And was Cancelled. Stand up for him.I can't believe you are actual staff here....the guy is a convicted pedo, a dangerous individual, and he is your example, ffs
Staff is pushing it but I sometimes can't believe it either.
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Staff is pushing it but I sometimes can't believe it either.
I think he was being sarcastic.I can't believe you are actual staff here....the guy is a convicted pedo, a dangerous individual, and he is your example, ffs
That is Gary Glitter. He is your guy. Own it.
I watch a broad selection of things, I try to understand peoples positions rather than judging based on what group they belong to.What have you been searchingDon't worry, I won't judge
Ive watched some Shapiro, he's clever (Im reluctant to say intelligent) but having watched his interview with Haidt I realise he's just an entrenched voice, he constantly asks Haidt if the left are more responsible for xyz. He's just chasing the money.
What's the classical liberal stance here, then? "Don't dare to cancel people who hate black people, gay people or jewish people, but if you don't want to cancel paedos then you shouldn't get to mod Redcafe"?I can't believe you are actual staff here....the guy is a convicted pedo, a dangerous individual, and he is your example, ffs
How exactly are you defining cancel culture here?
If my neighbour moves their fence 1 metre within my land and i complain under historical and legal grounds, to change it back, am I using cancel culture under your interpretation?
What about countires that stop taking part and dismantled the slave trade, was that participating in cancel culture?
Yeah, I know its a just weird reference
I'm defining cancel culture by comparing how the (online) public reacted to Mel Gibson and Gary Glitter. So, no, no fences and no slavery.
I love how much i live in people minds rent free with this
So explain the relevance in the colonialism comment?
There is good and bad to cancelling i feel.
When you cancel someone for a serious crime, it prevents other people from commiting the same crime.
But then people get cancelled or threatened with being cancelled for not as serious stuff, like how Gordon Elliott has got in trouble with the picture, which I think the ban was fair enough. Caroline Flack commit suicide because she was essentially going to be cancelled as well. You have to be airtight now if you ever become famous. I remember Boris Becker saying fame was an awful price to pay for his success.
When you cancel someone for a serious crime, it prevents other people from commiting the same crime.
But then people get cancelled or threatened with being cancelled for not as serious stuff, like how Gordon Elliott has got in trouble with the picture, which I think the ban was fair enough. Caroline Flack commit suicide because she was essentially going to be cancelled as well. You have to be airtight now if you ever become famous. I remember Boris Becker saying fame was an awful price to pay for his success.
Compare the plays Glitter got on BBC radio before and after 1997.
Someone please just show me how Glitter was not Cancelled according to established definitions, and I will concede.
Until then all the All Lives Matter, anti-woke, anti-trans activist types should have to take Gary to their bosom and fight for his unCancelling.
Someone please just show me how Glitter was not Cancelled according to established definitions, and I will concede.
Until then all the All Lives Matter, anti-woke, anti-trans activist types should have to take Gary to their bosom and fight for his unCancelling.
Fame has always led to more scrutiny, the difference is that some share more than they should, in particular pictures and thougths that shouldn't be shared with millions of people.
Oh, sorry, didn't realize were going back to my old comments (fitting, I suppose).
It was a funny joke about how e.g. the Boston Tea Party/Mel Gibson was about someone (the American people/movie goers) doing something (starting a revolution/staying home) because someone (Britain/Mel Gibson) said or did something they didn't like (overplayed their political hand/said racist, homphobic and antisemitic stuff).
And doing my funny joke I was using the parameters given to me by the those decrying cancel culture, not what I would use if I had to define it myself.
again, she didn’t say anything. She didn’t want to put up her pro nouns. They hounded her and hounded her. 6 months of death threats, rape threats and calling her boot lick racist. And no one said anything about it. She was right when she called them out. The fact you (and others all over the internet)are still repeating the misinformation a month after the fact about what she did speaks volumes about how cancel culture works.
6 months of death threats, rape threats, and general abuse. And people were fine with it. So she was right. They normalised abusing her because of politics just like the nazis normalised abusing Jews. That doesn’t mean she thinks shes like the Jews. It means that that people online are acting like nazis, and the people who say nothing have been convinced it’s fine that she should be treated that way.
I don’t agree with her politics. I don’t think she’s a very good actress. And I don’t think she’ll be missed from Star Wars. But to accept that it’s ok to abuse her like that for months is bullshit, in my opinion. And to then punish her further when she calls that treatment out is, well, pretty horrible.
Old comment? its on the last page.
