Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[b82REZ]

Dont really care.. The level of youth involvement last night was top class. You won’t find anything like it. I didn’t even care if we didn’t score. Oles man and squad management is one of the best in the world. End of..

I'm assuming you has the same unwavering support for LvG when he gave practically every u23 player some game time in his last season.

When Ole starts seriously blooding youth in games that aren't dead rubber your argument will start carrying some weight. Until then he's doing no different to any other manager.

 

[FatherWolff]

I'm assuming you has the same unwavering support for LvG when he gave practically every u23 player some game time in his last season.

When Ole starts seriously blooding youth in games that aren't dead rubber your argument will start carrying some weight. Until then he's doing no different to any other manager.

You must be having a laugh! We had the youngest squad in the league last season, and Ole didn’t “blood” in youth? I feel so sorry for you guys not seeing what he is doing to the club! On all levels..

 

[b82REZ]

You must be having a laugh! We had the youngest squad in the league last season, and Ole didn’t “blood” in youth? I feel so sorry for you guys not seeing what he is doing to the club! On all levels..

There's recognising his use of youth, but then there's doing what you're doing and leaning too far the other way and sounding delusional over it.

Greenwood is the only success to his name so far. Amad and Shoretire may eventually end up on that list. Williams doesn't look good enough, McT was introduced by Jose.

Please do enlighten me on the other youth players Ole has blooded in during his tenure...

 

[FatherWolff]

There's recognising his use of youth, but then there's doing what you're doing and leaning too far the other way and sounding delusional over it.

Greenwood is the only success to his name so far. Amad and Shoretire may eventually end up on that list. Williams doesn't look good enough, McT was introduced by Jose.

Please do enlighten me on the other youth players Ole has blooded in during his tenure...

You really should watch more youth games, maybe you’ll get it then. Where we are heading. The players we are signing and the links that are being made with the first team. I was over the moon for it yesterday, and you are telling me that I’m wrong and can’t be happy for it? Mate, it is top class! Try being happy about it.. end of argument and debate.

 

[b82REZ]

You really should watch more youth games, maybe you’ll get it then. Where we are heading. The players we are signing and the links that are being made with the first team. I was over the moon for it yesterday, and you are telling me that I’m wrong and can’t be happy for it? Mate, it is top class! Try being happy about it.. end of argument and debate.

Ahh, so your initial point of how Ole is doing world class things with our youth in the first team was BS. You've moved the goalposts so much from your original point they're almost in Eastlands.

I've never said out youth team don't look impressive, but that isn't Ole. There seems to be a recent trend of attributing any minute success to Solksjaer. Let's start signing his praises on our amazing youth when they're mainstays in the first team. Not for them looking good at a lower level. The step up to first team is huge and even Fergie struggled getting some very promising youngsters to look good on the big stage.

 

[FatherWolff]

Ahh, so your initial point of how Ole is doing world class things with our youth in the first team was BS. You've moved the goalposts so much from your original point they're almost in Eastlands.

I've never said out youth team don't look impressive, but that isn't Ole. There seems to be a recent trend of attributing any minute success to Solksjaer. Let's start signing his praises on our amazing youth when they're mainstays in the first team. Not for them looking good at a lower level. The step up to first team is huge and even Fergie struggled getting some very promising youngsters to look good on the big stage.

Moving goalsposts? Wtf No, what he did yesterday was world class! You either know it or you don’t. You have either been there, or you haven’t. You sit there, wait and sulk, and I will be over here. Happy about it

 

[b82REZ]

Moving goalsposts? Wtf No, what he did yesterday was world class! You either know it or you don’t. You have either been there, or you haven’t. You sit there, wait and sulk, and I will be over here. Happy about it

The toppest of top reds.

Explain what he did that was worldclass. Because a dull 0-0 draw is the anthesis of worldclass.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I'm kind of confused, what part of his management was 'world class' last night? Ignoring the hysterical hyperbole, I'm not really getting the point. He rotated the squad and threw some youngsters on in a rather dull game.

 

[b82REZ]

I'm kind of confused, what part of his management was 'world class' last night? Ignoring the hysterical hyperbole, I'm not really getting the point. He rotated the squad and threw some youngsters on in a rather dull game.

I've asked but he's already moved the goalposts once so I don't expect I'll ever get an answer.

Appears sammsky made a few alts before he was banned.

 

[pocco]

I'm kind of confused, what part of his management was 'world class' last night? Ignoring the hysterical hyperbole, I'm not really getting the point. He rotated the squad and threw some youngsters on in a rather dull game.

