Because like many have said we should have been waiting until the end of the season and another thing to bear in mind is top players like Bruno will not put up with just contending for top 4 very long I am certain of thatWhy is it rushed exactly?
Solskjaer's contract
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Why? I would hope the club are able to make an informed decision on a manager that can't be completely undone within 10 games. That'll be one less contract to sort in what is likely to be another short window.
Because it's the smart thing to do and please don't buy into Ole signing a new deal enhances our chance of getting Haaland because absolutely certain he will go elsewhere due to our yankee leeches
You're going to have to do better than ' the smart thing to do.' That's a cop out. Please see my edited post above.
What's the rush. Nobody is going to be battering our door down for him. Finish the season. Then he has to be right up the challenging and win a trophy of some sort next season. Then he will have earned the contract.
I don't get why this is a rush. The club have been impressed with the progression we've made under him and want him to continue his job here. It means we can begin/continue any plans we have for the summer window instead of signing a new manager in June and panicking to get it all done in what will be a short window.
There's always a constant barrage of complaints because we haven't done all of our business by the end of the first week of the Summer transfer window. The club are being proactive here. If they are confident he is the man for the job whats the issue?
The sensible answer but strangely outrageous for some. Just a short time ago (when we were top of the league) 99% of Oles most staunchist supporters were in agreement that if we didn't make top 4 Ole has to go. Now it's not a certainty there seems to be a lot of back tracking going on in case we miss out on top 4. If he signs now problem solved.
Maybe he’ll have a top 4 clause in his contract (otherwise we can get rid with a minimal pay-off).
Incredible that the club comes up with all those Balon D’or clauses when buying players but can’t be more creative when negotiating manager contracts.
Incredible that the club comes up with all those Balon D’or clauses when buying players but can’t be more creative when negotiating manager contracts.
That is why I said he should be here next season. If he cannot produce another improvement, then we are just treading water, not making progress. He has to get Top 4 this season yet. After being top at one point, he should be looking at second place, because 3rd is not better than last season, especially if Leicester managed to finish above us although I don't think they will really.
And you know this how?
Oh I know what I was responding to, it was this piece of intellectual brilliance:
Being top at one point and spending a considerable time is definitely an improvement. How many points were we off first and second last year?
That's your view and thats fine. But the board are clearly happen with the progress they've seen. So if they're happy, why is this a rush? What do we gain from waiting until the end of the season? It's no different to the appointment of Fletcher and Murtough, and it makes sense for the board to sort a new contract with Ole straight after. Nothing is going to change in the next month and a half.
Well we weren’t in the CL and Ole took us out of it at the earliest opportunity, we lost in another semi and we don’t know about league position, EL or FA yet so I’d say jury is very much still out no?
I’m not trying to be antagonistic but I do feel there’s this narrative forming that he’s already achieved something that hasn’t happened yet. If the season ended today (assuming we beat WHUM) I’d say we’re playing pretty poorly but we have made progress as we’re closer to City and league position is better. The fact, however, that so many fans aren’t happy with Ole or are still on the fence should be an indicator that he’s not been this runaway success people seem to paint him as and, which is the point of this thread, why should he get a new contract now? Especially given the nosedive in form that happened when he came in full time.
Amazing how all that goes under radar with Ole inners. 81 point and two trophies were shit but this now is great?
And successive CL appearance with Jose. This is why I asked what is the fetish with this top 4 business? Top 4 don't count unless it gets to CL. Now some will say they don't care about CL so long as we get into top 4.
I want all the best for my kids to be honest
.May they have a better life then me and I'll die an happy man !
If he signs a new deal then misses out on top 4 and crashes out of the cup competitions, how do the staunch Ole in supporters justify the in-season contract renewal? Curious to see the mental gymnastics at play justifying the deal in that scenario.
To be quite honest - I don't understand this huge debate about a new contract or not. Every single manager who fails to get the result that is required, will get fired. So the only difference is if the payout the manager will get is 3 million or 7 million.
If you have faith in a manager you give him a new contract - if you don't you fire him. Managers dont sit out their contract and is then being replaced - that only happens in case of someone like Wenger or Ferguson.
If Solskjaer fails to reach top-4 and we dont do really well next season - he will get fired. If he reaches top-4 for the second year in a row, he deserves a new contract. If the results dont continue to improve - he will eventually get fired anyway so what is the problem ?
If you have faith in a manager you give him a new contract - if you don't you fire him. Managers dont sit out their contract and is then being replaced - that only happens in case of someone like Wenger or Ferguson.
If Solskjaer fails to reach top-4 and we dont do really well next season - he will get fired. If he reaches top-4 for the second year in a row, he deserves a new contract. If the results dont continue to improve - he will eventually get fired anyway so what is the problem ?
Sorry but that is just stupid.
You seriously think that's a valid question when the answer is so obvious? I don't think it will happen but what happens if we free fall to 5th. Is it still signs of progress? Of course it's different from the appointment of Fletcher and Murtough. Fletcher hasn't even started his role so how difficult will it be to replace him? Appointing a manager as the face of United is a completely different prospect. Remember what happened the last time we gave Ole a contract before the season finished because I sure do?
We kept him, and the board have been happy with what he has done since... I mean, way to shit on your own point.
Of course the board are happy. Someone who doesn't cause waves inside the club is like a wet dream for them. God forbid we actually get a manager with ambitions would mean the club would be the fall guys when inevitably we fail to sign players needed to win us titles whereas Ole will just come out with excuses defending them.We kept him, and the board have been happy with what he has done since... I mean, way to shit on your own point.
So how many times did Fergie come out and show his 'ambition' by criticizing the owners? Anymore logical fallacies you want to go over while we are here? Do try and stay on point next time. I'm not interested in getting into a debate about how terrible you think Ole is.
