Solskjaer's contract

[Mickeza]

I don't care how good they are. You said Ole has NOT ONCE UNDERACHIEVED in any competition. Even used capital letters like a big boy to try and boost your argument. We were favorites against Chelsea and Sevilla and we were favored to make it out of the CL group. So you are wrong. He has UNDERACHIEVED in three different competitions by my count.

Actually to underachieve relative to the squad you have the strength of the opposition is quite important. It’s basic comprehension but maybe that’s too big boy for you. We weren’t favourites against Chelsea - they were higher than us in the league (or at least very close) at the time. Seville was 50-50 too given their history in the competition, the fact they’d knocked us out of the CL 18 months prior and were on a fantastic run in la liga. So you yourself may have decided we underachieved to bash the manager but in reality that isn’t actually the case.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

I keep reading things like this. So disrespectful.

Hes come into one of the biggest jobs in football. A giant of a club, one that was in a rut with a mess of a squad, and he's delivered progress.

People still talk as though no other club would ever touch him with a bargepole. The PE teacher stigma has deep roots with some

If he wasn't a United legend he'd still be managing in the Norwegian league and not at one of the biggest clubs in the world. He's been managing the same amount of time as Pep so he's hardly a novice and what has he won in the last 7 years as a manager? Sweet FA. That's mediocrity at it's best.

Give him untold riches and he may win things because he certainly isn't a getting blood out of a stone type manager so that would make him managing any club that's not Barca, Madrid, City, Chelsea, PSG very unlikely and can you honestly see him at any of these clubs?

 

[Freak]

I’ll just drop this here so people can stop overreacting. You need a manager in place to go into the transfer window.

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To add, any player he has or will bring will get a bigger pay rise than he has.

That is a silly comparison considering those managers have won big trophies. When Ole does, I'm sure he'll get a pay rise commensurate of his stature as a manager.

 

[red4ever 79]

Biggest fecking palm face of the year goes to this post...

You - clearly - have NO CLUE what's been going on at our football club these past two years if you think what Ole is doing goes anywhere near to mirroring the horrible Galactico approach of LvG/Joe. Pathetic 'fan'. Plastic. A virtual fan is what I call the likes of you. Your 'support' is insignificant.

This guy needs banning, clearly a wum who does nothing but derail almost every thread he is in.

 

[Leftback99]

It was inevitable that he would sign a new contract, whether you think he's the right man or not. But this timing can sometimes be insane if we choose to give him a new contract now.

We could still fall out of top 4, not win a trophy and have a complete collapse. Apparently we didn't learn from last time.
While it's not likely, it is still a possibility.
Where does that leave us then?

Why does it have to leave us anywhere?

Do we want a summer of not knowing who our manager is? Before maybe gambling on one of the uninspiring options available midway through the euros. Not knowing what players he wants, giving him time to 'assess the squad' which we all know isn't good enough, etc.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Are you for real?

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has turned our club right around from being an absolute Galactico mess.

Since Ole has come in full-time in the last 2 years, we have signed ELEVEN of the best teenagers in world football.We are the envy of world football with what we have been doing. We've snapped up the best player from Real Madrid's academy, best player from Barcelona's academy, best player from Man CIty's academy, best players from south America, from Italy...

Eleven top-quality teenagers.


Amad Diallo

Matej Kovar
Marc Jurado
Willy Kambwala

Alvaro Fernandez
Isak
Hansen-Aaroen

Hannibal Mejbri

Charlie McNeill

Joe Hugill

Shola Shoretire
Facundo Pellistri

W'eve actually snapped one of these up - on average - every two months since Ole has come in. And I hear there are two more hot prospects on their way before May.

But of course, a huge number of "supporters" on here wouldn't know that, because they're only interested in the immediate. They have no patience for the future. They would have sacked Matt Busby in 1948 and they would have sacked Sir Alex in 1988. They can't think about the future. It doesn't register in their narrow minds.

Under LvG and Jose we were all about the NOW! Now we are all about the future.. the way our football club should be run.

Ole has totally turned our whole football club around.

I can not fathom how those claiming to be Manchester United fans don't understand that. It's as if they don't know anything about the club they supposedly claim to support.

As Sir Alex Ferguson often says, "when you become Manchester United manager, you are managing a football club, not just a football team".

There is a mammoth difference in those two things.Most fans on here don't understand that. They can't make sense of that. It's pathetic. Imagine not understanding the club you chose to support? Laughable.

As said was a genuine question - no need to for the over the top reply. Why is Ole responsible for those signings though?

