It was. It’s fecking dire at the moment though
Is Ole’s football really any better than José & LVG’s?
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No too often it’s every bit as bad, we have patches of better football but it always seems to come and go by mistake.
It's better, but he's nowhere close to unlocking the true potential of this squad, I don't truly believe he's capable of it.
This is it really. I just wish, for once, we got a attacking manager who comes in with a clear plan and board actually back him.
Let's stop deceiving ourselves here, have often supported the guy but this season has been a chore to watch apart from Leeds and Southampton (even this was due to playing 10 men but fair fecks the team did take advantage of it). Even when we where winning with the odd goal, the performances where often shit with everyone believing we would eventually get better but rather what as happened is we've gotten even worse.
What grates me more than anything is how cowardly his tactics are, why we constantly need 2 DMs against teams we are clearly better than I find hard to understand. And someone please remind Bruno he is midfielder and not a striker.
What grates me more than anything is how cowardly his tactics are, why we constantly need 2 DMs against teams we are clearly better than I find hard to understand. And someone please remind Bruno he is midfielder and not a striker.
we have no other midfielders fit who can play.
The tactics really are to score a flukey goal out of individual brilliance and then to kill the opposing team on the counter when they come seeking the equalizer.
We are not coached to break teams down.
And half the time we are not motivated either, like tonight for example.
We are not coached to break teams down.
And half the time we are not motivated either, like tonight for example.
You’re forgetting we’ve got McSchweinsteger or is it McGullit, no sorry McGerrard & the Premier Leagues most underrated player to replace him & we win every game they play so we’ll be fine.
Back to the topic, though - bar a few counter attacking matches we’ve never controlled a game as we did under LVG for periods; that isn’t saying LVG was the answer but OgS has some improving to do.
That isn’t the reason we play two sitting midfielders every week.
Yes, we've scored a lot more goals this season than we did with either of those two in charge.
Tonight was horrendous though. We're probably lacking in personnel a bit with the spate of recent injuries but that's inexcusable - particularly off the back of two more 0-0's.
Tonight was horrendous though. We're probably lacking in personnel a bit with the spate of recent injuries but that's inexcusable - particularly off the back of two more 0-0's.
we don’t.
Less boring than LVG football. The first season under mourinho was actually fun - we just missed bucket loads of chances every game. It got steadily worse and worse after the first few weeks of his 2nd season though.
Lets be honest none of the 4 managers post Fergie have played great football or got great results
Lets be honest none of the 4 managers post Fergie have played great football or got great results
lolz.
The footballs fecking shite. Let’s just be honest now. Most of our matches are ugly to watch and nobody outside of the club thinks we’re any good to watch. Ex United players don’t think we’re good to watch. I go on other forums, I speak to mates and it’s a unanimous United are shite to watch.
Usual suspects coming in here @Wumminator @RUCK4444 and lying to themselves that it’s otherwise.
Good performances are 1 in 5. Same old story against the shit who park the bus.
That’s now Palace twice, West Brom twice and Sheffield United where you can comfortably say the performance of our team was a 1/10. Three teams with the worse defensive records in the league and we scored two goals from open play against them.
If I was to rank the aesthetically pleasing nature of our football under our managers post Fergie . It would go
Lvg - 2/10
Mourinho - 3/10
Ole - 3.5/10
What’s looking quite hilariously ironic at the moment is we’re heading down the line of having an identical season to the one we had under Mourinho in 17/18. A solid first half of the season with good goal scoring numbers but below average football... to then sleepwalking our way through the second half of the season with neither.
What’s that now, 3 wins in 10 in the league?
Beyond the blitz against Southampton we’re averaging a goal a game at the moment. We’re no longer top scorers in the league. We scored 68 goals in that 2018 season, we’ve currently got 53 with eleven games left. So at this rate we’ll struggle to make that total.
Much like that season I think we’ll be okay in the end because the teams behind us aren’t very consistent either. Leicester and Liverpool’s injury problems should see us still finish in the top 4 but yeah it’s been said before and will be said again. This team will never ever play exciting attacking football under this regime.
Usual suspects coming in here @Wumminator @RUCK4444 and lying to themselves that it’s otherwise.
Good performances are 1 in 5. Same old story against the shit who park the bus.
That’s now Palace twice, West Brom twice and Sheffield United where you can comfortably say the performance of our team was a 1/10. Three teams with the worse defensive records in the league and we scored two goals from open play against them.
If I was to rank the aesthetically pleasing nature of our football under our managers post Fergie . It would go
Lvg - 2/10
Mourinho - 3/10
Ole - 3.5/10
What’s looking quite hilariously ironic at the moment is we’re heading down the line of having an identical season to the one we had under Mourinho in 17/18. A solid first half of the season with good goal scoring numbers but below average football... to then sleepwalking our way through the second half of the season with neither.
What’s that now, 3 wins in 10 in the league?
Beyond the blitz against Southampton we’re averaging a goal a game at the moment. We’re no longer top scorers in the league. We scored 68 goals in that 2018 season, we’ve currently got 53 with eleven games left. So at this rate we’ll struggle to make that total.
Much like that season I think we’ll be okay in the end because the teams behind us aren’t very consistent either. Leicester and Liverpool’s injury problems should see us still finish in the top 4 but yeah it’s been said before and will be said again. This team will never ever play exciting attacking football under this regime.
It's better than theirs's but it's not good football.
Need someone to unlock the potential of this squad. Unfortunately Ole not that person. It’s dire atm couldn’t bare watch this crap tonight
Many people, one of them being LVG(so I understand discounting his opinion) said that Ole was a pragmatic manager.
We've been a team trying to be more possession based, but not succeeding.
We've been a team trying to be more possession based, but not succeeding.