I dont even know what you are rambling on about here in relation to what you said, I've already lost interest
Weird of you to reply to me, then, I'd advise against it.
I am sorry for expecting a coherent explanation, and not the ramblings of a madman, you weren't scouted by dumbo by any chance?
They both appear to be living rent free in your head.
Likewise, unfortunately for some people the fact that you even entertain the idea of clicking a Shapiro video to try and understand his points of views is cancellable...
I watch Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar, Vaush and a couple of other hard left content, but its funny, the same level of outrage is not displayed if admitting to watching them, even if they have some pretty extreme opinions. This very site is a fine example to see what is generally acceptable and what is not..
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Why is this fecking dirty nonces face being posted here!Cancel culture is really really real. If you don't believe me answer me this: did this man's songs get worse after 1997?
No. Yet his career was destroyed. He is almost never played on radio anymore. He can't get a job gigging. He lost most of his royalty income. He faced endless hateful attacks and ridicule. He was hounded out of his job and then the country. He was Cancelled. He was Cancelled worse than anyone since Jesus.
He is a free man, he served his time and he has still lost everything to Cancel Culture.
This is your crusade. He is on your team. Stand up for him please.
I knew I should have pushed that Milesian School thing harder. But you wanted Glitter, so you get Glitter.
fine, but the problem with consequence culture is that theres no self reflection.
Thanks for the original post on Haidt, I watched his discussion with Peterson last night, was an interesting watch.
What are Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar or Vaush's extreme opinions that are comparable to Ben Shapiro saying "Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage" or talking about the "militant homosexual agenda" to pick just two examples?
I love how so many people thought dumbo was being serious. It's dumbo FFS.
I thought it was just one guy? Maybe im ignoring all the others
You're perceptive, I'm impressed.
Even if someone for some weird reason would find my funny joke unfunny it's still extremely easy to understand, so that failure is all on you. Your question is very interesting, though. Why would you be interested in the background of someone you've lost interest in? That is a conundrum.
How is literally quoting someone's words 'misinformation'? You seem keen to defend what she said because you believe that your take on it is the only correct one.
"Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?"
I'd say it's pretty obvious what the differences are, and you'd have to be pretty thick not to. Mainly: You aren't born with political views. People aren't" rounding up" people they disagree with politically, let alone exterminating them in their millions. Neither are they doing this to people simply because they are descended from people with certain political views. Saying you disagree with someone's politics isn't the same as hating someone.
All in all its a pretty stupid comparison, which is probably why she tried to back pedal on it later. She probably could have saved her job with Disney by thinking for a minute or two about the connotations of what she was about to broadcast to millions of people.
As for the people who attacked her: I'm fairly sure most people are actually with you on this one, and are relatively anti-rape and death threats. In fact there are laws against issuing rape and death threats. So it's not that nobody cares. I'm sure if the employers of those people tweeting the threats found out, they'd lose their jobs in a heartbeat and face a potential criminal record. So please don't try to make out this is so one-sided and unjust.
Barely read a post in here, but has the cafe concluded yet that this is a dumb term for something thats been around for like 200,000 years? Give or take a few hundred thousand years, dependant on when you think humans started walking the earth that is.
If Owen Jones is ‘hard left’ then the ‘hard left’ are tame as hell.
It's hard to believe anyone ever takes me seriously. However the central argument I was making: that the "Cancelling" of Gary Glitter is not of a different variety of Cancelling than that which is being objected to in this thread and more widely in society (such as in the case of Rowling, Peterson, and the deplatforming of other racists, misogynists, anti-trans types).
No one has yet shown me where the error is in the argument. And "but he's a pedo" or "dumbo is a shit scout/poster/person and I hope he dies" do not refute the argument. Even if they are true and reasonable positions in and of themselves.
Gary Glitter was Cancelled and this is the hill guys. Build your fox hole around him.
I posted the definition up the page, take a look.
I'm not just going by my whatever is convenient definition.
I find it interesting that you’re questioning someone’s position based on an opinion they posted online. Tut tut.I can't believe you are actual staff here....the guy is a convicted pedo, a dangerous individual, and he is your example, ffs
I dont know any of the quotes you have just listed, so will just take your word for it. I am not a rabid viewer of any to be pulling out quotes other than Ash "iam basically a communist", but they all ramp up identity politics into every angle.
Vaush has the same rambling Shapiro style, didn't he out himself as a paedo apologist recently? And has some weird opinions on how extensive the holocaust actually was.