It's mental. I like how he kept throwing in 'end of' or 'end of discussion' on every post because he knew he was sinking.

Then asked about youth promoted under Ole, he refers to the youth team (the work of Nicky Butt and others over the last 4 or 5 years), yet when told he's moving the goalposts he can't even see what he's doing

If doing what he's done is world class in terms of promoting youth, then Arteta must be absolutely legendary.

 

[R'hllor]

Oh do shut up.

 

[BR7]

You really should watch more youth games, maybe you’ll get it then. Where we are heading. The players we are signing and the links that are being made with the first team. I was over the moon for it yesterday, and you are telling me that I’m wrong and can’t be happy for it? Mate, it is top class! Try being happy about it.. end of argument and debate.

Errr I’ve been watching youth football for well over 10 years and disagree with you. Who was it whose influence ended up bringing in the classy Scandinavians like Eikram and Etzaz Hussein who are now greats at Molde along with another 3-4 Scandinavian kids who wouldn’t survive the championship of today?

 

[Hellboy]

There's recognising his use of youth, but then there's doing what you're doing and leaning too far the other way and sounding delusional over it.

Greenwood is the only success to his name so far. Amad and Shoretire may eventually end up on that list. Williams doesn't look good enough, McT was introduced by Jose.

Please do enlighten me on the other youth players Ole has blooded in during his tenure...

Greenwood would have been a success
under any manager because he’s that good

If anything he regressed under Ole, from 18 goals to a shadow of the player he was last season.

 

[Tom Cato]

Greenwood would have been a success
under any manager because he’s that good

If anything he regressed under Ole, from 18 goals to a shadow of the player he was last season.

Good job. You managed to contradict yourself in a 3 line post.

 

[Foxbatt]

His man management seems to be very good. From the outside better than Moyes, LVG and Jose combined.
It's his coaching team that I always had major issues with. If he can get better coaches with more top class experience then he can come to the very top.

 

[Robbie Boy]

His man management seems to be very good. From the outside better than Moyes, LVG and Jose combined.
It's his coaching team that I always had major issues with. If he can get better coaches with more top class experience then he can come to the very top.

His man management seems absolutely top class alright. It's refreshing not having constant negativity surrounding the club.

 

[b82REZ]

Greenwood would have been a success
under any manager because he’s that good

If anything he regressed under Ole, from 18 goals to a shadow of the player he was last season.

I don't agree with that assessment.

Greenwood is going through second season syndrome. He performed well above expectations last season, so he's probably levelled closer to his current level this year.

I still feel he'll be one of the best in the world in 5 years so not too worried by his patchy form this season.

I've criticised Ole plenty when he deserves it, but his handling of Mason has been excellent.

 

[SAFMUTD]

You watch the player. Do they fight for every single ball. Do they fight intelligently. Do they fight till the end. Does their head ever drop when they fail. Do they ever fight too much.

Of course, you actually have to be able to recognize the above things, but bottom line: if you tick the first four and not the fifth (and then some other key things as well) you're a person who will do whatever it takes to win*. And this is how you get things like Sheringham/Yorke, for example. HAAAAAAAATE each other off the pitch but on the pitch they have only one shared purpose. Rooney on the left? No problem, boss. Martial on the left? Sulky McSulkster. Pogba being played deeper when he wants to play #10? An attitude of 'Nah, I'm not gonna even really try - then they'll see how important I am to the team'.

Both Martial and Pogba would fail several of those first four items, if not all of them.

Posted about this years ago. SAF signed players who were win-at-all-costs-including-personal/"warriors" first and good footballers second.

* Major ultra important Note: In any organization, it's also important to weed out the negative 'will do anything to win' people.

So is a perception isn't it? Really hard to rate it besides the obvious cases like Martial who everyone can see doesn't give a feck.

It's subjective and definitely should not be used to rate a team above performances as the post I replied says.

 

[Mickson]

It's mental. I like how he kept throwing in 'end of' or 'end of discussion' on every post because he knew he was sinking.

Then asked about youth promoted under Ole, he refers to the youth team (the work of Nicky Butt and others over the last 4 or 5 years), yet when told he's moving the goalposts he can't even see what he's doing

If doing what he's done is world class in terms of promoting youth, then Arteta must be absolutely legendary.

