Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)

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I never said Klopp gets everything he wants. Most managers don't.

FSG are simply better. Sure they have revamped one stand and are doing another in a year or two.

Have Won a league and CL.

Compare to Glazers and it's night and day.

Compare their other sport clubs as well and compare to Glazers and you see they are also better run.
 
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I never said Klopp gets everything he wants. Most managers don't.

FSG are simply better. Sure they have revamped one stand and are doing another in a year or two.

Have Won a league and CL.

Compare to Glazers and it's night and day.

Compare their other sport clubs as well and compare to Glazers and you see they are also better run.
didn’t they just win the super bowl?

not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, and frankly I know very little about their other businesses/ sports clubs.

I’m not a fanboy of the Glazers by any stretch, but in terms of on pitch investment I don’t think they can be faulted. Without sounding like a Liverpool fan, the comparison of ‘net spend’ between Liverpool and United post Fergie is like night and day.

the neglect of OT though is something that needs to be tackled. An optimist would hope it’s because we have some large scale development down the road...
 

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didn’t they just win the super bowl?

not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, and frankly I know very little about their other businesses/ sports clubs.

I’m not a fanboy of the Glazers by any stretch, but in terms of on pitch investment I don’t think they can be faulted. Without sounding like a Liverpool fan, the comparison of ‘net spend’ between Liverpool and United post Fergie is like night and day.

the neglect of OT though is something that needs to be tackled. An optimist would hope it’s because we have some large scale development down the road...
Yes they did. But they went to shit after they bought them. And took years 15+ years to win it again.

The Glazers lead failure.
 

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Yes they did. But they went to shit after they bought them. And took years 15+ years to win it again.

The Glazers lead failure.
The Buccaneers have won the super bowl twice, both while owned by the Glazers.

They’ve made the playoffs 8 times under Glazers, 3 before. 2 conference titles with Glazers, 0 without. 4 divisional titles, 2 without. Before being bought they hadn’t made the playoffs in 13 years, after being bought they were in the playoffs within 2 years.

The Buccaneers have performed far better with the Glazers than before them. Their records have all improved so they never “went to shit” at all.
 

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The Buccaneers have won the super bowl twice, both while owned by the Glazers.

They’ve made the playoffs 8 times under Glazers, 3 before. 2 conference titles with Glazers, 0 without. 4 divisional titles, 2 without. Before being bought they hadn’t made the playoffs in 13 years, after being bought they were in the playoffs within 2 years.

The Buccaneers have performed far better with the Glazers than before them. Their records have all improved so they never “went to shit” at all.
Thanks for the information. Good post. I’d never post about their tenure as owners of the Buccaneers simply because I have no clue about any of this!
 

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Well let's see where we are this time this August after a transfer window with the new format, DOF and his sidekick. Hopefully they will surprise us, but I won't hold my breath
 

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I know that Howson upsets a lot of the fanbase with his views and can totally understand that, however it's very hard to argue with his podcast yesterday where he really went in on those yankee leeches full throttle over the damage caused in the last 16 years and how things aren't going to change until they ever sell up.
 

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Think there's nothing new to add about Glazers/Ed W. They have made some changes on the football side of things, let's see how things unfold over the next year or so.
 

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I know that Howson upsets a lot of the fanbase with his views and can totally understand that, however it's very hard to argue with his podcast yesterday where he really went in on those yankee leeches full throttle over the damage caused in the last 16 years and how things aren't going to change until they ever sell up.
Do you have a link for this, buddy? I'm in the mood to listen to a rant but I can't find it :smirk:
 

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Think there's nothing new to add about Glazers/Ed W. They have made some changes on the football side of things, let's see how things unfold over the next year or so.
Where I stand as well. We have what we asked for, people in firmly labeled footballing roles, where we know who’s responsible for what, so let’s see how things go.
 

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I think this summer will be a definitive example of the different approaches in the market. We will probably end up chasing Ronaldo on a free, not going for Sancho, and a few more youth transfers. City will go all out for Haaland and land him. Aguero leaving is a massive indicator but maybe it was them in for Gabriel Veron? City also haven’t spent world record money on any player yet. That could all change this summer, I hope I’m wrong. We should really be all in for someone like Haaland. It’s no good spending as much as the Glazers do but then they just step aside when the very best players go up for sale.
 

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Dunno why people mention organizations in US owned by them as comparison, they dont care in the same way, also franchises are more home for them, cant do much but watch them milk clubs.
 

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Where I stand as well. We have what we asked for, people in firmly labeled footballing roles, where we know who’s responsible for what, so let’s see how things go.
Yeah that's the biggest thing, clarity on who does what. For us to be great again, we first have to become good. The transition from good to great will take some time, which I believe we are on the road to.

Recruitment will be massive this summer (as every summer). If Ole is about to sign a new contract, he must have got some reassurances he will be backed in the summer, & will be getting some of the players he wants for the first team.
 

