We don’t have to have them for 4 years. I think that’s the main problem. Any of those managers for 2 season with the aim of automatically trying to compete... like what Conte did at Inter.
Would bring confidence and standards back to this fanbase.
Next United manager 2020/21 edition
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Would bring confidence and standards back to this fanbase.
I don't understand people wanting Conte or Allegri. We play pretty dour, cautious football as it is. How is hiring one of the Italians going to remedy that?
If we're going to get rid of Ole, we might as well go with a modern coach with fresh ideas instead of bringing in the services of an older coach - something that hasn't exactly worked for us in recent history.
I was hoping it would be Marco Rose, but considering he's now Dortmund bound I'm hoping for Nagelsmann.
If we're going to get rid of Ole, we might as well go with a modern coach with fresh ideas instead of bringing in the services of an older coach - something that hasn't exactly worked for us in recent history.
I was hoping it would be Marco Rose, but considering he's now Dortmund bound I'm hoping for Nagelsmann.
Honest question, what about the club operation over the past decade leads you to believe the club should be, or intends to be, challenging for titles?
People asking for a young progressive coach, isn’t that exactly what we’ve tried bring McKenna into the first team squad?
if you want progressive you likely also need patience for development
if you want progressive you likely also need patience for development
McKenna has been his position for what three years? I think that's plenty of patience.
Despite the fact they haven't spent their own money, the Glazers and the club has spent huge sums on players and contracts since Fergie retired. That's inarguable. Their folly has been their inability to target the right CEO, the right managers and the right players. It's been a complete shitshow from top to bottom. Do you really not think a better manager could have spent that money well though, and had us properly competing? The only reason Liverpool have won stuff recently is because they hired the right manager and bought the right players. It's not rocket science.
Our attack has improved in that time. Until recently we had most goals scored in the league.
But we drew with Palace so let’s all shite the bed
The counter argument to this point is when the club spend money, it feels like when top four is a doubt or the club hadn't achieved top four the previous season that the cheque book comes out. Do you honestly think Solskjaer will be backed with top quality signings in the summer if the club finish second? I don't.
Guess 3 straight goalless draws and scoring just once against top 6 opposition is acceptable all of a sudden because we had goal explosions twice...
My point still stands, Ole has spent 275 million in two full seasons as manager of this football club, again I don’t want him instantly sacked, but to say he’s not backed is crazy. We still spent 75 million this summer even with COVID.
Mourinho spent 400 million and he wasn’t “backed” apparently, even though with backing his football and attitude we not befitting of our football club.
Since SAF retired we could have bought several football teams for the amount all of them have been “backed”.
People on here sometimes act like every club gives every manager 400 million to spend, then, if the recruitment is shocking, they get a further 400 million or they are being hung out to dry.
Our hierarchy is crap and I also think it needs restructuring starting at the top as a lot of footballing decisions for our club regardless of manager have been poor. But considering we aren’t owned by an oil state or multi billionaire, we have certainly made money available even when we’ve missed the CL.
Playing against high lines in the Bundesliga. Different kettle of fish.
The best two managers in the league are Klopp and Pep, both have spent big. It's a necessity at this level.
Eh to say this reaction is based on that one result is just silly and doesn't promote any sort of decent discussion. You know full well it's not based on one isolated poor performance, you're not that naive mate. Yesterday's game was much like the West Brom performance a few weeks prior and plenty of others this season.
That may well be the case, but we do really need to spend £150m + every summer to win stuff? That seems insane to me. The club might be so blinded by a top 4 finish that they think they can get away with a few tweaks here and there and we're good to win the PL/CL. They might not give a feck about winning either. They are that level of incompetent/shit. But pretty much every club bar City and Chelsea has to accept the reality that they don't have an infinite pit of money to draw from. I think we've spent enough that we should have been more competitive over the years but I agree that the Glazers and Edward Woodward's incompetence will continue to trip us up for as long as they remain. I also think a better manager could have us competing if he was able to spend what our previous managers have.