 

[LovelyLittlePanda]

Losing to City twice, Chelsea and Seville was UNDERACHIEVING in that competition was it? I think you’ll find they’re all rather good teams. As are RBL and PSG. It was a hard group. The manner that we went out was the issue.

And to think that losing all of them is underachieving is fair. In my opinion we have 4 players that would walk into any team in the world and a very good CB as well.

I keep reading things like this. So disrespectful.

Hes come into one of the biggest jobs in football. A giant of a club, one that was in a rut with a mess of a squad, and he's delivered progress.

People still talk as though no other club would ever touch him with a bargepole. The PE teacher stigma has deep roots with some

It's factually correct though. Ole isn't in the job because he's a proven manager, he's here because he's an ex-player.

When Pirlo is at Juve and Koeman is at fecking Barcelona. You’d swear there was a list of 100 world class managers out there just waiting to be hired.

How are Pirlo and Koeman in the same category? Pirlo just became a manager and Koeman has been around the block a few times in the past 20 years. The Pirlo appointment is similar to Ole's, what's your point exactly?

This guy needs banning, clearly a wum who does nothing but derail almost every thread he is in.

Agreed, it's so obvious going by his history. How he has 8 likes is mind-boggling.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Why does it have to leave us anywhere?

Do we want a summer of not knowing who our manager is? Before maybe gambling on one of the uninspiring options available midway through the euros. Not knowing what players he wants, giving him time to 'assess the squad' which we all know isn't good enough, etc.

We don't need to have a summer of not knowing who our manager is. What harm is there in waiting until the end of the season then evaluate? If Ole reaches expectations then by all means give him another 2 years but if our form falls off a cliff from now till then then we'll be forced to look for another manager anyway. If we finish 5th, without a cup win would you want him to continue ? Because it is possible.

 

[LovelyLittlePanda]

We don't need to have a summer of not knowing who our manager is. What harm is there in waiting until the end of the season then evaluate? If Ole reaches expectations then by all means give him another 2 years but if our form falls off a cliff from now till then then we'll be forced to look for another manager anyway. If we finish 5th, without a cup win would you want him to continue ? Because it is possible.

What benefit is there in giving him 2 years instead of 1? I'm all for an extension if he makes top 4, mind you.

 

[Mickeza]

And to think that losing all of them is underachieving is fair. In my opinion we have 4 players that would walk into any team in the world and a very good CB as well.

Sorry...What 4 players do we have that would walk into any team in the world? I mean if this is the quality of squad you think Ole works with then yeah he should be sacked. Of course that’s total fantasy...we don’t have a single player that would walk into any team on the planet.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Actually to underachieve relative to the squad you have the strength of the opposition is quite important. It’s basic comprehension but maybe that’s too big boy for you. We weren’t favourites against Chelsea - they were higher than us in the league (or at least very close) at the time. Seville was 50-50 too given their history in the competition, the fact they’d knocked us out of the CL 18 months prior and were on a fantastic run in la liga. So you yourself may have decided we underachieved to bash the manager but in reality that isn’t actually the case.

We were behind chelsea by one point and had beaten them three times already that season. Tell me how Sevilla's squad is better than ours, go on. You didn't even try to defend the CL debacle so there's that at least. Anyways we were betting favorites for all those things i mentioned so we don't have to rely on individual opinions. Maybe you decided we didn't underachieve to try and make the manager look better.

 

[Cassidy]

Actually to underachieve relative to the squad you have the strength of the opposition is quite important. It’s basic comprehension but maybe that’s too big boy for you. We weren’t favourites against Chelsea - they were higher than us in the league (or at least very close) at the time. Seville was 50-50 too given their history in the competition, the fact they’d knocked us out of the CL 18 months prior and were on a fantastic run in la liga. So you yourself may have decided we underachieved to bash the manager but in reality that isn’t actually the case.

Clearly our squad was a lot better than Sevillas

 

[cyberman]

Genuine question, what changes has Ole been responsible for?

Is this a joke. He has basically coached the sane 11 from last year better than any manager we have had over 2 seasons.
Feck me LVG was after Ramos and Muller before he could get us to where he wanted, Jose needed a whole new 11.
Ole got Cavani and Telles in the summer and made us significantly better from where he already had us

 

[laughtersassassin]

I'm outta here till next week. We better beat AC and Leiceste then.

Has to start being standards now he is on a new contract. People are going way too easy in Ole with cup competitions.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

What benefit is there in giving him 2 years instead of 1? I'm all for an extension if he makes top 4, mind you.

Because 2 sounded better than the 5 the club will probably offer. I'm all for a 1 year extension but we all know that's not going to happen even though it makes the most sense.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

I keep reading things like this. So disrespectful.