We should have a manager that moans and cries in press conferences when things are going his way in the transfer window like our last manager? That worked out well for him and the club didn’t it.
Well it won't matter because he would be sacked and it would be another stupid contract given out like the Mourinho one in early 2018. I don't think we will finish outside the top four but it's a possibility and that's why I don't understand why they don't just wait. It's not like Ole's deal is running out either he has another year left on it.
Because thats been the difference between sacking or keeping a manager.
Hysteria for pointing out the obvious? Me thinks not
SAF is a footballing god and will deservedly be remembered in our history forever but that doesn't mean he was infallible. His comment no value in the market should of been a warning sign of things to come. The teams decline since that comment was notable and having to call Scholes out of retirement is an example of that. Yes he won the league in his final season but no other manager in the history of the sport would of done that which shows how good he was.
SAF didn't plan for his departure and left an aging squad which was more or less disbanded a season after. If Ole leaves half the legacy that SAF did then he can pick and choose what he wants to say to the owners but at the minute continually defending the Glazers won't do anything but see him out of a job.
Again, logical fallacy. You've drawn correlation between speaking out against the owners and having ambition. We've got the the greatest manager in history holding the exact stance as Ole, but I suppose he lacked ambition too, hey?
It's completely nonsensical, but you'll grab any chance you get to have a good moan about Ole. It's utterly tiresome. I mean, you've somehow digressed from a conversation about whether the contact was given to soon, to Ole having no ambition.It’s time to accept the club is happy with mediocre Finishes each season.
It shouldn't be a debate. The smart thing is to evaluate at the end of the season. It's a year where you already have huge losses and probably won't be spending much in the summer. Why waste 4 mill if you don't have to. They can begin negotiating now, but they shouldn't finalize before the season end. We could miss top 4, then in that case he has to go. Bruno could get hurt and we miss top 4, in that case maybe it's not his fault and you give him extension albeit a shorter one. UTD need to start behaving like a properly run club and not repeat the mistake they made with MourinhoTo be quite honest - I don't understand this huge debate about a new contract or not. Every single manager who fails to get the result that is required, will get fired. So the only difference is if the payout the manager will get is 3 million or 7 million.
If you have faith in a manager you give him a new contract - if you don't you fire him. Managers dont sit out their contract and is then being replaced - that only happens in case of someone like Wenger or Ferguson.
If Solskjaer fails to reach top-4 and we dont do really well next season - he will get fired. If he reaches top-4 for the second year in a row, he deserves a new contract. If the results dont continue to improve - he will eventually get fired anyway so what is the problem ?
I think we justify it by understanding a small number of games don't automatically define the longer term future.
Greatest manager in history who failed to speak out and left an aging squad that was broken up shortly after he left. Once again I'll say after everything he achieved at the club that's his perogative. If Ole wants to carry on in the same vain before winning zilch that to is his perogative and I haven't digressed from anything. I was replying to your comment on the board being happy with him. I said of course they're happy with him because he's never going to say anything against the owners which makes their job a whole lot easier which is carrying on the conversation and not digressing from it.Again, logical fallacy. You've drawn correlation between speaking out against the owners and having ambition. We've got the the greatest manager in history holding the exact stance as Ole, but I suppose he lacked ambition too, hey?
Exactly this. People forget we also made an FA Cup final with him. Not just a semi.
I think the bottom line is how much more time should Ole get given we can't mad-money splash our way to success? Even in a normal market we don't have silly money to throw around (mind you we've done that to an extent) and in this covid infested market that's entirely out of the question. Eventually we need a manager that can build a team and make them punch above their weight class to some success. This is what Klopp did at Liverpool.
If we believe Ole can do that, then he deserves more time and support. I for one don't think he is the guy to take us to PL/CL titles. If people think he is, I'd love to hear some points made objectively, not just random throw everything at the wall and see what sticks arguments.
If we believe Ole can do that, then he deserves more time and support. I for one don't think he is the guy to take us to PL/CL titles. If people think he is, I'd love to hear some points made objectively, not just random throw everything at the wall and see what sticks arguments.
It either is or it aint. You can't pick and choose when it's relatable to the person's ambition just because you've decided Ole is crap.
Of course you've digressed. The conversation was about whether the contract offer was rushed, and you've reverted to type and started bitching about Ole's ambition. The board being happy with Ole is the reason why they've offering him a new contract now. If you want to go on yet another rant about why Ole is a horrendous manager then find someone bored enough to entertain that conversation, again.
If we offer him a contract before the end of the season that’s dumb even by Woodward’s standards.
He’s done nothing to show me that we will ever achieve anything under him. He talks the talk about “United Way” then sets us up to draw 0-0 in almost every big game, or takes off our one attacking outlet with over 20 minutes to go against Milan, leaving us with 8 defensive players on the pitch desperately trying to cling to a 1-0. Fearless player, cowardly manager.
His status with the fans makes him a perfect appointment for Ed & the Glazers. They will continue to line their pockets, we will challenge for top 4 every year & win nothing.
He’s done nothing to show me that we will ever achieve anything under him. He talks the talk about “United Way” then sets us up to draw 0-0 in almost every big game, or takes off our one attacking outlet with over 20 minutes to go against Milan, leaving us with 8 defensive players on the pitch desperately trying to cling to a 1-0. Fearless player, cowardly manager.
His status with the fans makes him a perfect appointment for Ed & the Glazers. They will continue to line their pockets, we will challenge for top 4 every year & win nothing.
If he doesn't get 4th place in the next 10 games he has to go.
Just wait it out and see imo.
It's actually pretty funny you accusing me of ranting when it's you about to have an aneurism
Go back, read through the posts, see what direction they took, come back and you won't even have to apologise