Solskjaer's contract

[anant]

The biggest issue though is the idea that he's building something and needs time - often Klopp will be used as a metric for this particular notion. My problem is that it was far more evident exactly what Klopp wanted to do with Liverpool tactically, from his early days in the job.

Umm, sorry to call you out on that, but here are a few posts of yours before Klopp had won anything. Nothing personal and you aren't the only one who posted this, but just highlights that fans forget the awfully wrong opinions they've held

I, unlike some on here, don't think Klopp is some sort of messiah. I don't buy into his showmanship and quite frankly, I can't stand him. That's irrelevant though. This isn't Dortmund, nor is it the Bundesliga and he has a very difficult job on his hands. Judging by his arrogant nature when he took the job, I think it's fair to say that he somewhat underestimated this league.

Anyhow, I stand by what I said about Lallana, he's wank. He's what's wrong with English football when it comes to transfer fees: Englishman with better than average technique, lets spunk £25m on him. One goal and one assist in 30 games says it all.

He's already lost 12 games since coming in including two cup finals, but yeah he's been superb.

Klopp is a defensive coaching genius on the same level as Martinez.

As I said:

In any case, Klopp hasn't done a better job to-date.

I thought once Messi, I mean Mane, came back all would be swell.

Most overrated manager I've ever witnessed.

How the actual feck did people really think that this Liverpool team was capable of winning the league? They have Wijnaldum and Lallana in midfield ffs.

Rodgers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Klopp

Yeah it seems that way alright. Their record against the bigger sides is pretty good. It seems to be against the lesser sides that 'park the bus' when they really struggle.

This one after they conceded 11 in 4 games and were winless in those 4 in 2017

Delighted for the overrated prick.

Klopp: 131 points from his first 72 league games in charge of Liverpool - Rodgers: 138 from his first 72. Rodgers >>>> Klopp, for sure.

He seems to get a bit of a free ride, though. When people talk about pressure for the coming season it seems to always be Pep and Mourinho that people say the pressure is on.

Let's not forget that when Klopp came, the media in particular made him out to be some sort of messiah that would take Liverpool back to the top. It's all been pretty underwhelming so far.

I haven't seen any improvement personally.

Jesus he certainly abandoned his apparent sexy football didn't he. State of the stuff they play these days.

@Dumbstar KKAP - Keep Klopp At Pool.

He's done feck all so far and he hasn't improved on Rodgers whatsoever. He's really made the scousers buy into his waffle though and he has a free pass there for eternity, it seems. I want him to stay there because I don't think they're going anywhere under him but at the same time, I can't fecking stand the sight of him so would rather he pissed out of this league altogether.

Understatement of the century right there. When you consider the mental hype that surrounded him when he arrived, he's been an abject failure so far.

Believe me, I don't find Mourinho remotely entertaining these days, so you're barking up the wrong tree with that one. I don't feel he's the right fit for the club although things have slightly improved recently but our start to the season and his role in that, is for me , still completely unforgiveable. I'm also not a fan of managers creating a 'siege mentality' or a 'us against the world' atmosphere as I find it totally unnecessary. Maybe Livepool fans are blinded, but Klopp also comes across as massive prick a-lot of the time. I think you guys are so in the 'Klopp bubble' that you are all totally blinded to it.

As for the rest, in this day and age unfortunately it's all about silverware v money spent and right now, Klopp needs to start winning things. Again, Livepool fans are so immersed in the 'Klopp bubble' that all you guys can do is view him in this weird romantic notion, despite him being there 3 seasons and losing 3 finals. It's all very weird.

Exactly. If he wins nothing this season he's been there near 4 full seasons with feck all to show for it bar a CL Final / EL Final (lost both) and some good football.

Mourinho has a fairly sizeable win % difference than Klopp since both took over, but obviously Klopp has been there 8 or 9 months more. Yet Mourinho is seen by the media as a colossal failure (despite winning 2 trophies and reaching an FA Cup Final) while Klopp sits on this pedestal with the media. I know Mourinho brings a-lot on himself but I have no idea how Klopp has remained so immune to criticism. Given his outlay, if he finishes this season with no silverware, serious questions should be asked of him but they won't due to his **** following from Liverpool fans and the media.

Can't be bothered. Their squad is poor apart from their attackers. No chance in hell they'll challenge with 1 or two signings. City are flights ahead and a-few teams around them already have better squads that will also be strengthened over the summer. So yeah, nah.