I had a hectic discussion with about 10 people. I claimed that Ole's youth record isn't so good lately, and hell broke loose. Yes, he played Shoretire now but before that, he was very careful with youth. And you can make an argument that he still is. Just look at Amad. Just because he played Greenwood over two years ago, they still think that Ole is some master youth coach who just gives debut after debut. To paraphrase Michael Cox: "Leicester is a better team than Man United with and without the ball", yet people are happy with what they see. Well, obviously Ole isn't the worst manager and he has done some decent things. But it's really funny how people, for real, think Ole is going to do wonders here, and if you think otherwise, you're a WUM or just hate Ole. But we have an agenda apparently, and all the footballing experts too apparently...

 

[Foxbatt]

You watch the player. Do they fight for every single ball. Do they fight intelligently. Do they fight till the end. Does their head ever drop when they fail. Do they ever fight too much.

Of course, you actually have to be able to recognize the above things, but bottom line: if you tick the first four and not the fifth (and then some other key things as well) you're a person who will do whatever it takes to win*. And this is how you get things like Sheringham/Yorke, for example. HAAAAAAAATE each other off the pitch but on the pitch they have only one shared purpose. Rooney on the left? No problem, boss. Martial on the left? Sulky McSulkster. Pogba being played deeper when he wants to play #10? An attitude of 'Nah, I'm not gonna even really try - then they'll see how important I am to the team'.

Both Martial and Pogba would fail several of those first four items, if not all of them.

Posted about this years ago. SAF signed players who were win-at-all-costs-including-personal/"warriors" first and good footballers second.

* Major ultra important Note: In any organization, it's also important to weed out the negative 'will do anything to win' people.

At least get the information correct. It's not Sheringham and Yorke. It's Sheringham and Andy Cole. You could be a newbie?

 

[BR7]

I had a hectic discussion with about 10 people. I claimed that Ole's youth record isn't so good lately, and hell broke loose. Yes, he played Shoretire now but before that, he was very careful with youth. And you can make an argument that he still is. Just look at Amad. Just because he played Greenwood over two years ago, they still think that Ole is some master youth coach who just gives debut after debut. To paraphrase Michael Cox: "Leicester is a better team than Man United with and without the ball", yet people are happy with what they see. Well, obviously Ole isn't the worst manager and he has done some decent things. But it's really funny how people, for real, think Ole is going to do wonders here, and if you think otherwise, you're a WUM or just hate Ole. But we have an agenda apparently, and all the footballing experts too apparently...

Good post, that is exactly it, you criticise ole and you get jumped on.

 

[peridigm]

The comment about Young.

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[passing-wind]

The comment about Young.

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[UnofficialDevil]

like i say to hollow earth theorists, you’re free to believe whatever you like.

Flat earth theorists too, your free to believe whatever you like, when you say he’s going to be here for a long time.

 

[passing-wind]

The next 7 games will determine our season I reckon. We need consistentcy across the board to rack up points.

My standing with Ole is that eventually he will end up in a situation similar to Southgates. Being in a position where due to the quality of the squad, much is expected, however I don't see neither of them as managers winning anything substantial due to their managerial capabilities.

By all accounts let the club continue to build and have another solid window but the better this squad becomes the higher expectation. If we aren't looking at the league by the 2022 season we will need someone else to match the aspirations, there will be absolutely no excuses exactly the same as Lampard having spent considerable amounts it raises the need for success.

 

[Keanes Magic Hat]

I had a hectic discussion with about 10 people. I claimed that Ole's youth record isn't so good lately, and hell broke loose. Yes, he played Shoretire now but before that, he was very careful with youth. And you can make an argument that he still is. Just look at Amad. Just because he played Greenwood over two years ago, they still think that Ole is some master youth coach who just gives debut after debut. To paraphrase Michael Cox: "Leicester is a better team than Man United with and without the ball", yet people are happy with what they see. Well, obviously Ole isn't the worst manager and he has done some decent things. But it's really funny how people, for real, think Ole is going to do wonders here, and if you think otherwise, you're a WUM or just hate Ole. But we have an agenda apparently, and all the footballing experts too apparently...

We have a better goal difference than Leicester we must be better at something than them!

 

[Foxbatt]

The next 7 games will determine our season I reckon. We need consistentcy across the board to rack up points.

My standing with Ole is that eventually he will end up in a situation similar to Southgates. Being in a position where due to the quality of the squad, much is expected, however I don't see neither of them as managers winning anything substantial due to their managerial capabilities.

By all accounts let the club continue to build and have another solid window but the better this squad becomes the higher expectation. If we aren't looking at the league by the 2022 season we will need someone else to match the aspirations, there will be absolutely no excuses exactly the same as Lampard having spent considerable amounts it raises the need for success.

