De Gea of course
No.1 for next season - De Gea or Henderson?
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The thing is even if Henderson somehow failed and became not good enough - his performances have shown how much a 'well rounded goalkeeper' helps both our defenders defend better alongside assisting our attackers.
The thing is - this wasn't just seen during Henderson's matches over De Gea this season - this was also seen when Romero was playing instead of De Gea last season.
There were rumours that the defenders preferred playing in front of Romero rather than De Gea last season and I wouldn't be surprised if they felt the same about Henderson.
I personally think Henderson and Romero are good enough to compete for our 2 GK spots. Henderson however is a 'traditional goalkeeper' that will make mistakes because he is young and needs to improve with age and experience (something I saw with most goalkeepers except De Gea who regressed with age).
I'd personally sell De Gea if I could but it sounds easier said than done.
Afterwards, if Henderson is not good enough long term - I would look to buy another well rounded goalkeeper. I dont think we would miss De Gea even then.
The thing is - this wasn't just seen during Henderson's matches over De Gea this season - this was also seen when Romero was playing instead of De Gea last season.
There were rumours that the defenders preferred playing in front of Romero rather than De Gea last season and I wouldn't be surprised if they felt the same about Henderson.
I personally think Henderson and Romero are good enough to compete for our 2 GK spots. Henderson however is a 'traditional goalkeeper' that will make mistakes because he is young and needs to improve with age and experience (something I saw with most goalkeepers except De Gea who regressed with age).
I'd personally sell De Gea if I could but it sounds easier said than done.
Afterwards, if Henderson is not good enough long term - I would look to buy another well rounded goalkeeper. I dont think we would miss De Gea even then.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if De Gea takes this situation out of our hands and asks to move in the Summer anyway. It seems Edurne still lives in Spain, and now they have a child it would come as no surprise if Dave wanted to live with them full time.
Pure speculation by me, of course, but I didn't realise Edurne wasn't living in Manchester until she gave birth.
Pure speculation by me, of course, but I didn't realise Edurne wasn't living in Manchester until she gave birth.
Heart says DDG, head right now says Henderson due to the solidity he provides the back four (& especially if Dean continues with his current form).
I’d go Henderson. One definitely leaves in the summer and I think de gea probably commands the bigger fee and gets his wages of the books. As others have pointed out, I also think the defence seems more confident with Henderson behind them.
Either way though, I can’t see both remaining at the club next season, and with Romero probably off too, the bigger question is almost who should be our number 2 next season?
Either way though, I can’t see both remaining at the club next season, and with Romero probably off too, the bigger question is almost who should be our number 2 next season?
I'd currently be leaning towards keeping Henderson. I'm still not sure though. A lot depends on their performances until the end of the season, who we'd benefit from ditching more financially and whether we think we think that ultimately neither are going to be good enough in the long run.
it’s one of those “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” type situations. I’d we go with De Gea, he’ll make a few mistakes & the fans will say “Henderson would’ve saved that” and likewise If we go with Henderson. I think de Gea is clearly the better shot stopper, while Henderson is better coming off his line & seems to be the more “modern” goalkeeper. Given that we seem to be obsessed with playing out from the back, Henderson is probably the better choice. One thing I will say though is both do have mistakes in them, and the first mistake they make next season is going to be highlighted heavily by the media “would De Gea/Henderson have made that mistake” so whoever we go with needs to be strong mentally.
I think he'll move back to Spain. He has a family now and that comes first. Good luck to him. He's been a great servant.
Hendos seemingly superior command of set pieces play is making it more and more tempting to opt for him as the new starter, but De Gea is hard to drop when he's not making mistakes.
De Ge has a contract until June 2023. He can't just "go".
Can push for a move though. Especially if he thinks Henderson will takeover as number 1. World Cup coming up so imagine he’d want to be playing wherever he is (same with Henderson, so one has to leave, even if it’s just Henderson on loan again somewhere).
I genuinely believe that none should be the future long term United gk.
Also, IMO Romero (based on the 2019-2020 form) is better overall option than Henderson.
Also, IMO Romero (based on the 2019-2020 form) is better overall option than Henderson.
Really? He's been good at claiming crosses in open play but to my mind he has looked vulnerable on set-pieces. Most recently in the Leicester game, where he put himself in no man's land for their third goal. His stats on corners have been far from special too, even last season.