Klopp: Started his job with Liverpool on 8th October 2015. Played: 171 Won:91 Drew: 47 Lost: 33. Win percentage 53.2% / made 3 cup finals losing all 3.

Mourinho: Started his job with United on 27th May 2016. Played: 136 Won: 82 Drew: 29 Lost: 25. Win percentage 60.3% / made 3 cup finals winning 2 and losing 1.

But yet, Klopp is the messiah while Mourinho is washed up. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Mourinho is the right fit for us, but he's been more successful than Klopp who is constantly lauded as some genius.

Ok I thought it was self-explanatory: He's doing a good enough job but nothing like the media and Liverpool fans make out. Hope I've cleared that up.

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QUOTE="Robbie Boy, post: 23347311, member: 52575"]
Yeah they've been massively underwhelming this season and I see them ending the season once again with feck all to show for it.
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And I just searched for your posts on one of the threads. A ton of posts apart from this, but they were around how he's a bell-end (which I sort of agree with) and all

And then there's also this thread: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/is-jurgen-klopp-the-german-brendan-rodgers.398545/

 

[Cast5]

Umm, sorry to call you out on that, but here are a few posts of yours before Klopp had won anything. Nothing personal and you aren't the only one who posted this, but just highlights that fans forget the awfully wrong opinions they've held

















This one after they conceded 11 in 4 games and were winless in those 4 in 2017

























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QUOTE="Robbie Boy, post: 23347311, member: 52575"]
Yeah they've been massively underwhelming this season and I see them ending the season once again with feck all to show for it.

Robbie Boy the RedCafe police being a hypocrite whilst criticising others? Surely not..

 

[Tom Cato]

They won 13 league games in a row, that's not insane. The record is 18.

That's the 7thor 8th (as far as I can recall) longest winning streak in Premier League history. The league has existed for 29 years.

You're misrepresenting something a bit though. Manchester City set a new English football record with 21 consecutive wins in all competitions. The previous record was set by Arsenal in 1987 and Preston North end in 1892. - Their form was by every imaginable metric, absolutely beyond insane.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Umm, sorry to call you out on that, but here are a few posts of yours before Klopp had won anything. Nothing personal and you aren't the only one who posted this, but just highlights that fans forget the awfully wrong opinions they've held

















This one after they conceded 11 in 4 games and were winless in those 4 in 2017

























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QUOTE="Robbie Boy, post: 23347311, member: 52575"]
Yeah they've been massively underwhelming this season and I see them ending the season once again with feck all to show for it.

But what's that to do with anything in all honesty? It's called tribalism mate. I can't stand the man and think he's an utter wanker, but of course he was bloody good. We all took the piss and wanted him to fail but deep down most expected him to suceed. You really haven't called me out on anything.

 

[anant]

But what's that to do with anything in all honesty? It's called tribalism mate. I can't stand the man and think he's an utter wanker, but of course he was bloody good. We all took the piss and wanted him to fail but deep down most expected him to suceed. You really haven't called me out on anything.

"I havent seen an improvement over BR"

" Klopp is a defensive coaching genius on the same level as Martinez. "

" Jesus he certainly abandoned his apparent sexy football didn't he. State of the stuff they play these days. "

Quite certain these are the criticisms thrown at Klopp here. And quite certain, these posts weren't around "Klopp's playing style, which everyone could see to be a success"

 

[Robbie Boy]

"I havent seen an improvement over BR"

" Klopp is a defensive coaching genius on the same level as Martinez. "

" Jesus he certainly abandoned his apparent sexy football didn't he. State of the stuff they play these days. "

Quite certain these are the criticisms thrown at Klopp here. And quite certain, these posts weren't around "Klopp's playing style, which everyone could see to be a success"

Well unfortunately a United fan with a deep hatred for Liverpool and Klopp wasn't the most rational person to make a rational opinion. A lot of it was obviously wummy wind ups on very irritating Liverpool fans who had flooded the forum. Unfortunately the cold hard stats back up he was improving them season-on-season. I'm also sure after two years in charge Liverpool fans would have offered a rather unanimous glowing reference - and would have been in a better position to do so.

Sheesh, there's an awful desperation to drag up old posts these days. It's like someone going back through their partners Social Media accounts before they got together

 

[Siorac]

in a competitive league, that is still insane

Is it though? The last four PL winners won it with 99, 98, 100, and 93 points, respectively. For a title winner these days, 13 wins in a row is no big deal.

