Yes. Eusebio is a good stylistic comparison to Mbappe and realistically a top 10-20 of all time berth would still require a fair wind and a lot of luck from here. Much of his status will hinge on how desperate today's teenagers are to anoint their own GOAT though. Haaland probably a notch below that, maybe somewhere below Muller and nearer to the Rummenigge/Batistuta/Nordahl territory, but possibly accruing more credit because of more favourable figures and a greater appreciation of the numbers he'll be putting up.
Eh?
None of that really matters. It's what they actually do that does. But fair enough, Messi was indeed the better player in the respective age 22 seasons. Yet. They're also not that far apart, and Mbappé's season isn't over yet
Player | CL Mins | CL Goals | CL Assists |
|---|---|---|---|
Haaland | 1080 | 20 | 2 |
Messi | 1244 | 6 | 4 |
Ronaldo | 963 | 1 | 3 |
Mbappe | 1895 | 14 | 8 |
I do think Haaland may have a real chance to break Ronaldo CL goals record, if he maintain this kind of form for next 10-15 years or so.
So being better at basically every fundamental aspect of football doesn't matter? How else are you going to rate a player? It's not exactly like Messi has been ineffective with his talent or has had an underwhelming career - there's nothing to suggest Mbappe is going to be better than Messi - even if he manages to gain more trophies which in itself is highly unlikely.
It's about the same difference as Memphis' stats and Kane's stats this season - one is obviously more impressive as it's in a superior league.
The reason Mbappe can't reach Messi's level is the same reason why Rooney, despite being a more effective teenager than CR7 or Ronaldinho, didn't have the potential to perform to their heights. It's obvious to me and the majority of people on this board who can look past stats.
Let us not forget Ronaldo from 2003-2010, one of the most gifted ball carriers in the game, super entertaining to watch. If Ronaldo played like he did today all of his career, I guarantee you his status would be nowhere near the top. It is the reputation he build in those years in addition to his efficiency later down the line that has cemented him as a GOAT.
Not really because if you are comparing a list of players, all of whom have fantastic game to goal ratio's, then you have to find a different factor to differentiate them with. Just look at how many times Messi influenced Barca yesterday even without the goal when in possession, now you can argue that without it, he was a liability and that is fair enough but that still lends itself to rating a player outside of just goalscoring metrics.
1 less goal than all the rest combined at the same age, crazy numbers
By how well they play and how impactfull they are. Mbappé's impact so far is very much comparable to Messi's throughout the same age seasons. In fact it's only this season and last that the comparison shifts towards Messi, and again, not by much
Other than not having seen enough of him what exactly makes you say he doesn't have Cristiano's or Ronaldinho's(really???) level of talent? Because everything he's done so far points to him being very much that level of talent. If not even greater, at that
I presume you have only just started watching Ronaldo? You should check out his United and early Real Madrid days he was some player.
I agree, as i pointed out in a later post
safe to say neither Mbappé nor Haaland are likely to reach that level.I can agree, as Mbappe has had a great early start to his career. Messi was injury prone at the start of his career but once he started playing regularly, he was already playing at a level higher than what Mbappe has shown so far. Comparing them at 22 years old though, there is a huge gap in ability and impact between the two.
You misread what I wrote. I said Rooney didn't have the ceiling to reach Ronaldinho or CR7's level. Mbappe is around the CR7 or Ronaldinho level talent, although I'd rate him lower as a talent personally. CR7 maximised his talent, Ronaldinho didn't - If Mbappe maximises his, he'd still probably be a notch below CR7.
Ok let's do the same with Haaland:
Obviously Haaland's stats are absolutely insane.
This guy has way more impact now than these guys had at 20, and it should not be open for debate. They had 1/3 of his end product at that age. Messi and Ronaldo didn't carry their teams through KO stages in the CL at 20, not even close. Barcelona had Xavi, Iniesta, Eto'o, Henry, Ronaldinho, Toure in the team when Messi was 20 who were all arguably as important or more important for Barca at that time. We had Rooney, RVN, Rio, Scholes, Giggsy who all played more important roles in our team when Cristiano was 20. Haaland is Dortmund right now,and he will only get better. Messi was obviously more technically gifted, but Haaland brings other stuff to the game that we haven't seen before. End product wins you titles and games, and Haaland has more of it than any one else. He is miles a head of Messi and CR7 at the same age.
There is no way CR was better technically than Mbappe by a considerable margin, no way.
Miles ahead of Messi at the same age? What is it with people making statements like this, no player in the history of football has been miles ahead of Messi at the same age, let alone Haaland.This guy has way more impact now than these guys had at 20, and it should not be open for debate. They had 1/3 of his end product at that age. Messi and Ronaldo didn't carry their teams through KO stages in the CL at 20, not even close. Barcelona had Xavi, Iniesta, Eto'o, Henry, Ronaldinho, Toure in the team when Messi was 20 who were all arguably as important or more important for Barca at that time. We had Rooney, RVN, Rio, Scholes, Giggsy who all played more important roles in our team when Cristiano was 20. Haaland is Dortmund right now,and he will only get better. Messi was obviously more technically gifted, but Haaland brings other stuff to the game that we haven't seen before. End product wins you titles and games, and Haaland has more of it than any one else. He is miles a head of Messi and CR7 at the same age.
