sizeable minority of idiots sitting in football stadiums roaring abuse at Welsh Catholics I dont think this argument makes sense.
Don’t get me wrong I can laugh at a Paddy Irishman joke as long as it’s good natured and not meant to be abusive. Sure you’ll get Irish people sterotyping all Kerrymen as thick, all Cavan men as mean and money hungry, all Mayomen as sheep shaggers etc. Totally harmless. But totally irrelevant to the abuse McClean gets for his background and his outspoken beliefs. As I’ve said before- replace “Irish” or “paddy” with black/jew/muslim and you’d rightly be calling for anyone hurling the abuse to be banned from games.

 

[limerickcitykid]

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of racial oppression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ (certainly not in the same context) and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

I’m not saying he should be abused, not at all, just that there’s a difference and him drawing the comparison is, well, a stretch.

Yep, still a self absorbed fecking idiot. Each post just gets stupider and stupider.

 

[stevoc]

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of racial oppression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ (certainly not in the same context) and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

I’m not saying he should be abused, not at all, just that there’s a difference and him drawing the comparison is, well, a stretch.

Thats horrible mate i'm sorry you had to go through that my heart goes out to you. It certainly puts the experiences of any young Irish Catholic who grew up in Northern Ireland during the troubles into perspective.

 

[spontaneus1]

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of racial oppression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ (certainly not in the same context) and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

I’m not saying he should be abused, not at all, just that there’s a difference and him drawing the comparison is, well, a stretch.

Such car crash of a post. You should really educate yourself before posting such shite on this forum.

 

[arnie_ni]

All the alphabet clubs in NI

never heard them described as this before.

 

[Brophs]

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of racial oppression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ (certainly not in the same context) and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

I’m not saying he should be abused, not at all, just that there’s a difference and him drawing the comparison is, well, a stretch.

It’d probably happen a lot more in Wales if people weren’t so busy pumping sheep.

 

[Flexdegea]

I really hope that’s sarcasm...

I thought that was obvious from previous posts

 

[Paxi]

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of racial oppression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ (certainly not in the same context) and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

I’m not saying he should be abused, not at all, just that there’s a difference and him drawing the comparison is, well, a stretch.

I don’t think that’s comparable to the atrocities committed by the British in Ireland, over the centuries. Being a certain religion and a minority doesn’t really qualify one on an opinion regarding Anglo-Irish relations or lack thereof.

 

[Flexdegea]

It’s not just refusal to wear the poppy. He’s openly republican and people don’t like that.

What else is meant to do?


Be somebody else, I don't get what he meant to do unless you think he should be quiet and do what he told when in a different country.

 

[Paxi]

What else is meant to do?


Be somebody else, I don't get what he meant to do unless you think he should be quiet and do what he told when in a different country.

No, not at all.

 

[Flexdegea]

Wee quick glance on Twitter at the moment, and you see exactly what Óglach McClean is talking about.

 

[Jippy]

Self absorbed feckin idiot.

I can genuinely say I’ve never met a single person who is remotely racist towards Irish people. Just my experience I suppose, but I’m 35 and lived in Britain my whole life. He’s comparing his ‘plight’ to that of minorities who have suffered far worse for generations.

Just feck off and retire from your basic career James, a career in which you are far more known for what’s happened off the pitch than on it.

Well that settles it then, there is no racism against the Irish in the UK, which really is the most tolerant country in the world.
Calm down Lozza.

 

[SER19]

While he might be targeted more due to the poppy issue, Irish people in Britain were discriminated against for a very long time and while I don't believe there's any sort of mass discrimination whatsoever now, there is a lingering idiocy among some people who are the clichéd version of an ignorant Empire descendent.

The relationship between the countries though, is testament to progress and ability to leave the past where it is.

 

[Champ]

I absolutely love McClean, he wears his heart and beliefs on his sleeve and people don't like it because they are beliefs which goes against the grain.
He's totally right in what he's been saying,

 

[Flexdegea]

I absolutely love McClean, he wears his heart and beliefs on his sleeve and people don't like it because they are beliefs which goes against the grain.
He's totally right in what he's been saying,

He's a good lad as well. Done his fair bit trying to help folk out. But that not what folk like to see

 

[Flexdegea]

People will say no big deal.....he got the money.....wants publicity or some nonsense like that


https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra..../james-mcclean-donation-childrens-hospice/amp

 

[RUCK4444]

It’d probably happen a lot more in Wales if people weren’t so busy pumping sheep.

See this is why I think they should take the knee for Welshman as well!

Point proved really.

 

[RUCK4444]

Thats horrible mate i'm sorry you had to go through that my heart goes out to you. It certainly puts the experiences of any young Irish Catholic who grew up in Northern Ireland during the troubles into perspective.

But nobody is taking the p*ss out of him for where he’s from are they now.

Perspective.

I’ve gone to football matches home and away for the majority of my adult life, not ONCE have I heard Irish racism.

I must be deaf as well as stupid fellas.

 

[spontaneus1]

But nobody is taking the p*ss out of him for where he’s from are they now.

Perspective.

I’ve gone to football matches home and away for the majority of my adult life, not ONCE have I heard Irish racism.

I must be deaf as well as stupid fellas.

Well you have already proven your stupidity in this thread so I guess we will have to take your word for the deafness.

 

[Paxi]

But nobody is taking the p*ss out of him for where he’s from are they now.

Perspective.

I’ve gone to football matches home and away for the majority of my adult life, not ONCE have I heard Irish racism.

I must be deaf as well as stupid fellas.