 

[Siorac]

That's the 7thor 8th (as far as I can recall) longest winning streak in Premier League history. The league has existed for 29 years.

You're misrepresenting something a bit though. Manchester City set a new English football record with 21 consecutive wins in all competitions. The previous record was set by Arsenal in 1987 and Preston North end in 1892. - Their form was by every imaginable metric, absolutely beyond insane.

But their wins in other competitions are meaningless when we're talking about what they did to pull away from United in the league.

 

[Robbie Boy]

And @anant you realise you went through all that effort because of this passage in a very reasonable post I made about Ole, in which I praised him:

My problem is that it was far more evident exactly what Klopp wanted to do with Liverpool tactically, from his early days in the job. With Ole, it's nowhere near as evident.

I don't think what I said was particularly unreasonable or hyperbolic and looks quite true. While away from my Liverpool wumming, I did have doubts about Klopp - it was abundantly clear the philosophy and style of play he wanted to instill. The doubts where whether he could replicate what he done with Dortmund in the PL - and actually fully instill that philosophy and style of play with Liverpool and make it work.

You trying to 'call me out' over that one passage seems like you're trying to shout me down and create hostilities. Sorry but Bilbo was totally and utterly wrong to call out my perspective as 'guff' in a very rational and balanced post in which I offended no one. I've no idea why you came in so strong on me and it's very petty. I'm not an raging Ole-out, so perhaps go air your grievances with someone who has posted something disproportionate.

 

[Mainoldo]

Well unfortunately a United fan with a deep hatred for Liverpool and Klopp wasn't the most rational person to make a rational opinion. A lot of it was obviously wummy wind ups on very irritating Liverpool fans who had flooded the forum. Unfortunately the cold hard stats back up he was improving them season-on-season. I'm also sure after two years in charge Liverpool fans would have offered a rather unanimous glowing reference - and would have been in a better position to do so.

Sheesh, there's an awful desperation to drag up old posts these days. It's like someone going back through their partners Social Media accounts before they got together

Redcafe Smear campaign is at an all time high.

 

[Robbie Boy]

There's no need for debate anymore - just go and 'call anyone out' who disagrees with you by looking up old posts. Seems conducive to good discussion - I'm sold.

 

[anant]

And @anant you realise you went through all that effort because of this passage in a very reasonable post I made about Ole, in which I praised him:



I don't think what I said was particularly unreasonable or hyperbolic and looks quite true. While away from my Liverpool wumming, I did have doubts about Klopp - it was abundantly clear the philosophy and style of play he wanted to instill. The doubts where whether he could replicate what he done with Dortmund in the PL - and actually fully instill that philosophy and style of play with Liverpool and make it work.

You trying to 'call me out' over that one passage seems like you're trying to shout me down and create hostilities. Sorry but Bilbo was totally and utterly wrong to call out my perspective as 'guff' in a very rational and balanced post in which I offended no one. I've no idea why you came in so strong on me and it's very petty. I'm not an raging Ole-out, so perhaps go air your grievances with someone who has posted something disproportionate.

All I was pointing is no one, and I mean it, thought Klopp would be a massive success at Pool. Like I said in my post, nothing against you. Just pointing out that fans get it wrong around the "playing style" part wrong more often than not.

I don't care whether you're Ole-in or out. You certainly seem to be more on the fence rather than an extremist, and hence the reason for engaging with you, as I know I'm not talking against a brick wall

 

[Robbie Boy]

All I was pointing is no one, and I mean it, thought Klopp would be a massive success at Pool. Like I said in my post, nothing against you. Just pointing out that fans get it wrong around the "playing style" part wrong more often than not.

I don't care whether you're Ole-in or out. You certainly seem to be more on the fence rather than an extremist, and hence the reason for engaging with you, as I know I'm not talking against a brick wall

Grand. I personally find digging up posts like that is quite hostile. Much better to just engage in an actual debate. And yes I am on the fence.

 

[Robbie Boy]

And plus, digging up posts - while you may have meant it in good faith - will bring out silly comments by lower IQ posters who think you're doing it for ulterior reasons.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Robbie Boy the RedCafe police being a hypocrite whilst criticising others? Surely not..

It's great I get under your skin so much as I'm not a fan of your posting

 

[Cast5]

It's great I get under your skin so much as I'm not a fan of your posting

Its great that you think you get under my skin

 

[Robbie Boy]

Its great that you think you get under my skin

Ok

 

[Cast5]

Ok

 

[Robbie Boy]

Glad you wasted one of your 5 a day posts on that. You'll be promoted in no time.