I definitely wouldn't point to set-pieces as the area he's obviously improved us.
How about we sell both DDG and Henderson and get Donnaruma who is out of contract in the summer?
If we sign him, do we have to get his brother too? That’s what happened at Milan right? (Or is that just a random rumour I read once and took as gospel?)
He’s also the highest paid ‘keeper in the world (and possibly the highest paid player in the league). Unless we let De Gea go on a free — which would be silly — Henderson is far more likely to leave of the two, honestly.
Right so you mean the Carling Cup and EL dross he played in . Fair
When has that ever actually stopped anyone else. If a player wants to go they usually go.
Henderson is increasingly looking like a Pickford clone to me.
he may well claim the no 1 spot from DDG but I doubt it would be for long.
i fear Henderson may be the start of a revolving door of keepers, similar to what we had post Schmeichal.
he’s done well to show he can do things DDG can’t, but I don’t see his all round game as being that of a top keeper.
De Gea will walk away from £375,000 pr week for 2 years because he's a daddy? That is some next level romantic optimism.
On that note: A contract goes both ways. If David says "Im going", unless the club can get: A) Value back B) De Gea opts to cancel his own contract with a valid reason. - "I want to go" is not valid, its just a desire. There is nothing about this that is realistic.
If Romero was so good why is he only generating interest from Argentina and not Europe?
If we put Henderson on the market he'd attract a lot of good teams within Europe
Let's wait and see what happens in the summer but in my opinion we'll be making a HUGE HUGE mistake keeping De Gea over Henderson. It'll be just as bad as Jose letting go of KDB/Salah while we have an over the hill GK on high wages costing us more goals week in week out
You do know sometimes in life something's are more important than money don't you?
You're right.
De Gea is a better shot stopper than Henderson, however, I am fully convinced that we will concede less goals with Henderson in goal...
Can we stop with the false claims that De Gea is a better shot-stopper?
You guys keep on saying these lies with no real evidence to support your claims. Statistically, DDG has been in the 3 worst GK in the league when it comes to shot-stopping and is around the 70th place in the top 5 European leagues.
I haven't seen any evidence to support the ridiculous claims of some posters, no data, stats, no video footage, nothing.
You guys keep on saying these lies with no real evidence to support your claims. Statistically, DDG has been in the 3 worst GK in the league when it comes to shot-stopping and is around the 70th place in the top 5 European leagues.
I haven't seen any evidence to support the ridiculous claims of some posters, no data, stats, no video footage, nothing.
The days of De Gea being a great shot stopper are dead. Henderson might never reach De Gea's peak in terms of that particular quality, but his overall game is better. Henderson will need bedding in and there will be feck ups, just like when De Gea became our number one.
I don’t know if it’ll be ‘keeping De Gea over Henderson’ more than it would be failing to get De Gea out due to his massive wage and Henderson’s willingness to leave if he isn’t first choice and plenty of options for him to go elsewhere.
Is it just me that would love to see de gea stay here for as long as possible? Seeing him transform from that 21 year old arrogant, nervous, homesick spanish guy into a quasi manc god / goalkeeper has been the last remnant of fergies legacy.
He makes mistakes like every gk but he's spent more time in manchester than most of our fans and was also our best player for a number of seasons.
Have a bit of respect for a club legend.
He makes mistakes like every gk but he's spent more time in manchester than most of our fans and was also our best player for a number of seasons.
Have a bit of respect for a club legend.
Having a child is one of the times where the money is even more important, tbf.
Still, it’s also just the logistics of his profession. He really can’t just randomly decide ‘yeah, I’m heading back to Spain’ at the age of 30 if Atletico, Barcelona, or Madrid are not interested.
Well I mean obviously he could, but he’d be pretty silly to give up another 2 years of being paid the highest any goalkeeper in the world at a giant side like us to go play for some irrelevant Spanish side.
Yes, but that is something you say when you're giving up a weekends worth of overtime to spend time with your family, not when you're earning £375,000 a week.
De Gea is a new dad, he'll have ample time to spend time with his kid. We have other players in Manchester United that are parents. Like them, De Gea will handle that just fine.
