No.1 for next season - De Gea or Henderson?

[RkkMan]

His wages are obscene but

Academy players come and go all the time. DDG is being paid obscene wages but henderson isn't paid peanuts either.

Some people always harp on about DDGs wages and use it to justify his exit. The fact he was our best player for a full season or 2 or 3 seems to go amiss. If any of our players from yesteryear be it keane, Rio, Beckham etc were to be as individually brilliant as de ge has been, they would also take such obscene wages.

You can't deny the wages are a a problem though. Rooney did FAR more for us than DDG but when his form coupled with his wages became a problem it was generally accepted by Utd fans he needed to go and frankly I don't understand why people find it harder to have the same stance with De Gea who's been waaaaay below standards since the World Cup and now turning 31 same age Casillas a very similar GK to him started waning.
Yes Academy Players come and go but don't you think Utd a club known to give young promising players a chance would look incredibly foolish to let go of a potentially top class 24yr old GK for a 31yr old GK who's been waning for 3 years? Unless Henderson spectacularly flops elsewhere and De Gea has a Buffon Esque meteoric renaissance here it will be a comically indefensible decision to let go of Henderson to keep De Gea high wages or not. We found buyers for Alexis and Rooney if Utd were serious they'd try and seriously find a buyer for De Gea this summer

 

[Mike Phelan's Former Tash]

Been great for us De Gea but it's time to change now I feel.

Let's find out if Henderson is good enough, if not replace him next summer.

 

[predator]

You can't deny the wages are a a problem though. Rooney did FAR more for us than DDG but when his form coupled with his wages became a problem it was generally accepted by Utd fans he needed to go and frankly I don't understand why people find it harder to have the same stance with De Gea who's been waaaaay below standards since the World Cup and now turning 31 same age Casillas a very similar GK to him started waning.
Yes Academy Players come and go but don't you think Utd a club known to give young promising players a chance would look incredibly foolish to let go of a potentially top class 24yr old GK for a 31yr old GK who's been waning for 3 years? Unless Henderson spectacularly flops elsewhere and De Gea has a Buffon Esque meteoric renaissance here it will be a comically indefensible decision to let go of Henderson to keep De Gea high wages or not. We found buyers for Alexis and Rooney if Utd were serious they'd try and seriously find a buyer for De Gea this summer

Good post but we don't know for certain how it will pan out. I personally think de gea will prove he is more reliable, a better shot stopper and a better all round keeper.

31 years of age as a keeper is great.

Basically I think de gea is going to show his worth in the next coming 3 months and hendo will gain so much. The way some posters go on would make you think he has become a meth addict whilst hendo become a cumbrian Oliver Kahn.

 

[snk123]

I genuinely believe that none should be the future long term United gk.

Also, IMO Romero (based on the 2019-2020 form) is better overall option than Henderson.

This. Really shocking the way we treated him for no apparent reason.

 

[DoomSlayer]

De gea has been with us for a decade and is arguably the best keeper in the world on his day and for alot of people is much more reliable than henderson.

I'm sorry, but this is one of the most delusional takes due to wearing the red-tinted specs.

Can you provide arguments and some real evidence to support any of your ridiculous claims?

 

[predator]

I'm sorry, but this is one of the most delusional takes due to wearing the red-tinted specs.

Can you provide arguments and some real evidence to support any of your ridiculous claims?

It will be tricky to get some 'real evidence' at this current moment in time due to the international break but when fans are allowed back in I promise I will provide you with a ticket to OT (free of charge) to witness how loved de gea is and also how seasoned a goalkeeper he is.

 

[DoomSlayer]

It will be tricky to get some 'real evidence' at this current moment in time due to the international break but when fans are allowed back in I promise I will provide you with a ticket to OT (free of charge) to witness how loved de gea is and also how seasoned a goalkeeper he is.

What are you on about?

 

[predator]

What are you on about?

You asked me for 'arguments' and 'real evidence' as to why I think de gea is a) the best keeper in the world on his day and b) that alot of people believe he is more reliable than hendo.


So I am answering your question by providing you with a free ticket to a game when the fans are back so you can see how good de gea is and also hear how many people support him and prefer him to henderson.



I hope that clears things up.

 

[lysglimt]

Easy choice - DDG. He simply has a much higher potential - Henderson seems a bit limited!

 

[Denis79]

Not been impressed by Hendo so far, not enough to feel he deserves the nr 1 spot.

 

[vanrooney]

i think henderson has the potential to be our number 1. it would be a bit of a gamble but i would take it. de gea was class for us and i really like him, but he was error prone in the last years.