Well rather than getting hung up on who was and wasn't backed, my point is that we need to go big this summer.
Wan-Bissaka, Maguire, Bruno and Cavani are the first-teamers that have been brought in under Ole. Our focus needs to be on bringing in 3 or 4 more players who are capable of starting for us. I'm less interested in the costs it takes to do that.
It should have been Poch but Ed and our owners jumped the gun and handed him a deal and will probably hand him a new deal. I don’t think the Poch ship has necessarily sailed though. If Ole and this team keep bottling it and the results don’t improve next season then possibly Poch is available in 2022.
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Yeah, I don't think it is too unfair to suggest that had we a single quality manager in the job since Sir Alex that we could have expected some titles. But with Glazers and Woodward making theses decisions we are severly crippled in that regard.
I don’t want another manager, I have a gut feeling Ole is the one we need. We just have an extremely limited squad and tbh are overachieving. Despite this half of the season. We don’t even have a a RW or a proper DM, We were 1st for the first time in so many years with this limited squad. Something the Great LVG and Jose couldn’t do. The players are being burnt out. Get 3 or 4 more players in and you’ll see the difference.
What has Nagelsman done to warrant this reputation of being the great hope? Ancelotti has done it all and is doing an excellent job with a limited set of players at Everton. He could do a great job with this team; we lack experience in the current coaching setup
; Nagelsmann has less experience than Ollie; he's managing in a one-team league.
There are lot of potential rough diamonds out there. You have to take chances and see where it takes us. There is no perfect manager out there. Keep trying until we get the right one. This giving time to managers is BS. They are paid to do a job and have to deliver it in max 18 months.
My first choice is Hassenhuttl. Nagelsmann would also be perfect. We just lost Rose and Poch.
My first choice is Hassenhuttl. Nagelsmann would also be perfect. We just lost Rose and Poch.
We have a lot of borderline average players, so Nagelsmann.
How silly. We are far from finished and Nagelsmann has eff all to do with it.
I like the direction Ole is going in. Hes not perfect and needs to improve in areas but you can see the improvement throughout the club especially from the mourinho years.
If he was to be replaced? Poch unfortunately has a 18mth contract at PSG. Whoever comes in has to work with youth and play attacking football. Personally dont want a results first repeat of Mourinho with Conte/Allegri/Simeone.
If we can't get Poch, then we need to find the next up and coming manager i.e. a young wenger, mourinho, lvg etc. Someone who has their own philosophy but also ideas that will change football in whatever league they end up in. Who those are i have no idea.
If he was to be replaced? Poch unfortunately has a 18mth contract at PSG. Whoever comes in has to work with youth and play attacking football. Personally dont want a results first repeat of Mourinho with Conte/Allegri/Simeone.
If we can't get Poch, then we need to find the next up and coming manager i.e. a young wenger, mourinho, lvg etc. Someone who has their own philosophy but also ideas that will change football in whatever league they end up in. Who those are i have no idea.
Hassenhuttl is damn near to getting a perfectly average team relegated. He is small time and would fold here.
Nagelsmann would not be perfect. He will quite likely go the way of Hassenhuttl if he moves to a decent league.
If we have to take a chance on someone, let it be a United man. There are plenty of them out there.
If not a United man I would choose Bielsa. Proven to have the personality required and a hell of a lot of fun.
Yeah we’ve had poor games. We’ve also had good ones, enough good ones to be second in the league. Which is not an achievement in itself no, but reading through thousands of posts preaching we are completely inept and basically the worst team in the league is painful and promotes even less decent discussion.
I’m as angry as anybody with last nights performance, it was one of the worst we’ve seen in Ole’s time as manager.
You’re right, lets hire Steve Bruce next.
