True, but do we rape a death threats really fall under trolling? We don’t call what happened to lingered, martial, Rashford or many other black players trolling. It’s racism plain and simple. The fact it happens online doesn’t diminish it. But you’re right, social media companies don’t do nearly enough to deal with this stuff. No football player should be getting “I know where your kids go to school” because of a bad game. But that, and things like it keep happening every week.
Cancel Culture
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Well I don't know about "we", but I'm not. I'm perfectly aware that some people are capable of going over the top with their cause and their overzealous nature can have the opposite effect on people. Doing this on social media is worse because it is an inherently toxic environment.
Carano wasn't automatically in the wrong because she is a right winger, she was in the wrong because of the obviously wrong things she said (and kept saying). She could just as well have said nothing, maybe instead replying to the thousands of others who messaged her about completely apolitical things instead, I don't know, but it's clear all of this was of her own making.
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"Cancel culture" strikes me as a phrase much like "Virtue Signalling". Largely vapid and pretty much used exclusively against people with left leaning views to try and silence them. Virtue Signalling to silence the individual, cancel culture to silence the collective.
They generally want to encourage cis people to put their pronouns in their twitter bios because it helps to normalise the sharing of pronouns. Otherwise the only people who do it will be trans people, which leaves them singled out and immediately identifiable as a trans person.
In this case they hoped Carano would do it because 1) it's a positive gesture that costs her absolutely nothing, 2) it helps spread the idea among the huge, multi-generational fanbase who follow her and 3) it helps the plethora of trans people within that fanbase feel respected, included and welcome, as they so often aren't made to feel.
So in terms of "how is it their business?" and "why do they care?", the answer is "because they care about trans people and want to encourage people to do things that help make their very difficult lives slightly less difficult"
She compared being suspended from twitter because you have shit opinions to the holocaust. How is this still a debate 
Right wing types have a fetish for feeling oppressed. Never seen anything like it.She compared being suspended from twitter because you have shit opinions to the holocaust. How is this still a debate
Who are we talking about atm?She compared being suspended from twitter because you have shit opinions to the holocaust. How is this still a debate
Beep/bop/boop Carano
Yep. Nailed it.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't recollect that she was suspended from Twitter and she said " ‘Hating someone for their political views’ is not that different to when the Nazis turned on Jewish people"
Which is obviously stupid holocaust relativism, but it something that quite a lot of people engage in these days. I'd agree though that she is a right wing twat.
Yeah, when they say they are being silenced, what they actually mean is that they want everyone else to shut up so that their voices are the only ones heard and the only ones that matter.
Yea agreed. I think as well you have to possess the right mentality to deal with this scrutiny.
Some singer from Little Mix has been destroyed by fame. She quit the band recently.
Some can deal with it. Some cannot.
The vast majority of twitter users dont have pronouns in their bios. Singling out Carano in particular for not doing so sounds more like an attempt to pick a fight than anything else.
Ron Atkinson an example. I mean if he wasn’t live, no one would have said anything to him.
David Icke got cancelled for being batshit crazy and nothing else pretty much. I mean most of his stuff was pretty much harmless.
That's the point though. The vast majority don't and that's exactly what people want to change. So they look for high profile celebrities to start doing it, to help influence that change. Which is why a huge number of celebrities get those requests. Some agree and do it, others ignore them and don't.
Whereas Carano mocked those attempts with that beep/bop/boop bullshit. And while she claimed that wasn't her intention, she ignored all the people from the trans community who pointed out that was very obviously its effect, as she instead tried to portray it as an act of defiance against bullies. But while I have complete sympathy for anyone who is bullied or absued online, the appropriate way to respond to that isn't to do something that undermines a very basic attempt to make a marginalised group of people feel less marginalised. Especially when you've repeatedly had the importance of that attempt explained to you and especially when the overwhelming majority of those asking you to make that attempt were asking you to do so in a polite way.
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Hating someone in her context means being "silenced" and "canceled" though doesnt it? So it basically means being suspended from Twitter.
That's all bypassing the fact that she and her group of alt righters arent hated for political beliefs, they're hated for being hateful racist bigoted cnuts.
I'm sick of racists saying wahhhh they're prosecuting me because I hate gays and brown people that' s so unfair. Because that is what it comes down to.
But she wasn't suspended from Twitter though was she? Her cancellation here would be being fired from Disney which is fair enough although although I have no respect for Disney or any of the people on Twitter who wrote all that vile shit to her. I don't give people are free pass because they are not celebrities. People who write vile shit on Twitter are vile individuals.
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Thread is going as well as I thought it would be tbh, terribly.
There are some people on here who repeatedly have questionable opinions when it comes to these types of discussions, but can never admit it with their chest - they just continue to feign ignorance.
There are some people on here who repeatedly have questionable opinions when it comes to these types of discussions, but can never admit it with their chest - they just continue to feign ignorance.