There's at least 11 more games to go until the end of the season (13 if we go past Granada) so I think Ole and his staff should decide after that.
Why do some posters think that DDG will go back to Spain. Real, Atletico and Barca have better keepers and in lower wages.
Whatever way we try and twist things it'll paint a VERY bad picture on us for a long long time if an academy player leaves and thrives elsewhere while we persist with a 30+yr old GK on 375k a week who's declining more and more with each passing year.
Everton wanted him a few months ago, Man United blocked the move. There's plenty of clubs in Europe who would want Romero.
It's this sort of over romanticising things I hate, it's Liverpool of 90s thinking. He's on the decline, but because he's been here for ages and was great once its ok? Bloody baffling.
His wages are obscene but
Some people always harp on about DDGs wages and use it to justify his exit. The fact he was our best player for a full season or 2 or 3 seems to go amiss. If any of our players from yesteryear be it keane, Rio, Beckham etc were to be as individually brilliant as de ge has been, they would also take such obscene wages.
Academy players come and go all the time. DDG is being paid obscene wages but henderson isn't paid peanuts either.
Some people always harp on about DDGs wages and use it to justify his exit. The fact he was our best player for a full season or 2 or 3 seems to go amiss. If any of our players from yesteryear be it keane, Rio, Beckham etc were to be as individually brilliant as de ge has been, they would also take such obscene wages.
On the decline? I guess henderson is on the decline as well for that milan blunder?
De gea has been with us for a decade and is arguably the best keeper in the world on his day and for alot of people is much more reliable than henderson.
Modern football fans are fascinating. Lets just buy neymar and mbappe and win the world cup.
Why would a blunder by Henderson mean he's on the decline? Nonsensical comparison. Henderson much like a young De Gea, is far from perfect.
I think the people arguing that "on his day" he's the best keeper in the world would be a much smaller group than it used to be, because his performances don't justify that tag anymore. You seem to be living in the past when it comes to what he offers us now. He can make great saves, brilliant ones, but the overall package leaves a lot to be desired in 2021, because guess what the here and now matters more than his form of years ago, those days look to be gone.
Yes he's been with us ages, and at one point was the very best, but that doesn't really matter, or it shouldn't. But some fans use form of years ago to justify him keeping his position now, would that fly for a striker who used to score loads and doesn't anymore?
Don't really get the weird "modern football fans" comment, just seems like you're annoyed not everyone shares your opinion.
It is still early days. Henderson has looked good and I love that but I don't really get the logic behind writing de gea off.
I'm 26 years old so I'm no old timer but I feel an attachment to de gea because he has been with us through the highs and lows.
I'm not annoyed because ultimately nothing that is said on here influences the goalkeeping conundrum.
What is quite sad though is how ruthless and unforgiving the modern football fan is.
I'll always love de gea because of what he's done for our club over the past decade. If you don't understand that, what else can be said?
Then again feck de gea. We need to win trophies. That is the most important thing.
I appreciate De Gea's time at the club, but I also think we could improve in that department at this point. Henderson might not even be the answer, but I'd rather take a chance than keep on the path with De Gea. I've lost faith and trust in him, I know many people have. It sucks, but that's life.
I suppose I'm simply not as sentimental when it comes to this side as I used to be. I'd have given Anderson a contract for life for example, loved the bloke, barely offered anything towards the end. So I'm not a total robot.
I think overall us as a fanbase have been very forgiving and understanding of De Gea over the last few seasons due to how great he was, but there's only so many times you can watch him cost us goals through sheer incompetence that you have to just hold your hands up and be like yeah I can't watch much more of this. Clearly you can though and believe he's got another period of greatness in him? Maybe he does, but I don't think he suits the way we want to play as a team anymore.
I suppose I'm simply not as sentimental when it comes to this side as I used to be. I'd have given Anderson a contract for life for example, loved the bloke, barely offered anything towards the end. So I'm not a total robot.
I think overall us as a fanbase have been very forgiving and understanding of De Gea over the last few seasons due to how great he was, but there's only so many times you can watch him cost us goals through sheer incompetence that you have to just hold your hands up and be like yeah I can't watch much more of this. Clearly you can though and believe he's got another period of greatness in him? Maybe he does, but I don't think he suits the way we want to play as a team anymore.