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feck all to do with Mourinho
Try: The true cost of the Glazer era.
feck me, this place.....
As in you are complaining about the Glazers because they gave the managers too much money as this article suggests?
feck all to do with Mourinho
Try: The true cost of the Glazer era.
feck me, this place.....
the Glazer debt still sits at like £450m. They bought us as a business venture, not a hobby like the saudis and abramovich, in a leveraged buyout at 800. They have constantly refinanced those initial loans to a point where over 15 years later they have not yet even paid half off because the servicing costs are enormous. And yes, they take a large dividend at every chance.The first paragraph of that is so condescending.
As if Ole saying there won't be major deals would make Dortmund think"Yeah, they don't have loads of money, give them Sancho for £50m, poor things."
And apparently the Glazer debt hasnt affected our operatinf ability? Maybe if we weren't paying them £90m a year we could have 5 or 6 £50m+ defenders like City?
Stunned by the sale of Evans?! A guy who put in arguably the worst individual season of a playing centre back at Old Trafford in the last 30 years?!I AM NOT ITK.
I do not profess to be ITK.
I just happen to be good friends with a Manchester United first team coach - have been for decades.
The above article is a good read, and it mirrors everything this first team coach has told me over the past couple of years.
The Mourinho era brought years of detriment to our football club... Though this coach also blames Woodward for giving into Mourinho...
He says (and I won't name him) the one thing that baffled him more than anything was the contract given to De Gea as he knew it would have future consequences, right through the club. He has also told me that the one thing Alex Ferguson was most baffled about over the years since his retirement was the sale of Jonny Evans under LvG... Fergie has since told this coach that he simply couldn't believe that sale. He was stunned by it.
But yeah, if any United fan wants the actual truth, the article above is as close as you're gonna get it.
Also, we needed a body because Pereira was loaned out and Lingard was having issues in his personal life.Van der Beek is really a strange one, considering the other of Oles signings (Maguire, AWB, Bruno) are our top 3 in minutes played since they arrived
I've heard talk about him "being forced" on Ole by the board and the fact that hes barely played is not just because Ole does not rate him, but also because he wanted to send a signal to the board...but as i said, rumors. The way i see it there are 3 possible scenarios here
1) He was a "board" player that Ole did not really want
2) He was poorly scouted and/or he did not adapt to the league as they had hoped
3) Ole really wanted him and he did not do his homework
We have to hope VB shows his worth next season, in a similar style to how long it took Fred to show himself.Does the DVB transfer involve the transfer board? As The Board should they be questioning Ole why he is not using a 40 million asset? It's like buying an aircraft then not using it while it's parked all the time. When it's parked it's not making any money.
It’s not mentioned in the article but selling Fellaini, Smalling and Lukaku was a clear sign to me that we want players with technique, first touch and generally comfortable on the ball.Well it's not a miracle is it, let's at least agree on that.
And what we know for certain is that Ole alone isn't deciding transfer strategy, the transfer board which includes Ole and Phelan decide on it. We know they sold Fellaini when we didn't even have a manager, we know they vetoed Mourinho on the Pogba/Martial sales and the purchases of Perisic and William. The DvB signing is almost certainly one put forward by the transfer board that Ole decided to trust and not to veto.
So yes, the transfer strategy of the entire club has been much much smarter since 2018, before Ole even arrived. Trying to pretend that is 100% on Ole, and a "miracle" is just incorrect.
There you go again, not listening, and only hearing the parts you want to hear.Likewise trying to avoid any positive influence Ole has clearly had on it is ridiculous and clearly agenda driven.
Agreed.It’s not mentioned in the article but selling Fellaini, Smalling and Lukaku was a clear sign to me that we want players with technique, first touch and generally comfortable on the ball.
Pity most of our team can't pass a ball five yards.It’s not mentioned in the article but selling Fellaini, Smalling and Lukaku was a clear sign to me that we want players with technique, first touch and generally comfortable on the ball.
I think AWB was signed as young player with the hope he could be improved in that aspect.