 

[united_99]

If you can give it you should also be prepared to take it. No idea why people get so annoyed by their old posts. You wrote it once and back then you had your reasons, just like now you have your reasons if you write pro or anti Ole stuff. These old posts are merely pointing out that hindsight changes a lot of opinions on past stuff.

 

[Robbie Boy]

If you can give it you should also be prepared to take it. No idea why people get so annoyed by their old posts. You wrote it once and back then you had your reasons, just like now you have your reasons if you write pro or anti Ole stuff. These old posts are merely pointing out that hindsight changes a lot of opinions on past stuff.

Depends really. It's not about being able to 'give or take' it. You must have misunderstood @anant's rationale which he cleared up. Saying peope had doubts about Klopp is fine - but then the context behind baiting posts aimed at wumming Liverpool fans has a certain context to it. So merely quoting old posts can often be without context. Plus, it brings out the cretins hoping for a pile on.

 

[Tom Cato]

But their wins in other competitions are meaningless when we're talking about what they did to pull away from United in the league.

Yes, it's a winning streak that is only matched once every 3.5 ~ seasons on average. Still a rare occurence. The point was to provide context to just how incredible that run of form was.

 

[Cast5]

Glad you wasted one of your 5 a day posts on that. You'll be promoted in no time.

 

[rotherham_red]

Robbie Boy the RedCafe police being a hypocrite whilst criticising others? Surely not..

*Pretends to be shocked*

 

[DRJosh]

Are we all United fans here? It seems we disagree on more than we agree on as a fan base.

Let's focus on winning the next game.

 

[Norman Brownbutter]

@VP89 no need to make it personal with hostile words like 'guff'.

Are you gonna be ok, mate?

 

[Cast5]

*Pretends to be shocked*

 

[Bilbo]

@VP89 saved me a detailed reply with his post below.

Try being respectful mate - I didn't insult anyone, so no need to make it personal with hostile words like 'guff'. Believe it or not, people have different opinions to you, so just because 'you've fully backed Ole from day one' or whatever - it doesn't make your views any more valid than anyone else. If you were more flexible with your assessment of Ole, you might enjoy this place a-bit more.

Guff has to be the least hostile word I've ever heard. I wasn't intending to offend but we see so many people claiming that they were acutely following Liverpool's step-by-step process under Klopp (to shoot down Ole) and its a load of rubbish. Thanks to @anant for writing a response for me. For someone who could clearly see 'what Klopp was trying to do' your posting history seems extremely contrary to that. Its a great example of why I don't enjoy this place a bit more. Agenda based opinions

 

[Bilbo]

Here you go: https://www.skysports.com/football/...er-jurgen-klopp-into-premier-league-champions

This concept that all he did was buy a goalkeeper and a defender to take a giant leap is quite a load off "guff".

He had a high press style that was seen from pretty much the first game in charge and didn't change it for anything. It's a style that you would have heard of I'm sure known as Gegenpressing . That was what his philosophy was built upon and the whole squad knew it. He then got the pieces of the puzzle to best suit the philosophy he never compromised on and as the players were better he relied less on the pressing, because he can control games way easier. If you want statistics related to this:

Tifo Football measured Liverpool’s pressing numbers in the Premier League using passes per defensive action (PPDA), “the number of opposition passes allowed per proactive defensive act – where the lower the number, the more proactive the defence is in its pressing.”

The findings show the Reds were progressively lowering the intensity of their press as the seasons ticked by, 2016/17 (8.05), 2017/18 (9.45), 2018/19 (10.08) – although every season was higher than the league average each year.

But basically, Klopp was follower of a particular philosophy and style and he knew exactly what pieces he wanted to fit that puzzle.

Ole doesn't do the same, 2.5 years in. He will change from counter attack systems, to sometimes doing a 5 at the back, to going to a diamond and then a 4231 with two holding midfielders. No one really knows what his long term system or philosophy is.

It's attacking he says, it's width, he says. But it's also too vague. He says he likes pressing and our pressing isn't very good. He says he wants us to be one of the fittest and we show some lethargic games. So it's difficult to see what he's trying to build. Ole talks a lot about wanting full backs that are good going forward, but he bought Wan Bissaka for 50m and now we were looking at the likes of Trippier to bring in more guile in that position, so the mind boggles at times.