How about no more nostalgic, romantic driven appointments for the love of god, sick of this ‘we are a houlier than thou club that gives managers time and thinks every ex United player can become Fergie just give them time and 1billion quid to spend’ attitude
Id sooner dissolve the club
People suggesting Conte and Allegri must be gluttons for punishment. They're much better at their jobs than Ole in certain aspects, but my word from a purely football perspective, it would be more misery for us to watch.
We spent just as much as them. And btw both play with high lines.
If it's another United man this club can't be helped anymore. Would be the worst idea. Who ex United player is out there doing a good job as a manager?
I dont want to be a party pooper but if Ole gets a CL place, he will continue here. Its what we the owners want and whats he is aiming for. Title was never on the table.
Young progressive coach doesn’t meant youth team to Manchester United first team. You have to prove you are ready for that level up. 3 years in maybe McKenna isn’t levels.
Of course, because it’s easy to be disinterested in the cost, when for our club, with the owners we have, it’s a reality.
You mean Hughes, Bruce, Giggs , Neville or Keane ? Great idea !
Of all the people you mention Bielsa as well ? Awesome !
What is this obsession with getting old players to be a manager? how is it of any benefit?
Let's get a coach that has actually qualified and built his way up through good performance, rather than his mate handing it to him on a plate.
So rather than Nagelsmann you'd prefer Giggs? or Hughes? maybe Paul Ince?
Let’s go out and hire Nagelsmann on a long deal. Give him 2 x €50-80 million players he really wants when he arrives. Maybe even finally sign Sancho whether he wants him on not. Add them to the mish mash squad of 4 other managers. Let him sell Matic Pogba Martial and whoever else won’t run enough for him and then not replace them but still call it a rebuild. then leave him off while only sanctioning a few conservative squad signings, adding a free transfer or a loan and a few youth punts here and there. Maybe a really old goalie that’ll never play. Pretend in the press like you’re serious about getting him the best players on the market but in reality the club are just monitoring the situation and then fire him when it doesn’t work out and start all over again. It’s absolutely foolproof.
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Well if he’s not a kitty he might just play players that suit his system. I’d argue 80% of our team is better than his current set of players.
His only issue would be his temperament of managing a big club.
It's 90's Liverpool logic. We need to be looking forward as a club, not digging into the past for answers.
What is this obsession with getting old players to be a manager? how is it of any benefit?
Let's get a coach that has actually qualified and built his way up through good performance, rather than his mate handing it to him on a plate.
So rather than Nagelsmann you'd prefer Giggs? or Hughes? maybe Paul Ince?
Exactly.
Liverpool messed around with that, it didn't work. They then went for the next best up and coming manager in Klopp and haven't look back.
Why do we keep making the same mistakes? Ole is doing a much better job at the man management side than Jose did, but clearly in game management is where we suffer.
Pregame tactically when we get a chance to work on a gameplan we do OK in that regard, but its the "this isn't going well, what do we change?" that he needs help with big time.
Unfortunately for many United fans, nobody is good enough, so we should never try anything because we'll fail anyway
Poch isn't good enough, Nagelsmann isn't good enough, even Pep was mentioned as not being good enough and someone who would fail here.
Unfortunately went for players as well. Mahrez wasn't good enough, Bruno Fernandes was said by many to be a weak league player and would suck here, Mane wasn't good enough, Ruben Dias wasn't good enough.
But those same people rate Fred as a long term first team option.
For that reason, it's impossible to sift through the logical in these threads, because it always divulges into why nobody is ever good enough.
Poch isn't good enough, Nagelsmann isn't good enough, even Pep was mentioned as not being good enough and someone who would fail here.
Unfortunately went for players as well. Mahrez wasn't good enough, Bruno Fernandes was said by many to be a weak league player and would suck here, Mane wasn't good enough, Ruben Dias wasn't good enough.
But those same people rate Fred as a long term first team option.
For that reason, it's impossible to sift through the logical in these threads, because it always divulges into why nobody is ever good enough.
Spot on, the elitism is astounding on here at times, and many rag on Barcelona for thinking they are more than just a club.