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I think sometimes people underestimate just how much those summers from 2009-2013 really set us back in terms of building on the squad from a position of strength
 

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I think sometimes people underestimate just how much those summers from 2009-2013 really set us back in terms of building on the squad from a position of strength
The old value for money days

Where I believe we’ve got it wrong in recent years is the youth structure. However I think we are getting that right now.
 

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The old value for money days

Where I believe we’ve got it wrong in recent years is the youth structure. However I think we are getting that right now.
Yeah Fergie just wouldn't overpay in that period for any of Sneijder, Benzema, Hazard, Aguero, Silva, Moura or Toure, interesting to hear Mitten say on his recent podcast that he didn't think that was the right thing to do
 

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If Ole is about to sign a new contract, he must have got some reassurances he will be backed in the summer, & will be getting some of the players he wants for the first team.
You think? I think Woodward could squat one out at Ole's front door and he still wouldn't think twice about extending his contract with us.
 

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You think? I think Woodward could squat one out at Ole's front door and he still wouldn't think twice about extending his contract with us.
True. Ole seems to be happy to just have a managerial job at United. Our board have all the leverage. Or at least that’s my assumption.
 

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Like the fee required for Haaland, gone are the days when the funds generated for the club stayed with the club and enabled them to sign world class players as required. That situation now rests with other clubs, the Glazers only sporting interet lies with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and that’s why they have remained relevant and able to spend as needed, because that’s where their interest lies - Man Utd is across the ocean and a dividend machine! Nothing more , nothing less.
 

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I always TRY to be objective as possible. Although I never wanted the Glazers here, I have always tried to see what good they have done.

The Glazers have done some decent stuff and a lot of terrible stuff. But what I don't get is, and people who whole heartedly support the Glazers haven't yet answered me, why they have such different approaches to the Bucs & United?

We've seen the likes of Joel talk loads officially in front of the camera about Bucs but never once about United? Why have we never heard from the Glazers when it comes to United, in the same way as they do the Bucs?
 

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I always TRY to be objective as possible. Although I never wanted the Glazers here, I have always tried to see what good they have done.

The Glazers have done some decent stuff and a lot of terrible stuff. But what I don't get is, and people who whole heartedly support the Glazers haven't yet answered me, why they have such different approaches to the Bucs & United?

We've seen the likes of Joel talk loads officially in front of the camera about Bucs but never once about United? Why have we never heard from the Glazers when it comes to United, in the same way as they do the Bucs?
They know they are despised, and have no real connection to the sport/culture. Its smart they say silent really, just quietly keep taking money
 

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Had my phone playing youtube while shaving my head beard and balls yesterday, when this came on.


Depressed the shit out of me.

Not gonna lie i'd rather some of that ay-rab money than be a cashcow to these leeches.
feck, I wish I hadn’t watched that.

I’m waiting for one of the cnuts on this forum to say how much we’ve spent, how well we’re run and that’s how capitalism works but if there was any moment I found myself in the same room as one of the Glazers/Woodward I’d be giving more than a wet Willy. :mad:
 

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feck, I wish I hadn’t watched that.

I’m waiting for one of the cnuts on this forum to say how much we’ve spent, how well we’re run and that’s how capitalism works but if there was any moment I found myself in the same room as one of the Glazers/Woodward I’d be giving more than a wet Willy. :mad:
Every time someone posts that 'the Glazers have spent so much/look at our transfer spending', God reaches for the flood button and Jesus and Buddha have to rush to get Him in a double armlock.
 

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The only way to get rid of the leeches are massive protests. The mass media and internet platforms will pick it up. If they do not sell, we will be the new Arsenal.
 

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The only way to get rid of the leeches are massive protests. The mass media and internet platforms will pick it up. If they do not sell, we will be the new Arsenal.
We already are. Too many people, including our own fans are complicit in them getting away with it.

The attitude that we are stuck with them is just pathetic.
 

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feck, I wish I hadn’t watched that.

I’m waiting for one of the cnuts on this forum to say how much we’ve spent, how well we’re run and that’s how capitalism works but if there was any moment I found myself in the same room as one of the Glazers/Woodward I’d be giving more than a wet Willy. :mad:
It’s interesting how people can interpret the same information differently. Let’s look at some facts:

1. We have consistently spent highly on the transfer market under the Glazers.

2. The Glazers have consistently taken money out of the club.

3. The Glazers have loaded the company with debt.

4. Debt repayments are equal to or lesser than dividend payments would be if there was no debt.

5. Dividend payments or tax burdens on profits could be avoided by investing into the infrastructure of the club (capital expenditure)., as opposed to debt repayment.

