They took a gamble and they lost it. I'm almost certain they will miss out on top 4 now considering Bundesliga plays 4 games less so they are also running out of games to catch up. Hopefully this teaches the club some humility and their PR/Social Media team stop tweeting those petty and childish stuff.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
This is their statement
They come across as bitchy and insecure for no apparent reason and the same happened again this past summer. As if they need to constantly beat their own drum or make thinly veiled attack on others to make their brand look good.
We have a good chance of signing Sancho this summer. A similarly cnutish thing to do would be for our statement to include Dortmund's 5th place finish and Europa qualification next year therein. Hope we don't though.
Yeah plenty of time to do that later, after we have signed Haaland too
Thanks. Yeah, that statement was bitchy.
Wow, just wow. If I think United fans are idiots for their disrespect to Dortmund as a club, I should go and support City instead.
Class.
Dortmund and Leverkusen both battling it out for the Europa Conference League spots. You absolutely love to see it
The other part of this is people wanting to have the I told you so moment after being proved correct. Most of the summer the points Utd fans made were correct.
No one would pay 108 million for him. correct.
He is at maximum value. Correct.
He wants to leave and you will demotivate him. Correct.
Covid is going to hurt football you would be better off taking the 80 million offered. Correct.
I think Utd would be half a dozen points closer to City if we had bought him. We probably wouldn't have bought Amad which might turn out to be a blessing in disguise. We wouldn't have bought DVB.
On the other hand Dortmund will lose far more money if they don't make the champions league next year and Sancho's form is at least part of the reason they are struggling.
There is clearly a chance the transfer would have worked out better for both clubs in the end.
No one would pay 108 million for him. correct.
He is at maximum value. Correct.
He wants to leave and you will demotivate him. Correct.
Covid is going to hurt football you would be better off taking the 80 million offered. Correct.
I think Utd would be half a dozen points closer to City if we had bought him. We probably wouldn't have bought Amad which might turn out to be a blessing in disguise. We wouldn't have bought DVB.
On the other hand Dortmund will lose far more money if they don't make the champions league next year and Sancho's form is at least part of the reason they are struggling.
There is clearly a chance the transfer would have worked out better for both clubs in the end.
So where exactly is their weak link, the back 5? Honestly I don't even know who their defenders are besides Hummels.
I still don't get how appoint Terzic for Favre looked like a good idea. All well and fine that they were after Rose for next season but there was zero need to replace him with such an inexperienced manager. Not only that Gladbachs form has completely gone down the drain as well because they had to announce that early that Rose was coming next season, so now there are two teams playing for managers who are on borrowed time and you can't convince me that this fact isn't going to affect team performances.
I have a lot of sympathies for Dortmund but honestly I can't say they don't deserve the shit show they are being served right now it's entirely of their own making.
I have a lot of sympathies for Dortmund but honestly I can't say they don't deserve the shit show they are being served right now it's entirely of their own making.
They don't have to promise that, it's just the reality of the football world. Apart from Haaland that is, who did get that promise in writing via his buyout clause.
I think you're letting biases cloud your judgement because you're only seeing the players who ultimately did turn into players that bigger clubs covet. Young players still need to actually break through and reach that level, which is far from guaranteed. When you look at who Dortmund signed in recent years, there are a number of players who cost more and were older than the teenage stars. Players like Witsel, Delaney, Hazard, Can, Meunier, Schulz, Brandt, Philipp, Schurrle, Yarmonlenko, Götze, Alcacer, Immobile, Mkhitaryan etc were all bought above 20m (apart from Meunier) and in their mid 20s. These players were clearly not bought with the ultimate aim of cashing in on them and making as much money as possible. If anything players like that were supposed to be the spine of the team, and many of them old enough that you'd expect Dortmund to be the club they spend their peak years at. People look at Dortmund starting all these 18 year olds and think they're just putting them in the shop window playing attacking football at the expense of success, when it's obvious it's the failure of the established players to carry the team that puts them in their current situation.
The reality is Dortmund can't afford to buy established players of that quality so they go for promising young players and hope they choose to stay long enough to benefit from having players of that quality. However those young players aren't supposed to carry the team like they almost have to now. They should supplement a functional team. That has also been their transfer strategy if you actually look at who they signed, it's just not working out right now.
I doubt any young player in Sancho's situation at City is going to look at Sancho now and think "no way am I going to Dortmund, they won't let him leave!", isn't that putting the cart before the horse? Haaland's transfer isn't really comparable because he was scoring for fun in Salzburg and the CL. Young players will look at teams where they can develop into good players, and not take it for granted that they will.
The midfield is average and doesn't protect their leaky defense but that's common in a lot of Bundesliga teams.
Also, only Sancho and Haaland stand out from their set of forwards, Reus has declined a lot.