I have my issues with Ole but the quality of the squad is not that good. Yes part of is due to him buying two players that we don't need. Maguire and DVB. I think DVB is a quality player but Ole doesn't know how to use him. Maguire would be good in a Jose team. We need to replace the Matic, Fred and McTominay. I don't think they are simply good enough to be the main players in any club that wants to win trophies. We need a CF and a right side midfield player and at least one top class CB.

 

[Matriac]

I had a hectic discussion with about 10 people. I claimed that Ole's youth record isn't so good lately, and hell broke loose. Yes, he played Shoretire now but before that, he was very careful with youth. And you can make an argument that he still is. Just look at Amad. Just because he played Greenwood over two years ago, they still think that Ole is some master youth coach who just gives debut after debut. To paraphrase Michael Cox: "Leicester is a better team than Man United with and without the ball", yet people are happy with what they see. Well, obviously Ole isn't the worst manager and he has done some decent things. But it's really funny how people, for real, think Ole is going to do wonders here, and if you think otherwise, you're a WUM or just hate Ole. But we have an agenda apparently, and all the footballing experts too apparently...

For the last year because of the pandemic it's not as easy to give an extra youth a chance to sit on the bench and maybe make an appearance in games where we have unexpected injuries, since they have to transfer isolation bubbles ahead of time. Amad just came to the club and country not long ago. He's an immense talent for the future, but he barely played for Atalanta. There's nothing saying that he should have been playing much more for us already other than the hype our fans have for him. With the arrival of Amad we've brought three other big talents up to train regularly with the First team (Shoretire, Galbraith and Mejbri who's injured now), because they are ready, even though this means they can't train or hang out with U23 without changing bubbles.

And who are really football experts? People in the media are there because they write well or have an outgoing personality. With all due respect to Michael Cox, but if he's such an expert at tactics, why is he writing about it and not working as a coach for a (successful) team?
It's a lot easier to analyze things from the outside where in theory you could come up with anything, instead of working closely with a team and the set constraints you have with your specific pool of players and what they can do.

Of the so-called experts in the media you can find many who are positive towards Ole as well. And not to mention that many of the negative ones have never had anything positive to say about United anyway. They are critical because that causes divide which causes engagement which leads to earning money.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Michael Cox also thinks United's treble winning side is not even a top 10 PL team. Why football fans take his word as gospel baffles me.

 

[90 + 5min]

I had a hectic discussion with about 10 people. I claimed that Ole's youth record isn't so good lately, and hell broke loose. Yes, he played Shoretire now but before that, he was very careful with youth. And you can make an argument that he still is. Just look at Amad. Just because he played Greenwood over two years ago, they still think that Ole is some master youth coach who just gives debut after debut. To paraphrase Michael Cox: "Leicester is a better team than Man United with and without the ball", yet people are happy with what they see. Well, obviously Ole isn't the worst manager and he has done some decent things. But it's really funny how people, for real, think Ole is going to do wonders here, and if you think otherwise, you're a WUM or just hate Ole. But we have an agenda apparently, and all the footballing experts too apparently...

First, Cox is a "expert" as a everyone from age 1 to 100+. I don't know why people listen to some "experts" that really don't know what they talk about. It is his opinion and that it.

Solskjaer is not a manager where he will just give youth time. It is about giving right amount time at right moment to right players. We can't have a senior team that is like U23 team. There need to be balance. Right now, we have one of youngest squad in Premier League. That says a lot.

 

[hungrywing]

At least get the information correct. It's not Sheringham and Yorke. It's Sheringham and Andy Cole. You could be a newbie?

Whoops. I knew that sounded wrong when I typed it.

Good luck with the whole passive-aggressive thing.

 

[hungrywing]

So is a perception isn't it? Really hard to rate it besides the obvious cases like Martial who everyone can see doesn't give a feck.

It's subjective and definitely should not be used to rate a team above performances as the post I replied says.

I do agree that you'd need to trust someone a heck of a lot to assign them to scout such a subjective set of traits.

Not sure what you mean by that post you'd initially replied to trying to use mentality to 'rate a team above performances'.

Mentality comes first. NOT performances. People need to understand the mentality/ego etc is the foundation and comes first and it takes time.

I think (s)he's just arguing that Ole's still working on instilling 'mentality/ego' and to be patient and that performances will come later.

 

[Foxbatt]

To me it's a strange situation with Ole. I want him to succeed. He is a legend and it's seems an all-round nice guy.
Then I get angry with him because I see that he is not doing everything to succeed. ( In my opinion). One of the biggest issues I have him is his coaching staff. No Manager in the PL has time to coach the players now. They are overall in charge and get the coaching staff to do the training.
If Ole gets proven and experienced coaches he can become successful.
I had no problems with his team selection yesterday apart from bringing on Rashford but I guess he maybe trying to see if Rashford can play deeper and be a creative player in the middle?