 

[DoomSlayer]

You asked me for 'arguments' and 'real evidence' as to why I think de gea is a) the best keeper in the world on his day and b) that alot of people believe he is more reliable than hendo.


So I am answering your question by providing you with a free ticket to a game when the fans are back so you can see how good de gea is and also hear how many people support him and prefer him to henderson.



I hope that clears things up.

It clears nothing and your answer is just childish. I'm not asking about your emotional investment, I'm asking about real factual evidence to prove your claims that De Gea is the best in the world on his day and that he is more reliable than Henderson.

Nobody is disputing that De Gea is a legend of the club (at least I'm not and I voted in that thread in his favour, even though it seemed more than 50% think he isn't a legend) and nobody is saying Henderson has done more for our club, it would be just obviously untrue.

 

[predator]

It clears nothing and your answer is just childish. I'm not asking about your emotional investment, I'm asking about real factual evidence to prove your claims that De Gea is the best in the world on his day and that he is more reliable than Henderson.

Nobody is disputing that De Gea is a legend of the club (at least I'm not and I voted in that thread in his favour, even though it seemed more than 50% think he isn't a legend) and nobody is saying Henderson has done more for our club, it would be just obviously untrue.

I said that alot of people think and myself for that matter that de gea is more reliable than henderson and that I think he is the best in the world on his day.

Can you provide "real factual evidence" as to why he isn't what I think he is?

I'm struggling to understand what you expect me to do. I've offered you a free ticket to a game and you're still not happy.


Please enlighten me, doomslayer.

 

[Stevondo8]

I said that alot of people think and myself for that matter that de gea is more reliable than henderson and that I think he is the best in the world on his day.

Can you provide "real factual evidence" as to why he isn't what I think he is?

I'm struggling to understand what you expect me to do. I've offered you a free ticket to a game and you're still not happy.


Please enlighten me, doomslayer.

His repeated error leading to goals over the last few years show he isn’t the best in the world anymore. Ok, on his day he’s still capable of great saves and performances, but those days are more rare than they once were and he’s just not as reliable as he use to be and therefore can’t be considered one of the best in the world currently. I reckon that match you take doomslayer to, you’re more likely to see an error costing a goal than a world class performance.

I’d argue he’s only a mid-ranked premier league keeper these days.

 

[predator]

His repeated error leading to goals over the last few years show he isn’t the best in the world anymore. Ok, on his day he’s still capable of great saves and performances, but those days are more rare than they once were and he’s just not as reliable as he use to be and therefore can’t be considered one of the best in the world currently. I reckon that match you take doomslayer to, you’re more likely to see an error costing a goal than a world class performance.

I’d argue he’s only a mid-ranked premier league keeper these days.

Hold on a min...He can make his own way to the ground.

Let's see how things pan out regarding de gea and henderson.

 

[shaky]

Whatever way we try and twist things it'll paint a VERY bad picture on us for a long long time if an academy player leaves and thrives elsewhere while we persist with a 30+yr old GK on 375k a week who's declining more and more with each passing year.

Complete nonsense. Whether we decide on keeping De Gea as No 1 over Henderson or not, it paints no such picture. The priority is to be playing our best goalkeeper next season, nothing else. De Gea may have passed his peak, but he might also still be better than Henderson. His wages shouldn't sway the decision and he isn't even old for a goalkeeper. As to him declining more with each passing year? I've seen nothing this year to back up that statement either. His worst season with us was a couple of years ago. Maybe De Gea has more errors in his game than Henderson these days, but I'd still trust him to make a world class save quicker than I would with Henderson.

 

[DoomSlayer]

I said that alot of people think and myself for that matter that de gea is more reliable than henderson and that I think he is the best in the world on his day.

Can you provide "real factual evidence" as to why he isn't what I think he is?

I'm struggling to understand what you expect me to do. I've offered you a free ticket to a game and you're still not happy.


Please enlighten me, doomslayer.

So you have nothing real to show for your claims? Good to know.

De Gea has been arguably one of the 5 worst regular GKs so far this season. This can easily be proven by checking advanced stats such as these and making the appropriate comparisons. You can even check last season and see that Henderson was better in almost every area, expect for passing.

The reality is that since the 2018 World Cup summer, De Gea has been declining further and further with each passing season. Henderson has shown much better performances in the last 2 years and deserves a chance to be our number 1, whilst DDG probably needs a new challenge and new environment, if he is to prolong his career and change his GK style.

 

[predator]

So you have nothing real to show for your claims? Good to know.

