Ole totally deserves a new deal.
We have had a lot of good news this season. Hope it keeps up!
We have had a lot of good news this season. Hope it keeps up!
Solskjaer's contract
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I’m not suggesting I want Ole to go, but I think everyone can see the progress made with the youth team. Ole is the manager however, and will be judged on how the first team is playing.
It's all shaping up that Ole won't get the players he needs anyway. Ed has already put an extra layer of protection around himself so if transfers inevitably go tits up the blame falls on someones else's head. Coupled with the fact he's surrounded himself with people who won't dare say a bad word against the club he's just added an extra layer. Pretty genius really.
If this club had ambitions we'd be going the Naaglesman route but Ed knowing if we do this Naaglesman will be asking for players to win us titles and stirring things up he's more than happy to settle for mediocrity by giving Ole a long term contract. And yet people are willing to except this which is pretty sad really.
You never asked me that question, mate, At no point did you ask me that question.
But I'll answer it...
For the same reason Fergie went with Moyes over Pep, or Jose, or Klopp.
And I've said this a hundred times on here.
We should NEVER hire a manager who only stays 3-4 years at a club. Pep told Fergie he would only stay 3 years, that is why he was never hired. Yes, Woodward would have loved to hire Pep in 2015 when he was being a desperate fecking eejit, but now Woodward has seen the light and won't be doing that again.
I support Manchester United because we evolved players from our academies into the first team whilst winning major trophies. That's the ONLY way we've ever won major trophies in our entire 140-year history.
Give me long-term planning forever over buying up major stars and placing them within our first team. That wouldn't mean anything to me, doing things the way Pep/Jose/Klopp do it. That's the reason Fergie didn't hire them to follow him. It was too short-termism.
We are Manchester United. The Busby Babes. Fergie's Fledglings. We plan long-term. We recruit from within.
Ole is starting from the bottom line and has recruited eleven of the best young talents in the world. Give me that over signing "world class" ready made stars just to fit in every day of the week for the rest of my life. All true Manchester United fans would say the same thing.
Pep or Ole, you ask...
If Pep was our manager today, he'd be gone in 3-4 years. And then we\d have to start ALL OVER AGAIN.
Ole is gonna be here for way, way, WAY beyond that. Fluidly.
It is not a question. Ole. Always.
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Maybe by idiot fans. But clearly not by the club or by fans who see bigger pictures.
Give this man a like, he's laughing at himself!
He deserves a new deal, and it was always going to happen. Its really quite a shame to have to keep on reading the disrespect shown for a manager that's taken the team from 6th to 3rd and then (currently) 2nd.
Might as well. He has 15 I think because he got 8 likes
Firstly, I did ask you that question, like 5 minutes ago. Scroll up the page.
Also, in short, you think Solskjaer > Pep. I’m all for giving young players a chance, of course. Loved when Diallo scored.
However, if you genuinely think Solskjaer is a better manager for us than Pep, then there’s no point of anyone debating with you. I’ll debate the merits of Ole staying with other posters. I just asked you that question to see whether you were being serious or trolling as someone accused you of. Considering you came back exactly how I expected you to, the answer is that you’re trolling. I’ll just make a separate post as to what I think.
No surprise you try to credit Ole for everything. We signed promising young players doesn't matter who the manager was. The problem with these "best teenagers in world football" is that they pretty much never make the first team and these 11 won't be an exception. 2-3 might get into the first team squad but the rest won't.
Since you are obviously living under the rock you will be surprised to hear that the most successful clubs in the world nowadays are the ones that are all about "NOW". Not 5 years into the future, not 10, not 15. It's about now. The idea that we are different than others and will have Ole being here for 20+ years and winning stuff is mental and is one of the many reasons we are being left behind. Another reason is the quote you mentioned "when you become Manchester United manager, you are managing a football club, not just a football team". Manager shouldn't be managing entire club from top to bottom. The club should have its own structure and vision, manager should be the part of that structure. Us giving too much power to managers is what created this mess in the first place.
Only 'idiot fans' would judge our manager by how the first team is playing? I've never read anything like it
What came first, the chicken or the egg?
The most successful clubs in the world are all about "now", because they were thinking about "5 years from now", 5 years ago (Liverpool/City). Or they were always successful in their long term planning and didn't have a mess to fix (Bayern).