Look at Tuchel too if you want a recent comparison of how a manager comes in and implements his philosophy immediately. It's the same group under Lampard but they play a very possession focused style of football. It's pretty boring to watch in all honesty but they look a lot more ruthless and a completely different outfit to Lampard's more open style.

Point in bold is the only part worth responding to. You've merely echoed my own point. He knew what pieces were needed to complete his team, he got them, and they immediately improved. No VVD & Allison = no title & no champions league, regardless of how good a coach Klopp is. I believe we are currently in the same part of that process under Ole. He needs his own puzzle pieces to complete this team.

My point of issue was obviously around the resident experts on here frequently claiming to be acutely aware of the process as it happened, layer by layer. In other words, Klopp had a clear process, Ole doesn't. Its rubbish. Klopp used to be labelled a serial bottler too for losing 5 finals in a row.

 

[AgentSmith]

Point in bold is the only part worth responding to. You've merely echoed my own point. He knew what pieces were needed to complete his team, he got them, and they immediately improved. No VVD & Allison = no title & no champions league, regardless of how good a coach Klopp is. I believe we are currently in the same part of that process under Ole. He needs his own puzzle pieces to complete this team.

My point of issue was obviously around the resident experts on here frequently claiming to be acutely aware of the process as it happened, layer by layer. In other words, Klopp had a clear process, Ole doesn't. Its rubbish. Klopp used to be labelled a serial bottler too for losing 5 finals in a row.

Do you think our current is system is well defined enough that it’s two puzzle pieces away from being complete?

 

[VP89]

Point in bold is the only part worth responding to. You've merely echoed my own point. He knew what pieces were needed to complete his team, he got them, and they immediately improved. No VVD & Allison = no title & no champions league, regardless of how good a coach Klopp is. I believe we are currently in the same part of that process under Ole. He needs his own puzzle pieces to complete this team.

My point of issue was obviously around the resident experts on here frequently claiming to be acutely aware of the process as it happened, layer by layer. In other words, Klopp had a clear process, Ole doesn't. Its rubbish. Klopp used to be labelled a serial bottler too for losing 5 finals in a row.

You didn't read my post at all, that much is obvious. You cant blindly buy a bunch of talented players and then expect them to work out it. See how Lampard turned out for example.

You say "only part worth replying to" when it's very clear you couldn't actually digest the post so I'll make it simpler:

- Manager has a philosophy he sets out throughout the squad. He embeds this throughout the team.
- Manager then gets the right players to fit the philosophy he's after. The philosophy/coaching and the players to fit them are equally important to each other.

It is evident that 2.5 years in we are unaware of what our philosophy or style of play is. So for you to say "oh he's just missing pieces of the puzzle like Klopp" is unbelievably flawed. Unlike Ole, Klopp had a system, a manner in which he wanted his prime Liverpool side to play and he didn't compromise it for anything. It was drilled into the squad so that when the final pieces came, it was as seamless as possible. Ole does not do this - he has changed between 3 different formations throughout the course of this season and has many games which go against the ethos he verbally speaks of promoting (such as intense pressing or demonstrating fitness).

Your logic is bizarre, you're basically saying "I'll ignore everything about tactics and coaching, note that manager A bought players so manager B also needs to buy players, and call it a day". I mean even if we bought that tripe, Klopp bought VVD whilst Ole paid double Maguire's worth. Klopp had brought in Salah whilst Ole spent more on VDB+James combined. It's not proving to be an efficient allocation of resources, is it? So even if we were to debate that it's just a matter of transfers, you have to get the transfers right on top.

 

[sparx99]

For those who are saying if we get top four (which we probably will, barring something catastrophic happening) then he absolutely deserves it, when will this no longer be enough? When will "well, he got top four so he deserves another chance" no longer cut it for you, as a fan. Not talking about the owners, etc.

Next season? Just interested when it's no longer good enough to merely finish in the top four.

This would be our first consecutive top 4 finish since Sir Alex. I think that does earn Ole an extra year but no more than that.

One of our biggest problems isn’t he post Fergie era has been our inability to kick on from a top 4 finish by following it up with a 5-6-7th pace finish. All the good work gets undone and you end up having to target other players cos your first targets wants CL football.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Guff has to be the least hostile word I've ever heard. I wasn't intending to offend but we see so many people claiming that they were acutely following Liverpool's step-by-step process under Klopp (to shoot down Ole) and its a load of rubbish. Thanks to @anant for writing a response for me. For someone who could clearly see 'what Klopp was trying to do' your posting history seems extremely contrary to that. Its a great example of why I don't enjoy this place a bit more. Agenda based opinions

Agenda based indeed...

