Saw this on reddit and really thought it was a worthwhile read
Explains in depth how badly our finances have been handled the past few years and why we still have a hangover from some of the deal we made
The first paragraph of that is so condescending.
As if Ole saying there won't be major deals would make Dortmund think"Yeah, they don't have loads of money, give them Sancho for £50m, poor things."
And apparently the Glazer debt hasnt affected our operatinf ability? Maybe if we weren't paying them £90m a year we could have 5 or 6 £50m+ defenders like City?
Sure you are.I AM NOT ITK.
I do not profess to be ITK.
I just happen to be good friends with a Manchester United first team coach - have been for decades.
I AM NOT ITK.
I do not profess to be ITK.
I just happen to be good friends with a Manchester United first team coach - have been for decades.
The above article is a good read, and it mirrors everything this first team coach has told me over the past couple of years.
The Mourinho era brought years of detriment to our football club... Though this coach also blames Woodward for giving into Mourinho...
He says (and I won't name him) the one thing that baffled him more than anything was the contract given to De Gea as he knew it would have future consequences, right through the club. He has also told me that the one thing Alex Ferguson was most baffled about over the years since his retirement was the sale of Jonny Evans under LvG... Fergie has since told this coach that he simply couldn't believe that sale. He was stunned by it.
But yeah, if any United fan wants the actual truth, the article above is as close as you're gonna get it.
Why do you assume I haven't read it? No need for the facepalm and aggression in your post.Face palm.
Read the feckin' article and try understand it. Not the first two sentences.
And NO, the fees paid to the Glazers and the debt DO NOT change how we operate financially as a football club. Please understand that. It's not that difficult to comprehend.
Unless the Glazers/Edward Woodward suddenly become competent directors I struggle to see how things get better. We're in a crapshoot with Woodward calling the shots.
Absolutely, but it's fashionable only to blame Mourinho.The true cost of LvG+Moyes era should be at least as costly as the Jose's one.
Basically we are the Enron of football.Then Mourinho decided he didn’t want Mkhitaryan and he’d swap him with Alexis Sanchez. Since it’s a ‘swap’ deal that means you’re not spending money right? Think again. As Kieran Maguire broke down in The Price of Football when all the costs were added up, if both players had played out their full contracts Sanchez would have ended up costing just £1 million less than Romelu Lukaku.
This is the reason the club shouldn't give the ultimate power to the manager in the transfer market. Mourinho maligned the club scouts and instead trusted his own independent scouts which saw us bring in more mediocrity.Interesting article, this blew my mind;
Basically we are the Enron of football.
Plus, he was our arguably our second best signing since Fergie. Signing him over an 80m striker meant we had money that Summer for Pogba, which we wouldn't have had otherwise.2) You can't really point to the problems inherent in signing a "free" (but actually very expensive) aging striker who will need to be replaced in a few years anyway as sign of our past problems under Mourinho when we did literally the same thing last summer too.
In fairness, they just thought they could run it how they did with Fergie. Thankfully they realised their mistake eventually.This is the reason the club shouldn't give the ultimate power to the manager in the transfer market.
While its true that LvG made some costly mistakes as well, i belive he truly had the long term health of the club in mind and wanted to do a rebuild in his image.Absolutely, but it's fashionable only to blame Mourinho.
The club ran itself as though it still had Fergie at the helm until they woke up in the Summer of 2018. It's been much better run since, the transfer board might of pissed off Mourinho royally but it was a very good move in hindsight.
What comes next is what we've seen since the Summer of 2018. A huge trimming of the bloated squad & wages, a transfer direction decided by a board rather than a manager, whilst maintaining a veto for the current manager, and a focus on bringing in young talent such as Diallo.what comes next? Find another world class manager, as City, Liverpool, (even Everton) have done... or grow your own ... with Ole!
Very much hope you are right... not seen too much 'wavering in the (management) ranks', so far!What comes next is what we've seen since the Summer of 2018. A huge trimming of the bloated squad & wages, a transfer direction decided by a board rather than a manager, whilst maintaining a veto for the current manager, and a focus on bringing in young talent such as Diallo.
Whether it's Ole who takes this direction to the next level, or more likely a new exceptional manager, we'll see, but there is no doubt in my mind that the club woke up in 2018 and are on the right path. I think the next manager, if that be the case, inherits a much better balanced and happier squad that he'll want to improve and tweak rather than rip up and start again.
It certainly seems the right direction, calling Sportings bluff on Bruno and saying no to Dortmund on Sancho were/are smart moves for example.Very much hope you are right... not seen too much 'wavering in the (management) ranks', so far!