Meh, nothing we didn't already know. This club is run by feckwits. it just means we'll pay out more to Ole when we eventually sack him.
Link me to your book so I can bask in your enormous amounts of knowledge about our club?
Jesus Christ how are you still even on here? I even said Ole has been decent, which is quite neutral compared to some - then there's the likes of you who claim him to be some sort of messiah when he can't even get to a final without choking.
I'm going to say it won't be long before you're banned (amazed you haven't already), have fun being a 'real' fan elsewhere.
P.s I know you should only attack the post and not the poster, but I'll take the warning for this, but you (the poster) are an absolute cockwomble, while your post is even worse
Liverpool weren't thinking ahead 5 years ago, this is nonsense because Klopp reached CL final in his 2nd full season and they weren't planning for his arrival before.
Stop making things up.
You do know that Pep is in his 5th year at City and has signed a 2.year extension, right?
And stop depressing me on a relaxing Sunday morning.
I guarantee you Pep’s tenure at City will be longer than Ole’s at United
More sentiment & romance bollocks. This philosophy is holding us back & playing right into the Glazers hands.
I’d much rather that money go to a club legend like Ole than pay for Daddy Glazers’ lap dances.
I’ll never understand fans bitching about club money like it’s coming out of their pocket.
I don't think City got Pep for him to win stuff "5 years from now". They got him to immediately win things and he did. Klopp is also similar. When you get the best managers you expect to win stuff relatively quickly. I don't think there are many clubs in the world that hire the manager for him to transform the entire structure of the club in 5 years. It shouldn't be up to the manager. Manager should be a part of club's vision and existing strategy.
Yes but why can't we wait until June? Last time he had a contract, we lost X games in a row.
I’ll just drop this here so people can stop overreacting. You need a manager in place to go into the transfer window.
To add, any player he has or will bring will get a bigger pay rise than he has.
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The fecking meltdown in here is genuinely tragic. He’s given this club it’s soul back - it’s like people have forgotten the last days of mourinho where speaking personally I HATED almost everything about the club. He’s built a young, exciting squad which is improving every year and NOT ONCE have we underachieved in a competition relative to the squad he has. We’re actually after the right targets for the first time in nearly a decade. We have some top talents coming through and I have total faith they’ll get the chance to prove themselves under this manager. People moan about the football but in patches we’ve played the best football since SAF. If teams don’t sit back against us and give us some space to operate we destroy them. EVERY team we face adapts how they play to stifle us now. I’m assuming we do have some patterns of play if they set up to stop them...we also press higher up the pitch - something both Tuchel and Pep have stated we’re exceptional at - and now play out from the back...other things that get ignored routinely by the tits on here saying we don’t have coaches. That’s all very clear progress. 3rd last year and 2nd this year would be both jobs well done. Is he better than Pep/Klopp? No but nobody out there is so of course he’s getting a new deal.
Yeah he obviously told the players "feck it, I'm in, baby!" during the tactical preparation for those games.
For me the best manager since fergie retired. Has built a likeable team and some superb results against rivals over the 2 and a half years so far. On course for back to back top 4 four finish as well.
Now just needs to win a trophy. People who wants Nagelsman,rose or whichever shiny new toy dont realise managing leipzipg or gladbach is different from managing united. The pressure and intense scrutiny is on another level. There is no guarantee they will succeed. We have really been through turmoil for 5 years or so. Let ole do his thing. Direct your frustrations at the board for not signing players players that ole actually wants. Quality players that will improve the squad. We need to manage our expectations as well. We no longer have the best manager in the world and nor do we have a limitless budget to sign players. Do you know why I always back Ole? Look at the amount of disrespect he gets in the media. If we as the fans, do not back him, who else will? He is a legend and one of us. And this is not blindly backing him. I have seen progress and for me he has done well with the resources he has been given. Yes he needs to imrpove in certain areas of his coaching and management but I am willing to give it time. I am sure even if he gets the sack 1 year from now, the squad and the club will be in a better state/place than at any point when the previous managers were sacked.