Owen Jones, recently had a guest on his youtube channel to discuss free speech, called Nesrine, and its just a mess, she basically says "we" (as in people in her same thought space) should define what free speech is and if you don't agree we will shut down your speech and he's just agreeing with it, no push back.
There is a real irresponsibility to the inconsistent, casual pick and choosers who sight "Cancel Culture" as a modern ill. Not to mention malicious ones.
That's really not any better if you think about it. Comparing some people being rude on Twitter to what happened during the holocaust is absurd and offensive. Those two things are nothing alike and you know she's doing it to try to paint liberals/the left as "nazis". She's a cnut of the highest order based on her twitter comments, the fact that some random people are being rude doesn't change the fact she was way out of line.
No idea who that is. Must be a Brit thing?Cancel culture is really really real. If you don't believe me answer me this: did this man's songs get worse after 1997?
No. Yet his career was destroyed. He is almost never played on radio anymore. He can't get a job gigging. He lost most of his royalty income. He faced endless hateful attacks and ridicule. He was hounded out of his job and then the country. He was Cancelled. He was Cancelled worse than anyone since Jesus.
He is a free man, he served his time and he has still lost everything to Cancel Culture.
This is your crusade. He is on your team. Stand up for him please.
Of course boycotts have been around since before social media, but the thing that’s new about it as far as I can see is the bar for what merits one has been lowered, and secondly how in extreme cases people will weaponise it to suit an existing agenda.
I totally agree with taking your money elsewhere and voting with your feet when someone says or does something racist or homophobic etc. Someone mentioned Mel Gibson as an example of someone hit by it, but to me that’s not cancel culture - the guy is a known basket case who has said some awful, racist things. And even if he hadn’t, people have a right to vote with their feet and boycott anyone for any reason they see fit. It’s a free country. You shouldn’t even need a reason.
However where I think cancel culture can be quite toxic, is when someone has already decided they don’t like you, (e.g because they disagree with you politically say) and try to get you cancelled because of it. That’s where the mobs can get quite ugly, and they know it works because companies have caved in time and time again to appease them. I think companies should maintain some perspective and actually evaluate what the person has done, and not how many retweets a call for their firing has.
I totally agree with taking your money elsewhere and voting with your feet when someone says or does something racist or homophobic etc. Someone mentioned Mel Gibson as an example of someone hit by it, but to me that’s not cancel culture - the guy is a known basket case who has said some awful, racist things. And even if he hadn’t, people have a right to vote with their feet and boycott anyone for any reason they see fit. It’s a free country. You shouldn’t even need a reason.
However where I think cancel culture can be quite toxic, is when someone has already decided they don’t like you, (e.g because they disagree with you politically say) and try to get you cancelled because of it. That’s where the mobs can get quite ugly, and they know it works because companies have caved in time and time again to appease them. I think companies should maintain some perspective and actually evaluate what the person has done, and not how many retweets a call for their firing has.
Thanks for proving my point. "its fairly obvious what she meant.". Apparently its not. Since everyone has gone out of their way to ignore what she meant. And yes, I am keen to point it out because its a shitty culture that we are allowing to happen. "We know what you really meant" has been used for a long time to screw people over. And now people can point a finger at you, and youre just guilty. Thats it. How do you prove youre not a racist? You cant, anything you say just digs the hole deeper. How do you say youre not sexist? You cant, you just dig the hole deeper. Say nothing, youre guilty. Defend yourself, youre guilty. She clarified what she meant. It didnt matter, now she was a liar as well. Because you can never defend yourself once youve been accused in todays world. And that should scare the living shit out of us all.
If people agreed with me, then we wouldnt be here. 6 months of being constantly attacked. 6 months of no one saying anything. Thats the context of her post about the nazis, nazi neighbours and jews. And this where my other pet hate comes in of people ignore context, and the nuance of an argument. "How is that different from hating someone for their political views?". Its a good question, how is it that we can be fine with people hating like that for no other reason than religion or politics? Death threats and rape threats on line are horrible. Yet it seems that because shes right wing, its ok. Its ok to attack people like that because they are sub human? Isnt that what the nazis did? They convinced people that jews were sub human so it was to treat them like that? Isnt that what they slave owners in America did to black people? Isnt that why still today they word most used to dehumanise black people is still so offensive? 6 months of daily abuse, and no one cared. But as soon as she brings up nazis and jews everyone cant be more interested.
Like I said, Im not a fan of hers or her politics. But the treatment she got was bullshit in my opinion. She didnt want to do the pro nouns thing and that was it. They were going to get her one way of another. And they got her.