Bang on correct.feck all to do with Mourinho
Try: The true cost of the Glazer era.
feck me, this place.....
Why. Did he write or publish it...It's funny how these articles about Jose and LvG pop up whenever we're doing shite under Ole. Anything to excuse him I guess.
Ah. But that is Jose fault.Pity most of our team can't pass a ball five yards.
Fellaini and Lukaku were finished once Jose left. if we wanted technique and first touch we would be playing Donnie.It’s not mentioned in the article but selling Fellaini, Smalling and Lukaku was a clear sign to me that we want players with technique, first touch and generally comfortable on the ball.
I think AWB was signed as young player with the hope he could be improved in that aspect.
Of course. Pity most of these players didn't actually play under him.Ah. But that is Jose fault.
Exactly. But what has facts got to do with anything nowadays.Of course. Pity most of these players didn't actually play under him.
Not a lot. I watch MUTV and the last game, fair enough Statman Dave picked Luke Shaw and his statistics were good, one day when we get a bad result they should pick someone like Fred or even Bruno and highlight their passing stats. I would love to know what theirs are.Exactly. But what has facts got to do with anything nowadays.
The Europa league in particular was a boost(although even that was a struggle against teams we've mostly never heard of).We were in need of some ‘short-term’ success when Mourinho was appointed. We’d only won the FA Cup in 3 years and were falling out of contention. How much bleaker would the last 10 years have been without that League Cup and Europa League in 16/17? Not big trophies by any stretch, but at least it was something.
Bang on the money pal.Its pretty obvious that we had a disastrous 5 or so year spell where our money was frittered away. As much as I love to hate on Jose it wasn't all his fault. LVG wasted money too, and Woodward signed this all off. Everybody is culpable.
What is undoubtedly true is that we are still hampered by this period and we are still playing catch up, but we seem to be on the right track to solving these issues.
It's quite clear the media go pretty easy on Ole compared to previous managers, I guess because of who he is and bring a Utd legend.Why. Did he write or publish it...
Three paragraphs in, three grammar mistakesSaw this on reddit and really thought it was a worthwhile read
Explains in depth how badly our finances have been handled the past few years and why we still have a hangover from some of the deal we made
Not just the media incidentally.It's quite clear the media go pretty easy on Ole compared to previous managers, I guess because of who he is and bring a Utd legend.
Is being 2nd in March, sh!te, out of interest? If you check our finishing positions post Fergie?It's funny how these articles about Jose and LvG pop up whenever we're doing shite under Ole. Anything to excuse him I guess.
Excellent post. The damage he does isn't easily eradicated so quickly, either.Jose is the type of guy who runs your club into the ground, like an under qualified irresponsible CEO who has found themselves in a job they don't have the required skills for, and then blames everyone but himself for the disaster and harps on endlessly about the small achievements afterwards during his time. The type of business men who are only in it for themselves and the champagne salaries, with little regard for the long term health of the company. John Delaney, ex CEO from the FAI springs to mind.
Weeks before Jose signed a contract extension at Utd, he was harping on about how he see's himself staying 10 years at Utd, the board fell for it, gave him a massive new deal, and once signed, he started causing trouble and throwing the toys out of the pram. He kept harping on about how we can't compete with Paris and Madrid because we can't afford superstars like Neymar and Cristiano, the board fell for it and gifted him Alexis who he dumped on the bench because he wasn't the best player on the pitch in his first game, without giving him that 10 game run in the team he needed to adapt to his new environment.
I wanted Pochettino before we landed Jose, and Pochettino was a perfect fit, a manager who ticked all the boxes in terms of Utd DNA, but we can't complain, we dominated the league for 20 years, a dark period was inevitable. That's how it goes.
every single time.Why do the same posters try turn everything into an Ole bashing thread?
I'm not sure I agree with this. I rarely if ever see any praise go his way from the mainstream media. He's either criticised (sometimes correctly) or not talked about at all - unless you believe that a manager currently 2nd in the table should be getting hammered from all anglesIt's quite clear the media go pretty easy on Ole compared to previous managers, I guess because of who he is and bring a Utd legend.