Now just needs to win a trophy. People who wants Nagelsman,rose or whichever shiny new toy dont realise managing leipzipg or gladbach is different from managing united. The pressure and intense scrutiny is on another level. There is no guarantee they will succeed. We have really been through turmoil for 5 years or so. Let ole do his thing. Direct your frustrations at the board for not signing players players that ole actually wants. Quality players that will improve the squad. We need to manage our expectations as well. We no longer have the best manager in the world and nor do we have a limitless budget to sign players. Do you know why I always back Ole? Look at the amount of disrespect he gets in the media. If we as the fans, do not back him, who else will? He is a legend and one of us. And this is not blindly backing him. I have seen progress and for me he has done well with the resources he has been given. Yes he needs to imrpove in certain areas of his coaching and management but I am willing to give it time. I am sure even if he gets the sack 1 year from now, the squad and the club will be in a better state/place than at any point when the previous managers were sacked.
This is a public dressing down. You have just come back from a short ban. If you want to stay and post on here please tone down your language. You can disagree with other opinions without attacking the posters or being rude.
Final warning.
If the club know that they want him here then there's no reason to wait.
We've announced some high level structural changes this week. Ole is clearly a big part of that. It sends a poor corporate message to have him approaching his last year
Jesus Christ. Points per game wise Ole is performing at a similar level to van Gaal & is performing worse than Jose. He also hasn’t won a trophy yet, Jose & LVG did. How can Ole be a massive success & his predecessors be massive failures? The statistics really don’t support your argument much at all.
you must have missed his three semifinal exits and getting knocked out of the CL group stage.
Losing to City twice, Chelsea and Seville was UNDERACHIEVING in that competition was it? I think you’ll find they’re all rather good teams. As are RBL and PSG. It was a hard group. The manner that we went out was the issue.
Firstly, as many people have said, let’s not make a decision until the end of the season. Let’s see what Ole does first. My stance has always been clear, if he gets us top 3 and a trophy, or if we end the season trophy less again, then top 2, then he should stay. Anything less than that, because we have better squad than Chelsea and Leicester while Pool are having a shocker, then he has to go.
In terms of our points tally, we are making progress considering we have more points now than we had at this stage of last season, and long may that continue. At the same time, he has messed up 4 semi finals. Manchester United should be winning trophies, not becoming nearly men.
He has also been the manager who has best maintained the values of our club, in the sense that he tries his best to play free-flowing football, whether it’s all out attack in some games or counter attack in others. He has also given many youngsters game time. Mourinho would not have given Diallo, Greenwood, Williams etc games. He’d have chucked Fellaini on against Milan, not Diallo.
However, in terms of style of play, we are the exact same team as we have been since Ole came 2 and a quarter years ago.
The best summation I can come up with is that against big sides, our defensive shape is good because we leave more men behind the ball, but against lesser sides, we are more open because we commit more men forwards due to having to win those games, and our press isn’t organised enough to stop those teams from coming out and countering on us. That is why we have this strange trend of conceding more in games against weaker sides. That is a managerial failure. In attack, it can’t be denied that we solely rely on individual quality against every team to win games, in terms of players making good passes, runs and shots. For example, if Poch or Pep was our manager, we would have scored against Chelsea in that counter right at the end, because our players would have been coached in their movements not to make the exact same runs in a straight line.
My conclusion from this is that Ole is a manager who is the perfect example of the phrase ‘a manager is only as good as his players’. He can only improve players through motivation. At Manchester United, he’ll get 2nd or 3rd. At Cardiff, he’ll get 19th or 20th. If we buy someone like Haaland or Sancho, it’ll greatly improve his and our chances of getting 1st, because they have the individual quality to win games on their own.
Essentially, the message that I’m trying to convey that is while Ole in my view has been the best manager we’ve had since Fergie, we can easily improve on him with a top class young manager like Nagelsmann or someone in that vein. And for me, if he doesn’t achieve the aforementioned top 3 and a trophy, that is exactly what we should do. Otherwise, fine, give him a 1 or 2 year contract. It’ll allow us some stability and if he drastically improves, we can give him a new deal, because it can’t be debated that no other even reasonably big club like Sevilla or Arsenal would hire him.
In terms of our points tally, we are making progress considering we have more points now than we had at this stage of last season, and long may that continue. At the same time, he has messed up 4 semi finals. Manchester United should be winning trophies, not becoming nearly men.