Are you using youtube highlight videos to rate players?
Are you only using numbers to rate players rainman?This guy has way more impact now than these guys had at 20, and it should not be open for debate. They had 1/3 of his end product at that age. Messi and Ronaldo didn't carry their teams through KO stages in the CL at 20, not even close. Barcelona had Xavi, Iniesta, Eto'o, Henry, Ronaldinho, Toure in the team when Messi was 20 who were all arguably as important or more important for Barca at that time. We had Rooney, RVN, Rio, Scholes, Giggsy who all played more important roles in our team when Cristiano was 20. Haaland is Dortmund right now,and he will only get better. Messi was obviously more technically gifted, but Haaland brings other stuff to the game that we haven't seen before. End product wins you titles and games, and Haaland has more of it than any one else. He is miles a head of Messi and CR7 at the same age.
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Like what? I love Haaland and want him at United more than anyone but his game has way fewer dimensions than the other players you listed by a long long way.
Cristiano's technique is/was more consistent than Mbappe's. Of course Cristiano wasn't on Messi's level but Mbappe has a habit of overhitting the ball with the first touch or while dribbling. I've seen scenes of fluky technique by Mbappe I've never seen from Cristiano. And in terms of finishing technique, Ronaldo is on a completely different level.
Yes but Owen at 20 has more impact than Messi and Ronaldo at 20 too. Its long career ahead, anything could happen.This guy has way more impact now than these guys had at 20, and it should not be open for debate. They had 1/3 of his end product at that age. Messi and Ronaldo didn't carry their teams through KO stages in the CL at 20, not even close. Barcelona had Xavi, Iniesta, Eto'o, Henry, Ronaldinho, Toure in the team when Messi was 20 who were all arguably as important or more important for Barca at that time. We had Rooney, RVN, Rio, Scholes, Giggsy who all played more important roles in our team when Cristiano was 20. Haaland is Dortmund right now,and he will only get better. Messi was obviously more technically gifted, but Haaland brings other stuff to the game that we haven't seen before. End product wins you titles and games, and Haaland has more of it than any one else. He is miles a head of Messi and CR7 at the same age.
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Even if so his not miles away though, Mbappe has great technique, he would be on the same level as Ronaldo for me, Neymar and Messi are above, Haaland is the one who is miles away when it comes to that facet of his game.
Indeed, those numbers are just insane when you look at the numbers that Messi and Ronaldo had at that age. To have 20 CL goals by the age of 20 is just crazy numbers. He's not even playing on of the best teams in the world yet he keeps scoring 1-2 or goals every CL match, against big teams. I'm sure he'll keep breaking records for the next years to come in whatever leagues he plays in and in CL, but he'd have to reach a quarter final/semi/final every season for many years to come to reach those numbers of Messi and Ronaldo. Thats the hard part
Mbappe goalscoring in french isnt really fair considering his playing on a better team with not much of a competition, and in a worse league than Haaland. Anyone have statistic of how many times Messi/Ronaldo became topscorer in the CL/home league and how many goals they scored per season? Would be really interesting to see. I do expect both Mbappe and Haaland to become better and better the 5-6 years to come, considering theyre not even close to reach their peak. Right now its way too early and also unfair I think to compare them to the two modern legends. We'll have clearer picture in some years time, just gotta enjoy the ride really .Ronaldos technique is a mile in front of Mbappe. Mbappe is more of a Bale without the shot than Ronaldo
I think we will have to see. Apparently Mbappe and Haaland wasn't at Messi or Ronaldo level of talent. But no one knows whether they could operate at very high level for another 10-15 years or so. There's is possibilities, if they managed it, they would be up there with the greatest, based on their sheer outputs. Mbappe already won WC at very young age, and Haaland already has huge goals advantages in CL, so the early potential is there.
I don't know, I think you underrate how good Cristiano's technique was during his prime. Cruyff once said that having good technique doesn't mean being capable of doing the difficult stuff but getting the easy things right 10/10 times. And that's not really the case for Mbappe. I always think of by him against United when he fecked up many good situations because the ball didn't behave like he intended and I can't recall Ronaldo struggling so much with his technique at all. For such reasons, I just don't see him as an elite technician. I think among young players, Sancho and Felix for instance are much better than him. And while Haaland's technique is pretty straigth forward and pragmatic, he usually gets the ball to do what he wants and makes few mistakes. He combines it with his strength but quite regularly can beat one or two players, too. He's obviously not doing the really demanding stuff like Mbappe but what he does he does rather reliably.
Mbappe simply doesn't have the talent or skill of Messi (or even CR7). Stats can tell you only so much, people get too hung up on numbers.