What I find concerning is how when you remove the 9v0 result this season, we are scoring less goals per game than we did in the season that Mourinho got sacked. How is this possible considering we have Fernandes?
Yes, at least the intent is there. With LvG it was 100 possession aim, never take risks. With Mourinho it similar to this, with the addition of very little attacking intent against good teams as we see with Spurs now. Under Moyes was just 0 imagination and his Everton style and a small time mentality.
Put Bruno in Van Gaals team and his football would be miles better.
Ole averages 1% more possession across a season than Mourinho. His possession stats are the same as last season. We are not trying to change much with regards to possession sadly.
I'd say put him in the 17/18 team. It already exceeds this team in terms of goals per game (when you remove the 9v0 result - a clear anomaly).
Fernandes in place of Lingard would have done that team very well. With him in the team, our goal output would probably have exploded.
Us under him as manager is worse than both Mourinho and LvG, with LvG we actually could play football against the top sides and not rely purely on counter attack football, under Mourinho I always felt we had the chance to win things but under ole I don't, we have become just another side settling for top 4 football now.
no its awful to watch, get the odd good game but usually that's more about the other teams allowing us space in behind, no surprise that Bruno's performances have disappeared and we are as bad as ever, like the rest have dragged him down to there level, over 2 years now and time to go i think, I don't just blame Ole, the standard of players here are miles from where a club who pays big fee's and massive wages should be. form since we went top of the league is woeful, mentality is another massive problem, don't see any leaders or winners, most don't seem hurt after drawing or losing, usually joking and laughing as they leave the park. my biggest concern was watching an interview before the Chelsea game and he talked about how Tuchel had changed the way they played and you could see the difference all ready in there team, after 2 years here and we see nothing different to what Jose and LVG played.
Because 2 of our front 3 from last season have scored 4 or 5 league goals between them all season. We’ve had Cavani chipping in with a few when fit and available but undoubtedly Martial and Greenwood haven’t delivered goals this season. At least Rashford still has although he could have had many more goals too. That is a major floor for us.
Yeah the 17/18 team was good if the manager wasn't trying to rip it apart from the inside by falling out with some of his better players that season (Shaw, Pogba and Martial). Had we signed say Bruno instead of Sanchez in January 2018, then that team could've exploded - but Mourinho was always far too much of a twat to have let that happen.
Sometimes we play good football. Most of the time, it's either bad or a mix of both.
Under Louis and Jose it was very up and down too. All the managers post fergie have gone through inconsistency.
At least, Van Gaal had a clear plan. Keep possession first, attack later. With Mourinho and Ole, it's never clear what's the tactical plan.
Under Louis and Jose it was very up and down too. All the managers post fergie have gone through inconsistency.
At least, Van Gaal had a clear plan. Keep possession first, attack later. With Mourinho and Ole, it's never clear what's the tactical plan.
Under LVG I never thought we never had a chance to beat any team and he had worse players than now. Under Jose apart from his half a season I never felt before the game that we could lose any game.
Now I never expect to win any games.
Now I never expect to win any games.
It's better. Compared to Mourinho, at least he wants to play decent football unlike Mr Heritage who lives to spoil the experience of everyone. And we score a lot more than under Van Gaal so there's that.
Having said that, it's not good. It's all a bit... random. We're disjointed most of the time, and ridiculously reliant on Bruno Fernandes. And even with his completely insane productivity, we're not exactly special.
Having said that, it's not good. It's all a bit... random. We're disjointed most of the time, and ridiculously reliant on Bruno Fernandes. And even with his completely insane productivity, we're not exactly special.
I don't think that was really the plan. We were good in the first 2/3 of the pitch under Van Gaal but we just didn't know what to do with the ball once we got into the final 3rd. Its why the possession got tumescent - especially as we were carrying Rooney in that team for 'my captain always plays'.
The tools he was working with were frankly shite in the attacking third - and that was mostly his own fault.
Van Gaal loved his second striker/CAMs - like Thomas Muller. He would much rather play someone as high risk as Bruno as his CAM than Pogba in his CM.Van Gaal would fecking hate Bruno
He’d be playing Donny, Pogba & Matic.
We've scored 53 goals in 27 games this season whilst playing super amazing attacking football. In 17/18, we scored 51 in 27 whilst playing super amazing defensive football. I think this place suffers from amnesia.
I think he’d play Bruno at a striker or not at all. I can’t see him playing someone who can’t keep the ball in his midfield.
Bruno doesn't play in midfield for us now too. To me he's quite clearly a second striker in the mould of a Griezmann and Muller rather than a CAM like prime Ozil, Sneijder etc.
Exactly this. People can shit on Van Gaal, but at least there was some structure, the team followed a plan, good or not. I remember Bayern didn't play some amazing football under Van Gaal either, but it worked and they always could beat top teams. It was boring posesssion football and Ribery, Robben just did there thing. The difference though is that Bayern at least went for coaches that could use the base Van Gaal implemented.
No. At least under LVG we had a clear style but with a lot worse a squad. Partly LVGs fault, partly Woodward. If LVG had this squad he'd have fared a lot better, especially having Bruno to create.
I don't feel like it's much different to Jose's. We win games without playing well or being exciting. Time will tell if Ole can even match his achievements, despite pumping another couple hundred mill into the team Jose had.
I don't feel like it's much different to Jose's. We win games without playing well or being exciting. Time will tell if Ole can even match his achievements, despite pumping another couple hundred mill into the team Jose had.
It isn't perfect by any stretch but by and large we've been better at creating against teams who sit deep on us. Obviously we are suffering without Pogba in the side.
We'd have also scored a lot more goals if our forwards weren't so wasteful. Rashford and Martial have squandered multiple good chances this season. We have to improve in that respect but there was never even the intent with Mourinho.