 

[charlenefan]

All 3 of then were a laughing stock when he signed them.

We laughed at them lot when they spunk millions for those 3. The thread is still here

Alison who?
Vvd for 70m?
Fabinho? Glad we got fred instead.

Certainly no where rated as good buys let alone world class

You just made all of that up

 

[tomaldinho1]

I'm kind of confused, what part of his management was 'world class' last night? Ignoring the hysterical hyperbole, I'm not really getting the point. He rotated the squad and threw some youngsters on in a rather dull game.

It's really weird in here recently, it's like anything he does is super analysed and declared brilliant or terrible by either side.

Last night was a dead rubber and we were professional whilst allowing rotation. Nothing to write home about, Lindelof's knee was the only real talking point, let's move on as there is a big game this Sunday.

 

[Robbie Boy]

You just made all of that up

 

[Robbie Boy]

It's really weird in here recently, it's like anything he does is super analysed and declared brilliant or terrible by either side.

Last night was a dead rubber and we were professional whilst allowing rotation. Nothing to write home about, Lindelof's knee was the only real talking point, let's move on as there is a big game this Sunday.

Makes it very hard to take certain posters serious from either 'side'.

 

[Matriac]

It's really weird in here recently, it's like anything he does is super analysed and declared brilliant or terrible by either side.

Last night was a dead rubber and we were professional whilst allowing rotation. Nothing to write home about, Lindelof's knee was the only real talking point, let's move on as there is a big game this Sunday.

Well it was pointed out a while ago that there are very few pages on here if we do a decent job (which a professional performance is), while its flooded if we lose or even draw.

Some of the posters who are more vocal when we have a bad result said that on a decent performance there's nothing to discuss, that nobody is posting their opinions so there's no debate back and forth.

Thus I've made it a point to some times remember to post my opinion after a decent result.

Very solid job by him today.
Set up us strongly from start so that there would be no doubt, but we never had to work hard either, while still managing to rest some key players as well. Many complained about us playing Bruno, but with all the injuries there was no one else that could play there. (I initially wanted Mata there, but he wasn't available).
Had they scored on the pen they might have tried to push more for it, so I'm glad we didn't have a bunch of kids on the field in the first half. I always wanted us to make first half a snoozefest so that Real Sociedad would mentally give up. You could see that they actually did try a bit at first, so starting a weaker team than we did would have been naive.

Also lots of complaints about 3 keepers on the bench, but that was just done for fun, there was nobody else we could put on there (we even had room for 1 more, 12 in Europe compared to 9 in the Prem). Every other senior player had some form of injury, and from the U-23 Mejbri is injured as well. We couldn't easily add anyone else like we normally could when there's no pandemic since they have to transfer between isolation-bubbles and be ineligible to train with the rest of their U-23 squad for a long period just to sit on our bench. Be glad we have 3-4 of them at all training with the senior squad.

Great in-game management. Putting on Rashford at half-time made sense as there weren't much attacking quality left when Bruno was taken off. And we got to rest 3 starters for Sunday with just one half under their belt.
We got to give two kids a decent chunk of minutes, both looks very promising, but didn't produce very big things, so saddling them with a full game at this point would be harsh. Even broke an all-time record of youngest United player in Europe.
Finished the game with 5 out of 10 outfield players (+ the keeper) from our academy.

Nothing flashy today, but this was always going to be a going through the motions thing. I'm glad we controlled it and never made it interesting, the whole team should be fit for Sunday since nobody really worked up a sweat. (Though maybe Martial took that part a bit too far.)

I admit I probably overdid it, but was referencing stuff from matchday thread which if I really think about it I should definitely ignore and forget since few of them are active in other threads anyway.

 

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[Foxbatt]

Well it was pointed out a while ago that there are very few pages on here if we do a decent job (which a professional performance is), while its flooded if we lose or even draw.

Some of the posters who are more vocal when we have a bad result said that on a decent performance there's nothing to discuss, that nobody is posting their opinions so there's no debate back and forth.

Thus I've made it a point to some times remember to post my opinion after a decent result.



I admit I probably overdid it, but was referencing stuff from matchday thread which if I really think about it I should definitely ignore and forget since few of them are active in other threads anyway.

The match day thread should be ignored for any rational analysis. It's just the pent up emotions coming out.