De Gea has been arguably one of the 5 worst regular GKs so far this season. This can easily be proven by checking advanced stats such as these and making the appropriate comparisons. You can even check last season and see that Henderson was better in almost every area, expect for passing.

The reality is that since the 2018 World Cup summer, De Gea has been declining further and further with each passing season. Henderson has shown much better performances in the last 2 years and deserves a chance to be our number 1, whilst DDG probably needs a new challenge and new environment, if he is to prolong his career and change his GK style.

Cool story bro. The ticket is still on offer.

 

[DoomSlayer]

Cool story bro. The ticket is still on offer.

Keep on showing how you have nothing meaningful to say. Your fanboyism is adorable though, no doubt, you're like a little kid defending his favourite superhero.

 

[DoomSlayer]

but I'd still trust him to make a world class save quicker than I would with Henderson.

Are you basing that on a hunch, a 7th sense (maybe you are like Spiderman with his Spidey-sense), do the stars tell you or did the gods give you a sign?

 

[predator]

Keep on showing how you have nothing meaningful to say. Your fanboyism is adorable though, no doubt, you're like a little kid defending his favourite superhero.

I've never known someone be so rude when offered a free ticket to a united game. I'm trying to help you out here lad. You will love it!

 

[DoomSlayer]

I've never known someone be so rude when offered a free ticket to a united game. I'm trying to help you out here lad. You will love it!

And I've honestly never seen anyone deflect so much and try to not address the topic at hand. The discussion had nothing to do with your dubious offers for free tickets, so please refrain yourself from further derailing the thread and stop replying, unless you have something to say about De Gea and Henderson.

 

[predator]

And I've honestly never seen anyone deflect so much and try to not address the topic at hand. The discussion had nothing to do with your dubious offers for free tickets, so please refrain yourself from further derailing the thread and stop replying, unless you have something to say about De Gea and Henderson.

I think de gea is a better goalkeeper than henderson, as it stands.

 

[lsd]

Should be an option for someone else. I don't think Henderson is good enough and De Gea is clearly better but I worry how long he has left

 

[DoomSlayer]

I think de gea is a better goalkeeper than henderson, as it stands.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are still objectively wrong, until you provide some proper evidence that backs your stance.

You also said De Gea was the best in the world, so I see huge backtracking here, which is progress.

 

[bsCallout]

A lot of people desperately quick to write off Henderson, especially when then ironically backing DDG who had an awful start here.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Wages are obviously a big factor otherwise we'd still have Alexis Sanchez here. We cannot have De Gea on the bench for most of the games and he has shown a lot of signs of decline recently. Granted i think this season he has been a bit better than the last two but i think he is no longer elite. Henderson is also not elite but he is younger, cheaper and has certain qualities de gea doesn't especially coming out and dealing with crosses. He will probably never be as good a shot stopper as de gea but de gea was all time special at that. In my ideal world, we manage to sell De gea and start henderson with romero as backup next year. More likely though we have a repeat of this season with Ole possibly switching de gea to be our cup keeper and henderson our league keeper.

 

[predator]

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are still objectively wrong, until you provide some proper evidence that backs your stance.

You also said De Gea was the best in the world, so I see huge backtracking here, which is progress.

How am I wrong? On what merit is henderson a better goalkeeper than de gea?

Is this real life or is this just fantasy?

 

[manuchamp88]

This. Really shocking the way we treated him for no apparent reason.

The reasons could have been image (looks bad to investors to sell a global name like De Gea as well as a young talent like Henderson), and the potential longevity which Henderson could bring and so saving money on investing on another goalkeeper ( and, as time passes, his sale would also accrue more profit if necessary).

But I agree, there was no need to treat him the way we have done. I really dislike this about the club actually. Completely mismanage and maltreat good and well-respected servants like Romero and before him, Schweinsteiger, and way before him, Keane, while, for example, letting a bum like Fellaini walk all over us in the press while he was still at the club. And to be fair, Pogba has pushed it at times but again, the club said/did nothing.

 

[manunited1919]

Neither, get Donnarumma or Oblak in.

De Gea should be sold. I'd keep Henderson as no.2 if he's happy.

This.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Keep DDG as no1. New short term contract for Romero as no2. Sell Henderson for good money.

 

[bsCallout]

Keep DDG as no1. New short term contract for Romero as no2. Sell Henderson for good money.

You really want DDG to be our no.1 next season?