Hes come into one of the biggest jobs in football. A giant of a club, one that was in a rut with a mess of a squad, and he's delivered progress.

People still talk as though no other club would ever touch him with a bargepole. The PE teacher stigma has deep roots with some

I doubt Ole cares much. Not as much as you and some others do. He walks away with millions doing an average job managing this club.

 

[Adisa]

Our cub has improved at least 10-fold since Ole has come in...

He has done a staggering job managing our football club

Hyperbole

 

[Greck]

We don't need to have a summer of not knowing who our manager is. What harm is there in waiting until the end of the season then evaluate? If Ole reaches expectations then by all means give him another 2 years but if our form falls off a cliff from now till then then we'll be forced to look for another manager anyway. If we finish 5th, without a cup win would you want him to continue ? Because it is possible.

Took long enough. I've been expecting this news for a while as Woodward's signature move is unnecessary contract extensions. The ability to make top 4 consistently is also far more relevant to maximizing the Glazer's return on investment than winning actual trophies. So it's a win for the board as well.

And before someone calls me out on progress, no, i don't see it. We were actually winning things and making cup finals under our previous managers. The biggest scam Ole pulled was convincing fans he had done anything unique from his predecessors. Literally the only thing he has on them is making top 4 twice in a row and even that "accomplishment" is subject to qualification as Jose also qualified us for CL in 2 consecutive seasons but by other means

 

[Leftback99]

We don't need to have a summer of not knowing who our manager is. What harm is there in waiting until the end of the season then evaluate? If Ole reaches expectations then by all means give him another 2 years but if our form falls off a cliff from now till then then we'll be forced to look for another manager anyway. If we finish 5th, without a cup win would you want him to continue ? Because it is possible.

I know it's possible and given our injury problems the slide is likely to start today but it wouldn't necessarily mean sacking him would be the right thing to do.

So he doesn't make CL, then what? Sack him on the last day of the season (or worse spend weeks deliberating), tear up all the plans for the summer transfer window and start looking for a new guy with no guarantee they will do any better?

 

[MonkeysMagic]

I dont see a queue of top clubs (or any clubs for that matter!) knocking on the door to prize him away. If he must still be the manager for the 2021-22 season, let's just wait and then determine if he deserves an extension.

 

[BusbyMalone]

My worry is that a series of 'just in time' results will protract his stay and that we'll go on with football that in some ways is improved but rarely head and shoulders over what we've seen post-Ferguson and runs of form that we're still currently in that but that he'll pull the occasional win out of the bag unexpectedly which'll be used as a stay of execution on a perpetual basis. Our last 6 league games being disappointing but "Oh we've just beat City, let's give him a few more games" - which are followed by more results not good enough but "Oh we've just been X...." and "Oh we've just got a result against Y" constantly being used as reasons to carry on.

Surely it isn't satisfactory if the only way any manager loses his job here is if we finish the season 5th or below. We owe ourselves a higher standard than that, don't we?

That's a point that I have made myself. It seems we're stuck in limbo at the moment. Under Ole, we're not disastrous enough to fully justify a sacking, but not good enough to give you any sort of confidence that he's the man for the long term (IMO, anyway). It's all "just enough", and he has a penchant for pulling a result out of the bag when it's needed most (which he deserves credit for) which kind of resets the whole argument, really.

I think that's why there's a lot of divisiveness in the fan base. No side is particularly wrong (although those on the extreme side are hysterical) because you can see where they are coming from whether they're advocating for him to stay, or saying that he should go.

 

[Greck]

I know it's possible and given our injury problems the slide is likely to start today but it wouldn't necessarily mean sacking him would be the right thing to do.

So he doesn't make CL, then what? Sack him on the last day of the season (or worse spend weeks deliberating), tear up all the plans for the summer transfer window and start looking for a new guy with no guarantee they will do any better?

Pick a name out of a hat and you're not likely to find a name that could put us on track to go 3 seasons without a trophy. Even Moyes won a trophy albeit a worthless one

I'm indifferent to sacking him but I'm 100% sure he doesn't need to be extended right now

 

[Mickeza]

We were behind chelsea by one point and had beaten them three times already that season. Tell me how Sevilla's squad is better than ours, go on. You didn't even try to defend the CL debacle so there's that at least. Anyways we were betting favorites for all those things i mentioned so we don't have to rely on individual opinions. Maybe you decided we didn't underachieve to try and make the manager look better.

