Prophet Muhammad cartoon sparks Batley Grammar School protest
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Come on, really? This is a rebuttal, to not read into something someone posts online? Dear christ. I’ll just stop here.
Well of course, context is everything. But we’re not talking about just black paint are we. We’re talking about mimicking black skin, and in the process dehumanising an entire race of people. A race that has been oppressed for centuries. What do Islam have backing up their offence? They just don’t like it?
More people seeking stuff to be offended about yawn.
Worlds gonna become such a boring sanitized place.
There is no way you can make any good argument for these people protesting and intimidating people outside a school, quicker people wise up to religion being a fairy tale the better (but thats for another thread)
Worlds gonna become such a boring sanitized place.
There is no way you can make any good argument for these people protesting and intimidating people outside a school, quicker people wise up to religion being a fairy tale the better (but thats for another thread)
I get the feeling that the tone of debate is more sympathetic because those that have been offended are seen as a group who are prejudiced against in a wider societal context.
The problem is that any perceived insult to Muhammed can be the petrol to the fire. Part of the problem is that a violent interpretation of the Quran and the Hadiths are plausible, I don't say it's necessarily the correct interpretation, but its plausible, therefore I think it's very hard to imagine that there won't be a certain % of muslims even though a minority, but even a minority number of the soon worlds largest religion is quite a lot who is going to make life for a fair amount of people unless we bow to their demands and I don't think we should.
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I think it's pretty clear you are Islamophobic or bigoted.
Just to reiterate - these are school kids and their parents protesting at a school gate, in a little town in the North of England.
It's hardly mobilising 1.5bn Muslims across the globe..
Yep. We’re basically debating how one’s different flavor of belief in fiction should be more important than another’s different belief in fiction. The whole debate is ultimately about fiction, but unfortunately adherence to different flavors of fiction can cause real life harm.
Okay saying making life miserable for everyone was a mistake. Perhaps I should have said a certain amount of people. I'm very critical of Islam. If you want to attach a phobia to me, you can go ahead and call me whatever you like.
Fair enough. Apologies for misunderstanding you.
All of those institutions failed for decades. It wasn't until societal attitude towards the Church began to change, that the role of all those you have mentioned became easier and even possible.
No problem. I agree with what you wrote in the post,
I'm sorry but it's frustrating when you start your post with being grounded in reality and then act as if I suggested that cartoons shouldn't exist and then act as I was against educating people on these topics through mediums that give them enough informations which is my issue with cartoons, they don't give you enough informations they aren't an ideal medium for all audiences, that's literally what I said.
You keep saying this and what I'm saying is that is not the case. You genuinely think these folks protesting just don't like it?
It is a problem when Islam dictates the curriculum of secular societies. We had oppression of Christianity for ages and when we finally see less and less of that because people had the balls to stand up against ite now have certain drawings that can’t be shown or drawn because some ancient book tells it’s inappropriate. And what I learned today even that’s debatable if the ancient books even say such a thing.
I’m glad there were people who were courageous enough to oppose religious fanatism so that I live in a free society today. I thought we were getting past religious organizations having such a strong influence on our educational system but judging by this thread many don’t mind conservative religious influences on teacher’s decisions which kind of scares me.
I’m glad there were people who were courageous enough to oppose religious fanatism so that I live in a free society today. I thought we were getting past religious organizations having such a strong influence on our educational system but judging by this thread many don’t mind conservative religious influences on teacher’s decisions which kind of scares me.
Not offending people for the sake of it isn't to be mixed with oppression. Unless of course offending strangers is part of your normal way of life.
That’s their whole point. They invoke emotions & hopefully cause thought. They’re essential, both in purpose & their delivery ability. Always have been. Of course they will always be dumbed down v. any more scholarly or lengthy discussion on the topic, but that alone doesn’t negate their importance. Or shouldn’t be embargoed when they’re being specifically discussed in proper educational settings, secondary school being one in my opinion.
It’s not purposely offending anyone. The offending isn’t the goal.
Why should a satiric cartoon of Muhammed be excluded because it’s offensive while there are a shit load of other cartoons someone somewhere may find offensive that are no problem at all. Don’t see massive protests and dead threats about them?
You're comparing Islam with Trumpism? And decided to call both nonesense?
And you feel as though this isn't a stupid post?
Not sure what this bizzare rant is about and how people stating that it's wise to stop offending people of a religion constitutes religious fanatism.
You've managed to talk about "Christian oppression" somewhere in there are well.
And that's a problem when you are talking about an audience that doesn't have all the tools necessary. Emotions are not a good thing in that context, knowledge is, emotions can't be the foundation of your reflection because your reflection is then highly biased from the start. So again start with knowledge, start with facts and clear understanding of the topic then you can add things like cartoons which is why I said that they are not appropriate for all audiences, some steps needs to be reached first otherwise we end up with the current mess that is our society. In fact I know that you know it, you have been vocal about the stupidty of some americans when it comes gun control, I'm sure that you realize that these people's mind where built through emotional lobbying by feeding them with incomplete informations that tickled their emotions more than feed them with true knowledge.
Isn’t this the whole problem? For some reason ridiculous opinions aren’t a problem as long as they are grounded in religion.
I’m pretty sure people in here would find it absolutely insane as a political movement would want to ban cartoons to be shown. But somehow the feelings and opinions of religious people are more important and have higher value to some.
But why should religion have a special place in society? Why can’t they be equally ridiculed as political views are.
That's offensive to a lot of people. And people of any religion would find certain statements offensive. The question is why people like you think it's okay to openly antagonize people of specific religions and offend them.
Well, you shouldn't give out Mein Kampf because pupils will think it's a fecking punishment: it's a terribly written, meandering, unfocused book with a lot of feverish ideas haphazardly thrown together. Its quality is almost, thought not quite, as offensive as the ideas within.
You are willingly cooperating with censorship and thereby oppressing people’s individual freedom. You don’t think Christianity did this in Europe through the ages?
Didn't stop Harry Potter.
Wait, that was two different people?
No I just have split personality disorder.
Did you read the post? This has nothing to do with whether religion and politics have to be treated similarly.
Do you think Islam (as a religion) should be regarded as similar as Trumpism?
All mate. All of them.
That aside, if you find someone calling a religion nonsense antagonizing, then you are too far gone.
Extend that logic then and apply it to hate speech. Are we "oppressing people's freedom" when we censor offensive statements?
You're trying to use an ad-lapidum becuase you have nothing of substance to say. And you've failed at doing even that.
Telling a follower of any religion that his religion is nonsense is offensive. The fact that you can't assimilate that bespeaks some ignorance.
In some ways they are quite similar in others they are worlds apart. Both you should be able to criticize.
It could be because what people find offensive is very subjective. And sometimes people find truth very offensive.
Back to the big fancy words class you go.
Acting like folk here have to provide coherent, structured and referenced thoughts and opinions. It's a football forum.
You're free to list the overwhelming parallels because a lot of people find the comparison insulting.
You are free to criticize religions and nobody is stopping you from doing so. It still isn't sensible to openly antagonize and offend people.
There are certain boundaries yes but I don’t think painting a picture of someone should be one of those boundaries.
And that's true, in some cases.