 

[bsCallout]

The reasons could have been image (looks bad to investors to sell a global name like De Gea as well as a young talent like Henderson), and the potential longevity which Henderson could bring and so saving money on investing on another goalkeeper ( and, as time passes, his sale would also accrue more profit if necessary).

But I agree, there was no need to treat him the way we have done. I really dislike this about the club actually. Completely mismanage and maltreat good and well-respected servants like Romero and before him, Schweinsteiger, and way before him, Keane, while, for example, letting a bum like Fellaini walk all over us in the press while he was still at the club. And to be fair, Pogba has pushed it at times but again, the club said/did nothing.

What did the club do wrong and what should they have done better?

I'm pretty sure there would have been discussions that Henderson was coming back and Romero can find himself a new club, not really sure what is wrong with that?

 

[Giggs' right foot]

Keep DDG as no1. New short term contract for Romero as no2. Sell Henderson for good money.

Romero? The lad we denied leaving last summer - basically, ripping a year out of his career to then not use him for one second? Yeah, I think he goes on a free this summer.

 

[Andycoleno9]

You really want DDG to be our no.1 next season?

He is our best gk and still among the best in PL. Plus i keep repeating that he is "only" 30. For gk he is in best age. And i don't understand (i respect other opinion though) why he is so underrated now among our fans.
We treated Romero badly but we can apologize for it by giving him new contract to be our no2.

Henderson is nowhere near De Gea and never will be. With 24y he doesn't show anything which tells me that he is or will be top gk (which Man Utd gk must be). We should just sell him and IF DDG is really passed it, sell him too and spend that money on Oblak.

 

[manuchamp88]

What did the club do wrong and what should they have done better?

I'm pretty sure there would have been discussions that Henderson was coming back and Romero can find himself a new club, not really sure what is wrong with that?

It was clear last summer that Henderson would be welcomed back for the purpose of fighting for the no.1 jersey. Though to be more precise, it had been reported that Hendo actually said he was coming back to *be* no.1, above De Gea. Furthermore, Henderson signed a 6-year deal in August. So, Romero naturally didn't want to be 3rd choice, effectively not playing in his last few years of his career. He had a chance to go to Villa but was denied because United were unwilling to compromise on the price for an ageing keeper who has always given his best for the club. And even on the last day, was cruelly denied a loan move to Everton. Since last season, he has not played 1 minute and purportedly trains alone. To me, this strikes me as disrespectful and very unfair.

 

[DoomSlayer]

How am I wrong? On what merit is henderson a better goalkeeper than de gea?

Is this real life or is this just fantasy?

I'm not engaging with you, unless you drop your disingenuous rhetoric and start addressing what is actually being said. I'm not obliged to hold your hand, if you genuinely don't understand and you don't know how else to debate, you probably shouldn't be making such bold claims in the first place and you should keep your posts limited to "I love David De Goat so much, hugs, you want some free tickets?"

 

[sullydnl]

Worth noting in regards to whether we want a keeper who is neither De Gea nor Henderson, I think.

Over the last few years one of the criticisms of De Gea has been that he isn't a "modern" keeper in terms of sweeping or distribution. If that's the type of goalkeeper you want then Henderson isn't the answer either. He is better than De Gea in certain regards (most obviously in claiming open play crosses, I think) but he is still fundamentally a shot-stopper.

 

[bsCallout]

It was clear last summer that Henderson would be welcomed back for the purpose of fighting for the no.1 jersey. Though to be more precise, it had been reported that Hendo actually said he was coming back to *be* no.1, above De Gea. Furthermore, Henderson signed a 6-year deal in August. So, Romero naturally didn't want to be 3rd choice, effectively not playing in his last few years of his career. He had a chance to go to Villa but was denied because United were unwilling to compromise on the price for an ageing keeper who has always given his best for the club. And even on the last day, was cruelly denied a loan move to Everton. Since last season, he has not played 1 minute and purportedly trains alone. To me, this strikes me as disrespectful and very unfair.

You're right. Seems like it on the surface. Of course we don't know the discussions behind closed doors, that loan might have involved us paying all his wages for example.

 

[JB7]

His wages are obscene but

Academy players come and go all the time. DDG is being paid obscene wages but henderson isn't paid peanuts either.

Some people always harp on about DDGs wages and use it to justify his exit. The fact he was our best player for a full season or 2 or 3 seems to go amiss. If any of our players from yesteryear be it keane, Rio, Beckham etc were to be as individually brilliant as de ge has been, they would also take such obscene wages.

You seem to miss your own point here, which is that as soon as SAF felt two of those three players you mentioned were not justifying their salaries, he got rid of them.