I never said he should be sacked, I'm very much for a Ole in, don't know why you feel the need to instantly straw man someone who disagrees with you.
fair enough!
Personally I thought top 4 would be a struggle after the transfer window and I've been consistent on that. I didn't get carried away when we were top.
Sure keep deluding yourself we weren't favorites against chelsea if it makes the loss more acceptable to you. Making progress/ Clearly improving/ we were nowhere when he took over/4 players away. Appreciate the rehashing of the Ole in greatest hits but ultimately he's won feck all and doesn't look like winning anything in the foreseeable future.
Who do you think will be the next Barcelona or Madrid manager?
We can make progress without winning trophies.
Of course there is a reason to do this now.
I didn’t strawman anyone...I thought you were moaning about Ole getting a new contract stating we have 4 players that would “walk into any side in the world” - I wrongly jumped to a conclusion. Some of the 4 players you mentioned would start for some of the clubs you’ve mentioned. That’s an entirely different thing. I’ll say it quietly before I get attacked for saying something positive about Ole but the 4 players you mention - 2 have improved immensely under Ole and the other was signed by him...
You think the players wouldn't fight for top 4 regardless?
It is very easy to sell words. They are cheap.
. Sure they are. That is why CL one year is won by Dinamo, one year by Leipzig then Barca then Arsenal and so on..I guess last year Arsenal were... a really good domestic side?
Same as domestic cups. In last 5,6 years City is the luckiest club in England i guess.
Wait till you see. They will half back him again by buying a few players for the future and whatever discount deals we can for squad players and that’ll be it. It’s a slow build and fans are going to continue blaming the manager when it’s clearly the owners setting the pace. Everyone would have taken second at the start of the season after the first few games, especially with the roster he has at his disposal. Halfway through the season in first place and this place is still totally divided on him. It’s mad. He should be given a few more top players to have a right crack at it. We aren’t far off but if we have a similar summer then we aren’t going to win next year either.
So they were just lucky? Bloody hell, i have no words.
Still too much money. I mean he’s not half the manager Pep is. The fact that everyone agrees that salary is okay just says it all.
If we follow that logic why buy new players, it is no guarantee they will do better.
There's never a guarantee. Therefore no manager should ever be sacked
Luck obviously plays a massive part in cup knockout competitions. Are you genuinely arguing that point?
Why pay him so much not like he would leave....
Great logic. So why buy new players then? Is there a guarantee that Sancho will be good for us or be a flop? Haaland? Messi?!!
I don't get this also. He had one mil contract with Molde. We were only interested. So why 8 mil? Why just don't match his market value? If someone offers him a contract on 8 mil then sure, match it but this? Same thing like we are doing with players for years (Jones, Williams, Lingard).
Maybe I misread. I meant about the criticism he receives. I've no doubt that he cares about the job.
Luck is important in everything. But luck is just a small small part in it. When you say lottery then you are saying that everybody have same chance. Which is simply not true. Real won 4 cl in 5 years. Were they just luckier than others? Sevilla won 5 or 6 EL already. Luck?
When Klopp lost like seven finals in a row was he not good enough?
Come back when Ole is getting us to finals with teams preforming above the sum of their parts.
There are no guarantees in sport and you always have to take risks. But to answer your question - yes, most likely sack. We have a squad clearly good enough for TOP 4, finishing lower means we are underperforming. Personally I think we haven't improved pretty much at all this season on the pitch. We have exact same issues we had since Ole took over, our performances are usually shambolic apart from random 10 min spells here and there, style of play is not better than Jose's, our 2nd place we are currently in is very flattering and we are very likely to end up on similar points tally we did last season. Our signings are also very meh, all of them have a very real potential to join the deadwood list apart from Bruno. I think Ole definitely does a lot of right things off the pitch and he is generally a likeable guy who tries his best I just struggle to see improvement on the field so if we don't make CL, I think he should be gone.
Klopp won 2 leagues during that run. And at the end won the most important cup in club's football.
To give time for Ole to work with the new appointments of Murtough and Fletcher to see if that works?