British betting markets? How unusual for them to underestimate a foreign side. Reguilon, Kounde/Diego Carlos and Ocampos would all have got into our starting 11 at that time. Banega is a very good player, and Navas was far better than AWB going forward a year ago. You also add in the context of the games coming thick and fast, the whole bubble thing and Pogba/Rashford not fully match sharp after long layoffs then I just don’t see it as underachieving. And going out of the CL group containing 2 semi-finalists wouldn’t have been described as a debacle before the CL started - it was a very hard group and most thought we’d struggle. The fact we were better than PSG in both games shows me how much progress we’ve made since Ole first came. The game in Turkey and the manner of defeat in Germany was the problem. The crux is 90% of this forum agree we need 4 top players in key positions yet still act as if Solskjaer is a failed PE teacher for finishing second and constantly getting to semi-finals. It’s fecking bizarre.

 

[Jim Beam]

I doubt Ole cares much. Not as much as you and some others do. He walks away with millions doing an average job managing this club.

Think he does care and also does his best.

Not his fault that those above think what he showed so far deserves an extension and a pay raise.

And it is not even money that is an issue (he will be 5th highest paid manager in the league, so definitely nothing extreme). It is the timing. Not a single reason to give the contract at this point in time.

 

[Zen86]

Pick a name out of a hat and you're not likely to find a name that could put us on track to go 3 seasons without a trophy. Even Moyes won a trophy albeit a worthless one

It’s a shame you’re not running the club, we’d have been far more successful using logic like that.

 

[RashyForPM]

I doubt Ole cares much. Not as much as you and some others do. He walks away with millions doing an average job managing this club.

He definitely cares. He’s a United fan. He had Rashford’s shirt over his TV when watching us beat Pool in 2018. Something trivial, but while it’s fine to say that he’s not good enough, which I definitely agree with to a fairly large extent, he definitely cares.

 

[Greck]

It’s a shame you’re not running the club, we’d have been far more successful using logic like that.

Funny because we literally were far more successful prior to Ole's tenure even while making bad choices. Your sarcastic statement is actually truer than you realise

 

[cyril C]

If the club know that they want him here then there's no reason to wait.

We've announced some high level structural changes this week. Ole is clearly a big part of that. It sends a poor corporate message to have him approaching his last year

I am not saying NOT giving him a new contract. I just try to remind us what happened last time when he had his 1st contract. In fact, you can announce the "good news" on final league game, celebrate his achievement and a pad on his back for a job well done.

Announcing the other new appointment is a different matter, it re-direct all agents to the right person in future, and give them time to figure out what kind of entertainment will be required to sell high and buy low. PR friendly.

 

[Desert Eagle]

British betting markets? How unusual for them to underestimate a foreign side. Reguilon, Kounde/Diego Carlos and Ocampos would all have got into our starting 11 at that time. Banega is a very good player, and Navas was far better than AWB going forward a year ago. You also add in the context of the games coming thick and fast, the whole bubble thing and Pogba/Rashford not fully match sharp after long layoffs then I just don’t see it as underachieving. And going out of the CL group containing 2 semi-finalists wouldn’t have been described as a debacle before the CL started - it was a very hard group and most thought we’d struggle. The fact we were better than PSG in both games shows me how much progress we’ve made since Ole first came. The game in Turkey and the manner of defeat in Germany was the problem. The crux is 90% of this forum agree we need 4 top players in key positions yet still act as if Solskjaer is a failed PE teacher for finishing second and constantly getting to semi-finals. It’s fecking bizarre.

Of course the famous foreign side Chelski. You don't see losing to Sevilla in a semifinal as a failure, fair enough it explains why you are happy with Ole.

 

[laughtersassassin]

I know it's possible and given our injury problems the slide is likely to start today but it wouldn't necessarily mean sacking him would be the right thing to do.

So he doesn't make CL, then what? Sack him on the last day of the season (or worse spend weeks deliberating), tear up all the plans for the summer transfer window and start looking for a new guy with no guarantee they will do any better?

Spot on. All Ole done is made us slightly more consistent in the league but has made us worse in the cups.

So now we don't win anything.

The squad is not good enough to win the league but it is good enough to win a cup every year or two and Ole is failing at that.

Yet for some reason every cup an excuse is made why that is ok.

When you look back in football winning things is more important.

Compare Jose's seasons. Hist first when we win the EL, Carling Cup and came 6th was better than his second when we came 2nd.

So if with Ole we are just coming in the top 4 and not expected to win things it's just a waste of time. We are arguably the best team in the EL two years in a row. He should be expected to make a final at the very least

 

[Idxomer]

We made 4 cup finals in the 3 years before Ole came in, winning three of them

Under Ole, we made 0 finals in 2 and a half years, and this drought will most likely not be over before going into the next season.