 

[Bilbo]

You didn't read my post at all, that much is obvious. You cant blindly buy a bunch of talented players and then expect them to work out it. See how Lampard turned out for example.

You say "only part worth replying to" when it's very clear you couldn't actually digest the post so I'll make it simpler:

- Manager has a philosophy he sets out throughout the squad. He embeds this throughout the team.
- Manager then gets the right players to fit the philosophy he's after. The philosophy/coaching and the players to fit them are equally important to each other.

It is evident that 2.5 years in we are unaware of what our philosophy or style of play is. So for you to say "oh he's just missing pieces of the puzzle like Klopp" is unbelievably flawed. Unlike Ole, Klopp had a system, a manner in which he wanted his prime Liverpool side to play and he didn't compromise it for anything. It was drilled into the squad so that when the final pieces came, it was as seamless as possible. Ole does not do this - he has changed between 3 different formations throughout the course of this season and has many games which go against the ethos he verbally speaks of promoting (such as intense pressing or demonstrating fitness).

It was the only part worth responding to, but thanks a bunch for simplifying it for me anyway. The fundamental issue here is that people still seem to think that Ole sends out 11 of his mates and tells them to enjoy themselves. I'm obviously aware that there is a little bit more to top level football than buy good players -> win. There have been numerous articles posted on here by writers that understand tactics far better than I do regarding how Ole is building the layers within this team, and even my untrained eye had spotted some of these. Mind you, Ole's philosophy doesn't have a fancy name so its probably not worth considering.

 

[Robbie Boy]

*Pretends to be shocked*

Oh yay look who it is.

 

[VP89]

Guff has to be the least hostile word I've ever heard. I wasn't intending to offend but we see so many people claiming that they were acutely following Liverpool's step-by-step process under Klopp (to shoot down Ole) and its a load of rubbish. Thanks to @anant for writing a response for me. For someone who could clearly see 'what Klopp was trying to do' your posting history seems extremely contrary to that. Its a great example of why I don't enjoy this place a bit more. Agenda based opinions

I've debunked your rubbish re. Klopp. You claimed no one would ever post exactly what Klopp did, and it took me a few mins explain - with stats and articles. Just as an FYI.

 

[Bilbo]

Agenda based indeed...

It is though isn't it? Anant completely took you apart on this with your own words. Your agenda back then was to dislike Klopp so you criticised him, which is fine (using far more hostile language than guff I might add). Your agenda now is to dislike Ole so you criticise him, which is fine too. It falls apart though when the same period of Klopps career you used to criticise you now praise to suit some other argument. It comes across as though you're making it up as you go along.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Funny that some of the saintly 'Ole in' crowd are acting like childish bully boys looking to get their like-minded pals to get involved in a good old fashioned pile-on.

The mask is slipping lads.

 

[NasirTimothy]

All I was pointing is no one, and I mean it, thought Klopp would be a massive success at Pool. Like I said in my post, nothing against you. Just pointing out that fans get it wrong around the "playing style" part wrong more often than not.

I don't care whether you're Ole-in or out. You certainly seem to be more on the fence rather than an extremist, and hence the reason for engaging with you, as I know I'm not talking against a brick wall

It’s fair to say that people doubted Klopp before his success with Liverpool, but there are key differences between him and Ole

1) Klopp had already proven that he was a top class manager prior to joining Liverpool. This makes it more logical to give him time to build something

2) Klopp had more tangible success early on in cup competitions, reaching finals IIRC, something that Ole still hasn’t yet done (we’ll see if he manages it this year)

Giving a guy you know is a great manager time to work things out is different from giving a guy who hasn’t proven anything at the highest level time to work things out.

 

[VP89]

All I was pointing is no one, and I mean it, thought Klopp would be a massive success at Pool. Like I said in my post, nothing against you. Just pointing out that fans get it wrong around the "playing style" part wrong more often than not.

I don't care whether you're Ole-in or out. You certainly seem to be more on the fence rather than an extremist, and hence the reason for engaging with you, as I know I'm not talking against a brick wall

I thought Klopp would be a success - even though I did post some bants along the way when he was struggling, as any rival supporter would. I also had a lot of respect for Rodgers even at his absolute worst when he was the butt of all jokes on the caf, maybe it's just the open attacking style I have a soft spot for!