Okay mind reader.
Well what is on our chests then?
No come on. Bring it out. Express yourself. What are it is it that the people you are talking about not willing to declare openly?Oh I see, a hit dog will holler
I'm just making an observation.
Am I the only one mystified by this beep beep thing?
If you feel as though I was talking about you, then just say that.
Trying to goad me won't work, I said what I said.
I understand where you're coming from, but once Carano had made it clear she wasn't interested in changing her bio for whatever reason, further engagement with her on the subject was less about trying to enlist celebrities to a worthy cause and more about giving her some extra rope to publicly hang herself with. Not that I'm particularly against letting terfs make fools of themselves, but let's still call a spade a spade.
Well if you were talking about posters like me, I would prefer you to say what you think my views are that I won't express, if you weren't talking posters as myself then fair enough. I can only express and defend my own views though, I can't talk for others. You made a claim though that there are posters here feigning ignorance. What are these posters feigning ignorance about?
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If I wanted to confront you about your views, I'd have no issue doing so, regardless of what you would prefer for me to do.
I made my comment because there's repeatable behaviour when it comes to topics such as this, with recurring posters taking part (myself included) it's just interesting to see and basically predict how things will go. For some reason that's made you get defensive.
No I'm not sure she was, fair enough. What platform she was canceled from wasn't really the main point.
I guess I should've worded it differently, like:
She's a cnut, feck her.
First, you missed the point. What happened to Carano is still nothing remotely like the holocaust so how you tried to explain her tweet is still absurd, offensive, out of line, and almost certainly in violation of her contract which Disney did not renew.
Second, I don't see any rape or death threats in that image you link. It's people saying feck off and saying they hope she gets fired.
It's not okay, but it is typical of the internet (I've been called worse when I used to play online games for instance). I'd agree better moderation of abusive trolling is necessary because I don't believe in excessive "free speech" but its still not remotely comparable to the frickin holocaust ffs.
It's because I get tired of the tropes being wheeled out here such as
If you critize Islam you branded as Islamophobic as if being critical of a religion is in some way irrational. We could talk about pedophile catholic priests all day, but no one would brand you Christianophopic for saying so.
"I have black friends" insinuating that how you relate to people of colour today or all your life has no relevance at all and that you are in fact a racist.
"I have a gay friend". insinuating that how you relate to homosexuals today or all your life has no relevance at all, and you are indeed homophopic.
"People are really showing their true colours in this thread". Insinuating that posters are more bigoted than they let on and that the posters making that comment know something that apparently the posters themselves won't openly express.
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It’s a car mate. You usually have to feck off out of the way before you get ran over.
So you're saying you don't understand the differences between Islamaphobia and Catholic priests who happen to be pedophiles, and why phrases such as "I have black friends" are ridiculed?
I understand why they are ridiculed, but I think they are poorly implemented.
How is 'why did twitter users start put pro nouns in" the main part of the story?
Notice the dates?
Actually, the trouble with this whole thing is that, while the dates in the images of the tweets are clearly accurate for when the tweets were posted, the confusion comes from the fact we can't be sure when the screen shots were taken, because the bio/handle will change to whatever it said at the time the screenshot were taken.
So it's possible that she changed her handle (and photo, it appears) to include beep/bop/boop after the conversation with Pedro Pascal. It's also possible she removed it after the conversation, but those images alone cannot be definitive proof because we do not know when the screen grabs were made.
However, the earliest articles I can find that mention it are from September 13th, which places the change after the conversation. https://www.themarysue.com/gina-carano-called-out-for-transphobic-twitter-presence/
It seems that the first screenshot was taken after she changed her handle to add the beep/bop/boop on the 13th September. The second tweet was posted while she had beep/bop/boop in her handle, but the screenshot was taken after she had removed it. It's unclear though how long she used the beep/bop/boop handle.
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Doesn't really matter what you think though does it? They are rightfully ridiculed.
If you say you understand why, but think it's implemented poorly, it suggests that you don't actually have a comprehension of understanding.
Or it suggests that you don't actually understand, but you are saying you do for fear of receiving criticism.
Either way, they will continue to get ridiculed because it's a stupid phrase that is deserving of it.
Isnt it that pronouns are unlimited, and she kinda of mocked the idea with something that is synonymous with star wars (which she is in) and to r2d2, who she copied, everybody is beep boop boo.
What i find most interesting is how if you don't know someone's pronouns you should refer to them as "it", which i was taught was incredibly rude when growing up.
Yeah that's one of the things about the "defence" of the beep/bop stuff. She wasn't making fun of herself or the "bullying", she was making fun of trans people.
It's like if someone gets asked about gay people or something, and to prove they aren't homophobic and that they support gay people they make a homophobic joke or stereotypical comment about gay people.
Really! feck me that's daft.
Yeah 'it' is not polite. I remember Alfie referring to women as 'it'.