 

[Zen86]

Funny because we literally were far more successful prior to Ole's tenure even while making bad choices. Your sarcastic statement is actually truer than you realise

Stupid and flippant comments are easy to make when you’re posting on an internet forum with zero accountability.

 

[Adisa]

A bit meh in the grand scheme of things. He was always going to be here until it is clear he isn't good enough. Until that point comes, they can give him whatever they want.
His remit it top 4, nothing more.
We are basically Arsenal under Wenger.

 

[Judas]

While there's still a chance we can finish this season having done worse than last season, a contract renewal is a bit premature. I'm sure its been in the works for a while, and its only a matter of time, but I don't see the harm in waiting till the season has concluded and we know where we are.

 

[clarkydaz]

I keep reading things like this. So disrespectful.

Hes come into one of the biggest jobs in football. A giant of a club, one that was in a rut with a mess of a squad, and he's delivered progress.

People still talk as though no other club would ever touch him with a bargepole. The PE teacher stigma has deep roots with some

Serious question. What other premier league club would take him as manager

Ole has done a lot of good for the club, (ironically peoples defense is how he improves the club away from the pitch) which seems to be what Darren Fletcher and Murtough have just been elected to do

It the 90 minutes pitchside which is the worry. His game management is appalling

 

[Mickeza]

Of course the famous foreign side Chelski. You don't see losing to Sevilla in a semifinal as a failure, fair enough it explains why you are happy with Ole.

We weren’t favourites against Chelsea. I don’t really give a feck what you quote. Losing to Chelsea with the squad they have isn’t underachieving. And I’m happy with Ole currently because we’re making progress and clearly improving. We were nowhere 2.5 years ago when he joined now I think we’re 4 players off a top side. If he is the man to win with us I have my doubts but the squad will definitely be there to win once he does leave. But you go off and post about patterns of play and how brilliant some young German who has won feck all is. That’s all we need to make Fred and Mctominay with Martial and Dan James in front of them a title winning team.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

I know it's possible and given our injury problems the slide is likely to start today but it wouldn't necessarily mean sacking him would be the right thing to do.

So he doesn't make CL, then what? Sack him on the last day of the season (or worse spend weeks deliberating), tear up all the plans for the summer transfer window and start looking for a new guy with no guarantee they will do any better?

A club our size has to prepare for all eventualities. If there's any sort of doubt on his ability then steps should of been taken. Filling in the gaps it looks like how it went with Pochettino but each time his name was mentioned Ole went on another run and kept his job safe. Now that option is off the table and it looks like the club are going down the easy route and extending Oles contract.

I'm not using you as an example but the goalposts are certainly changing. Just a short while ago when we were sitting top of the league Ole had to finish in the top 4 to continue as our manager. Now the wheels are unbalanced again I'm hearing even if he doesn't make top 4 he should stay. Surely top 4 should be a minimum expectation given how long he's been in the job?

 

[mitchmouse]

If he wasn't a United legend he'd still be managing in the Norwegian league and not at one of the biggest clubs in the world. He's been managing the same amount of time as Pep so he's hardly a novice and what has he won in the last 7 years as a manager? Sweet FA. That's mediocrity at it's best.

Give him untold riches and he may win things because he certainly isn't a getting blood out of a stone type manager so that would make him managing any club that's not Barca, Madrid, City, Chelsea, PSG very unlikely and can you honestly see him at any of these clubs?

It's amazing how many United fans can't seem to separate Ole the (fantastic player) from Ole the (very ordinary) manager. I don't see this progress that the propaganda keeps harping on about. No closer to winning the league than we were last season in times of the gap between us and the winners

 

[mitchmouse]

A club our size has to prepare for all eventualities. If there's any sort of doubt on his ability then steps should of been taken. Filling in the gaps it looks like how it went with Pochettino but each time his name was mentioned Ole went on another run and kept his job safe. Now that option is off the table and it looks like the club are going down the easy route and extending Oles contract.

I'm not using you as an example but the goalposts are certainly changing. Just a short while ago when we were sitting top of the league Ole had to finish in the top 4 to continue as our manager. Now the wheels are unbalanced again I'm hearing even if he doesn't make top 4 he should stay. Surely top 4 should be a minimum expectation given how long he's been in the job?

top four has to be the bare minimum for any United manager. we certainly got rid of others bosses who didn't achieve that

 

[Greck]

Stupid and flippant comments are easy to make when you’re posting on an internet forum with zero accountability.

Nope, nothing flippant, the comment was accurate, just take a look at our trophy cabinet before he joined. I get the feeling you don't even know what you're supposed to be responding to anymore. In case you missed it Ole isn't irreplaceable nor are his managerial talents or credentials any special that he has to be tied down with a contract extension this early