6. The club has performed to a higher level commercially since their takeover.

7. All EPL clubs have performed better commercially over the last decade.

8. Commercial growth is lower at Utd, %age wise, than EPL rivals.

9. The club has performed poorly on the field since 2013.

10. The club has hired and fired 4 managers in 8 years with no strategic continuity.

11. Return on investment in player recruitment, sporting or financial, has been consistently poor over the last 8 years.

12. Club following internationally has continued to grow.

13. Club status domestically and internationally, has fallen over the same period.

14. Club infrastructure, particularly match day facilities, are decaying and have fallen behind domestic rivals.

These are the facts. Without any partisan interpretation. If you weigh these up analytically you can reach a very obvious conclusion about the performance and effect of Glazer ownership.
 

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Every time someone posts that 'the Glazers have spent so much/look at our transfer spending', God reaches for the flood button and Jesus and Buddha have to rush to get Him in a double armlock.
Sir Alex has long since retired, Jesus plays for shitty and I’m assuming Buddha is someone highly rated on FM that I have never heard of but thanks for the heads up.
 

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It’s interesting how people can interpret the same information differently. Let’s look at some facts:

1. We have consistently spent highly on the transfer market under the Glazers.

2. The Glazers have consistently taken money out of the club.

3. The Glazers have loaded the company with debt.

4. Debt repayments are equal to or lesser than dividend payments would be if there was no debt.

5. Dividend payments or tax burdens on profits could be avoided by investing into the infrastructure of the club (capital expenditure)., as opposed to debt repayment.

6. The club has performed to a higher level commercially since their takeover.

7. All EPL clubs have performed better commercially over the last decade.

8. Commercial growth is lower at Utd, %age wise, than EPL rivals.

9. The club has performed poorly on the field since 2013.

10. The club has hired and fired 4 managers in 8 years with no strategic continuity.

11. Return on investment in player recruitment, sporting or financial, has been consistently poor over the last 8 years.

12. Club following internationally has continued to grow.

13. Club status domestically and internationally, has fallen over the same period.

14. Club infrastructure, particularly match day facilities, are decaying and have fallen behind domestic rivals.

These are the facts. Without any partisan interpretation. If you weigh these up analytically you can reach a very obvious conclusion about the performance and effect of Glazer ownership.
Yeah, they’re cnuts.
 

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We already are. Too many people, including our own fans are complicit in them getting away with it.

The attitude that we are stuck with them is just pathetic.
We are stuck with them though. Even if a few fans decided to hand in their season tickets as a protest there's 700 or so million Utd fans world wide someone will quickly take their place. We protested in 2005 and 2010 it did nothing. Tried #UnfollowUnited on social media did nothing. Nobody is casually spending £3-4bn to buy us anytime soon if ever. Unless our performances seriously plummet to relegation levels (which will never happen as The Glazers will always spend enough to keep us attractive) they are never leaving. Even if the current guys get old they'll just hand it to their kids. Our only hope is for Ole to keep overachieving, our new "transfer committee" does it's job well finding gems, some academy players to do really well and Klopp/Pep to leave or seriously regress for us to stand a chance of winning the PL. The sooner people make piece with this the better
 

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Man Utd are too big a commercial entity for a handful of local fans to change it's ownership structure through mass protests and demonstrations. The cash registers will keep ringing as we have international appeal and the juggernaught will continue. As long as Glazers are able to keep the club competitive while taking out dividends, they won't sell. This is basically a perpetuity for them.

We can keep cribbing about it or shout from rooftops but this is the fact. We need to embrace reality.
 

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We are stuck with them though. Even if a few fans decided to hand in their season tickets as a protest there's 700 or so million Utd fans world wide someone will quickly take their place. We protested in 2005 and 2010 it did nothing. Tried #UnfollowUnited on social media did nothing. Nobody is casually spending £3-4bn to buy us anytime soon if ever. Unless our performances seriously plummet to relegation levels (which will never happen as The Glazers will always spend enough to keep us attractive) they are never leaving. Even if the current guys get old they'll just hand it to their kids. Our only hope is for Ole to keep overachieving, our new "transfer committee" does it's job well finding gems, some academy players to do really well and Klopp/Pep to leave or seriously regress for us to stand a chance of winning the PL. The sooner people make piece with this the better
We may be stuck with them but being silent is somewhat pathetic.

It certainly might be possible to get them to improve as owners if the fans and media held them to hire standards.

Pressure can work wonders. When people are quiet it's very easy for them to let us get worse and worse
 

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Active protests would be much more helpful than keeping silent. The fans will return to stadia and their voices will not go unheard. Do it throughout a season and see how it is picked up by media. Former United players current pundits like Gary Neville may keep silent, but lots of other journalists and commentators will make sure that this is not swept under the carpet as the protests will create a perfect agenda for them to generate more clicks and views which is their bread. Alternatively, we can keep our mouths shut and watch the club go down the scousers route of not winning anything big for decades.