He has also been the manager who has best maintained the values of our club, in the sense that he tries his best to play free-flowing football, whether it’s all out attack in some games or counter attack in others. He has also given many youngsters game time. Mourinho would not have given Diallo, Greenwood, Williams etc games. He’d have chucked Fellaini on against Milan, not Diallo.
However, in terms of style of play, we are the exact same team as we have been since Ole came 2 and a quarter years ago.
The best summation I can come up with is that against big sides, our defensive shape is good because we leave more men behind the ball, but against lesser sides, we are more open because we commit more men forwards due to having to win those games, and our press isn’t organised enough to stop those teams from coming out and countering on us. That is why we have this strange trend of conceding more in games against weaker sides. That is a managerial failure. In attack, it can’t be denied that we solely rely on individual quality against every team to win games, in terms of players making good passes, runs and shots. For example, if Poch or Pep was our manager, we would have scored against Chelsea in that counter right at the end, because our players would have been coached in their movements not to make the exact same runs in a straight line.
My conclusion from this is that Ole is a manager who is the perfect example of the phrase ‘a manager is only as good as his players’. He can only improve players through motivation. At Manchester United, he’ll get 2nd or 3rd. At Cardiff, he’ll get 19th or 20th. If we buy someone like Haaland or Sancho, it’ll greatly improve his and our chances of getting 1st, because they have the individual quality to win games on their own.
Essentially, the message that I’m trying to convey that is while Ole in my view has been the best manager we’ve had since Fergie, we can easily improve on him with a top class young manager like Nagelsmann or someone in that vein. And for me, if he doesn’t achieve the aforementioned top 3 and a trophy, that is exactly what we should do. Otherwise, fine, give him a 1 or 2 year contract. It’ll allow us some stability and if he drastically improves, we can give him a new deal, because it can’t be debated that no other even reasonably big club like Sevilla or Arsenal would hire him.
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Wouldn't it send a worse corporate message if he signs a new contract and we go into meltdown? Again? What rush is there? Ole obviously isn't being signed up by any big clubs so there's no fear of losing him. What's the harm of waiting till the end of the season?
To answer your post we are amongst the biggest spenders in the world on transfers.
I am Ole out, but i can deal with a new contract if it means he will update his coaches. Something about the way we play does not feel right, and given Ole says he is just a man manager and does not coach, we need a refresh of Carrick and co.
I keep reading things like this. So disrespectful.
Hes come into one of the biggest jobs in football. A giant of a club, one that was in a rut with a mess of a squad, and he's delivered progress.
People still talk as though no other club would ever touch him with a bargepole. The PE teacher stigma has deep roots with some
Yes, I thought it was inevitable that a new contract would follow once those changes were announced.
If they have a plan they should stick to it. Basing decisions on 'the next 10 games' whether we make CL or not doesn't really make sense. You could end up making it based on the outcome of the final game, how do you plan like that?
Going into a condensed Euros pre season with uncertainty over who the manager is which then has a knock impact on transfers in/out, backroom staff etc is just asking for trouble.
When Pirlo is at Juve and Koeman is at fecking Barcelona. You’d swear there was a list of 100 world class managers out there just waiting to be hired.
I don't care how good they are. You said Ole has NOT ONCE UNDERACHIEVED in any competition. Even used capital letters like a big boy to try and boost your argument. We were favorites against Chelsea and Sevilla and we were favored to make it out of the CL group. So you are wrong. He has UNDERACHIEVED in three different competitions by my count.
The decision to give him a new contract is questionable. The timing is stupid. Let him put some silverware United's cabinet or at least wait until he's secured consecutive top four finishes before you start giving him a new contract.
It was inevitable that he would sign a new contract, whether you think he's the right man or not. But this timing can sometimes be insane if we choose to give him a new contract now.
We could still fall out of top 4, not win a trophy and have a complete collapse. Apparently we didn't learn from last time.
While it's not likely, it is still a possibility.
Where does that leave us then?
We could still fall out of top 4, not win a trophy and have a complete collapse. Apparently we didn't learn from last time.
While it's not likely, it is still a possibility.
Where does that leave us then?
Fully deserved.
No other top club with ambitions of winning the CL or a big league will hire him. Ask yourself honestly where you think his next job after united will be.