That is not the issue at hand. He’s getting ammunition through his post. I assume you know what that means. He receives post cards on the dates of atrocities committed by the British Army. He’s subjected to vile abuse. I hate to make comparisons but has is it not any worse than monkey emojis? His actual life is in danger.

 

[RUCK4444]

That is not the issue at hand. He’s getting ammunition through his post. I assume you know what that means. He receives post cards on the dates of atrocities committed by the British Army. He’s subjected to vile abuse. I hate to make comparisons but has is it not any worse than monkey emojis? His actual life is in danger.

Listen that is awful, seriously upsetting no doubt.

WTF has it got to do with football and the FA?

 

[Paxi]

Listen that is awful, seriously upsetting no doubt.

WTF has it got to do with football and the FA?

Because so much is made about BLM but what about anti-Irish/republican sentiment? Sentiment is putting it mildly.
Read his post and he makes it perfectly clear IMO.

 

[Flexdegea]

Listen that is awful, seriously upsetting no doubt.

WTF has it got to do with football and the FA?

You are exactly the type everyone has been talking about

 

[RUCK4444]

Because so much is made about BLM but what about anti-Irish/republican sentiment? Sentiment is putting it mildly.
Read his post and he makes it perfectly clear IMO.

The FA and more importantly the clubs and players have made it abundantly clear that they choose to take the knee against all forms of prejudice, not solely BLM.

So that includes anti-Irish and Mcclean.

 

[Eire Red United]

I thought that was obvious from previous posts

Fair enough mate hadn’t seen previous! hard to tell online at times! Seen the newbie badge and wasn’t sure!

 

[RUCK4444]

You are exactly the type everyone has been talking about

I thought my ears were burning.

Read my past posts I'm entirely anti-racist and fully support the continuation of taking the knee.

 

[Paxi]

The FA and more importantly the clubs and players have made it abundantly clear that they choose to take the knee against all forms of prejudice, not solely BLM.

So that includes anti-Irish and Mcclean.

But is Maclean’s point why was nothing done when he received all this abuse years before BLM happened? He has previously called them out on their cowardice and he’s done it again and correctly so.

 

[Red00012]

It’s daft isn’t it.

“Oh you like the money that comes with playing in England though...”

Yes all of this would go away if McClean played in Scotland ....

 

[RUCK4444]

The history of Ireland and Britain - which let’s face it is something you don’t have a clue about nor are you interested in - ensures that anti-Irish tropes and abuse in the UK are conducted in a vastly different context than whatever needling you’ve experienced as a Welshman.

OK so what your saying is that my experience of racial abuse / stereotyping doesn't count as much as James Mccleans right? Well that's funny because I've been hammered in here for drawing the same example between Mcclean throwing his name into the hat with ethnic minorities for which taking the knee was started.

To be clear, my opinion is in no way swayed by the Irish connection, I've had absolutely nothing but good experiences with Irish people in business and in social life. This is about James Mcclean the man. I struggle to find compassion for a man that posts pictures of himself teaching his children wearing a balaclava. I mean it's clear he draws this attention to himself.

 

[Paxi]

Yes all of this would go away if McClean played in Scotland ....

Maybe he should be made to play for Linfield for his dim, opinionated behaviour.

 

[Withnail]

He's not being attacked for being Irish. He's being attacked for bowing his head down during God Save the Queen. Other Irish players don't get the abuse he gets. Anyways it's up to the FA to sort it out, but what exactly can they do? Allow him to come only come out onto the pitch once the song is over? I've no idea how you get around this one

Anyways I'm not gonna get into it again. There's some who staunchly defend him on here, and others who despise him. The debate is not worth it.

Is that a crime?

 

[tompo18]

I've always wondered why Irish Nationalists that have real issues with England choose to live and work in England.

 

[Sweet Square]

Is that a crime?

Don't give the tories any ideas!

 

[Withnail]

I’ll give you an example and a snapshot of my thinking here.

I’m a Welsh Catholic. My whole life I’ve been called names like bible basher, sheep sh&gger etc especially outside of Wales of course.
I don’t for one minute think I should list my own experience alongside that of ethnic minorities who now are FINALLY getting some recognition for hundreds of years of racial oppression.

That’s because I don’t feel I’ve been ‘Racially abused’ (certainly not in the same context) and similarly I don’t think this idiot should. Like others have said, there’s no anti Irish racist abuse about Irish players. It’s just not a ‘thing.’

But James McCarthy thinks we should perhaps take the knee for him and his personal crusade to fight against the poppy? I mean come off it.

I’m not saying he should be abused, not at all, just that there’s a difference and him drawing the comparison is, well, a stretch.

I don't think there is any parallel to be drawn between the experience of a Welsh Catholic and and Northern Irish Catholic and it's quite ignorant to attempt one.

 

[RUCK4444]

But is Maclean’s point why was nothing done when he received all this abuse years before BLM happened? He has previously called them out on their cowardice and he’s done it again and correctly so.

Not to demean his argument but he's chosen a particularly prickly hill to die on with the poppy situation. That's fine, his decision, move on. But then he does the Balaclava thing, this to many including myself, puts an entirely different spin on his stance on things and this issue.

I detest the FA personally but stamping out racism is very difficult for a football governing body like them, they can't stop idiots using the mail, they can't really stop idiots online. What are they supposed to do? Whether they disagree or agree with his stance on the poppy or not, I don't see what they can do.

Even now, the only reason players are taking the knee is because they want to, after a worldwide movement. It wasn't ushered in solely for BLM by the FA in spite of Mcclean. That's my point.