I’d love to think the plc would’ve done it better, but I think chances are they would’ve also let Fergie pick his successor and allow managers total “Fergie-esque” control.feck all to do with Mourinho
Try: The true cost of the Glazer era.
feck me, this place.....
Does the DVB transfer involve the transfer board? As The Board should they be questioning Ole why he is not using a 40 million asset? It's like buying an aircraft then not using it while it's parked all the time. When it's parked it's not making any money.It certainly seems the right direction, calling Sportings bluff on Bruno and saying no to Dortmund on Sancho were/are smart moves for example.
I think we'll get Sancho for 40 mil less than quoted this Summer and it'll be another statement from the club that we'll wait if we have to, we won't just pay whatever the selling club ask because we need success right this instant.
It had a much more long term vision to it.
I do believe it'll then likely take a new exceptional manager and a couple of his "speciality players" to then push us on, probably be 2022 when that happens though.
Obviously it involves them, I’d imagine it’s a signing put forward by multiple transfer board members that Ole decided to trust rather than veto. There’s a chance Bruno was the same, or both were put forward by Ole and agreed on by the transfer board, who knows really.Does the DVB transfer involve the transfer board? As The Board should they be questioning Ole why he is not using a 40 million asset? It's like buying an aircraft then not using it while it's parked all the time. When it's parked it's not making any money.
Van der Beek is really a strange one, considering the other of Oles signings (Maguire, AWB, Bruno) are our top 3 in minutes played since they arrivedDoes the DVB transfer involve the transfer board? As The Board should they be questioning Ole why he is not using a 40 million asset? It's like buying an aircraft then not using it while it's parked all the time. When it's parked it's not making any money.
Most likely 4) A transfer board member or multiple put him forward as an option, the rest of the board agreed he was a good option, and Ole trusted the board rather than veto.1) He was a "board" player that Ole did not really want
2) He was poorly scouted and/or he did not adapt to the league as they had hoped
3) Ole really wanted him and he did not do his homework
actually, they would’ve probably got their heads together and maybe or maybe not appointed Moyes. We’ll never know but sure as feck they would’ve not signed Fellaini and furthermore, in the manner they did, never mind subsequent disastrous signings and non-signings - not to mention total neglect of a stadium that was always at the absolute forefront of any other stadium in the country. Decade upon decade, since wwII, there were major improvements and always maintenance of the highest standard. No genuine supporter would give these leeches the slightest excuse or justification to what they’ve brought upon the club. It’s either total ignorance of the clubs history or just point scoring on a forum. United have suffered enormously under these cnuts and it will take decades to recover. The wealthiest club in the world now having to scrape around for young/low cost talents whilst desperately in need of immediate recruits, yet the internet is full of newbies telling us it’s the “United way” ffs.I’d love to think the plc would’ve done it better, but I think chances are they would’ve also let Fergie pick his successor and allow managers total “Fergie-esque” control.
It’s stupid as feck in hindsight mind.
Whoa whoa whoa, we're not talking about stadium infrastructure here so save that for another thread. I agree with you that we lack massive investment there but that has feck all to do with this discussion.actually, they would’ve probably got their heads together and maybe or maybe not appointed Moyes. We’ll never know but sure as feck they would’ve not signed Fellaini and furthermore, in the manner they did, never mind subsequent disastrous signings and non-signings
"Miracles"Ole has worked miracles on recruitment but people have super short memories and it’s all forgotten with a few poor results.
Very interesting.Saw this on reddit and really thought it was a worthwhile read
Explains in depth how badly our finances have been handled the past few years and why we still have a hangover from some of the deal we made
It’s not won us the league no but you compare it to those managers recruitment and there is no other word for it. LVG in particular."Miracles"
Well it's not a miracle is it, let's at least agree on that.It’s not won us the league no but you compare it to those managers recruitment and there is no other word for it. LVG in particular.
Just look at the recruitment and how they fit the ethos of the club, age profile and the general demographic of what we look for now compared to before. Ole’s basically implemented that himself, before Ole we literally could sign any old semi-retired donkeys.
Likewise trying to avoid any positive influence Ole has clearly had on it is ridiculous and clearly agenda driven.Well it's not a miracle is it, let's at least agree on that.
And what we know for certain is that Ole alone isn't deciding transfer strategy, the transfer board which includes Ole and Phelan decide on it. We know they sold Fellaini when we didn't even have a manager, we know they vetoed Mourinho on the Pogba/Martial sales and the purchases of Perisic and William. The DvB signing is almost certainly one put forward by the transfer board that Ole decided to trust and not to veto.
So yes, the transfer strategy of the entire club has been much much smarter since 2018, before Ole even arrived. Trying to pretend that is 100% on Ole, and a "miracle" is just incorrect.