Dortmund as a club disrespected United as a club. But that doesn't seem to bother you as much.
I absolutely love to see it!
If these were in the premier league, they'd probably be close to the relegation spots.
If these were in the premier league, they'd probably be close to the relegation spots.
Why do fans of the English record champion even care who finishes fifth and sixth in the German feeder league?
The joke is on you and you don't even get it. You are obsessing over Dortmund because your very own yellow press took the piss on United's back this summer. They reported what you wanted to hear and you believed it like naive little children. And in the end, they offered you some scapegoats to channel your frustration and you gratefully accepted. All this hate towards Bundesliga fans stems from some of us trying to reason with you, it's essentially a defensive reaction because somebody tried to burst your precious, comfy little bubble. Funny thing is, it's one sided. You guys care more about the fan base of clubs several magnitudes smaller than yours than they do about your club.
So yeah, enjoy your little echo chamber and don't let reality distract you
Meanwhile Dortmund and us fight out who'll get the chance to meet you guys in the Europa League after you'll inevitably crash out in the CL group stage again.The BDL guys are back.
Safe to say the Dortmund thread got a nibbleWhy do fans of the English record champion even care who finishes fifth and sixth in the German feeder league?
The joke is on you and you don't even get it. You are obsessing over Dortmund because your very own yellow press took the piss on United's back this summer. They reported what you wanted to hear and you believed it like naive little children. And in the end, they offered you some scapegoats to channel your frustration and you gratefully accepted. All this hate towards Bundesliga fans stems from some of us trying to reason with you, it's essentially a defensive reaction because somebody tried to burst your precious, comfy little bubble. Funny thing is, it's one sided. You guys care more about the fan base of clubs several magnitudes smaller than yours than they do about your club.
So yeah, enjoy your little echo chamber and don't let reality distract you
And I don’t know where the **** this Amir guy coming from, pretending to be a United fan. He Should go and moan about it on Dortmund forums.
Look at that. Dying to meet us in the Europa League. Cute.Why do fans of the English record champion even care who finishes fifth and sixth in the German feeder league?
The joke is on you and you don't even get it. You are obsessing over Dortmund because your very own yellow press took the piss on United's back this summer. They reported what you wanted to hear and you believed it like naive little children. And in the end, they offered you some scapegoats to channel your frustration and you gratefully accepted. All this hate towards Bundesliga fans stems from some of us trying to reason with you, it's essentially a defensive reaction because somebody tried to burst your precious, comfy little bubble. Funny thing is, it's one sided. You guys care more about the fan base of clubs several magnitudes smaller than yours than they do about your club.
So yeah, enjoy your little echo chamber and don't let reality distract you
It's amusing to see other team's supporters cry about getting a disproportionate response (Yew hate us mor than vee doo!), when their numbers are obviously disproportionate to the United fans on here given its a Manchester United forum and the voice of our own fans will always be loudest here. Dortmund fans don't need to be upset about United as our club don't tend to mock them which is really how football clubs should conduct themselves.
Goodness me, Dortmund as a club is full of disgrace and mocked United on their official social media account. Stop pretending you are a United fan!
How many United supporters can you find in your Leverkusen forum? If you even have one, that is.
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United fans are the ones who are obsessed, says the Leverkusen fan in a thread about Dortmund on a United forum.Why do fans of the English record champion even care who finishes fifth and sixth in the German feeder league?
The joke is on you and you don't even get it. You are obsessing over Dortmund because your very own yellow press took the piss on United's back this summer. They reported what you wanted to hear and you believed it like naive little children. And in the end, they offered you some scapegoats to channel your frustration and you gratefully accepted. All this hate towards Bundesliga fans stems from some of us trying to reason with you, it's essentially a defensive reaction because somebody tried to burst your precious, comfy little bubble. Funny thing is, it's one sided. You guys care more about the fan base of clubs several magnitudes smaller than yours than they do about your club.
So yeah, enjoy your little echo chamber and don't let reality distract you
There we go Gazza, you said it. It's a matter of opinion, some fans are finding Dortmund's predicament rather funny whereas others think it's petty that people find it funny.
So why can't Amir & others move on to another thread and accept that people can have different opinions!
So guys are constantly complaining about Raiola but when he works in your favor and forces Dortmund to sell a player to United they don't wanted to sell, everything's fine? Has it ever occurred to you that there might be a reason why Dortmund's officials, who have very good business relationships to most big European clubs out there, are so pissed at United and United alone? Of course it hasn't, how could anybody dislike United, the world revolves around you.
This whole thread is so full of double standards and intellectual dishonesty, it could be a Twitter discussion under a Trump post.
Brilliant, really brilliant. So one sided that you needed to start an attack in the next paragraphFunny thing is, it's one sided. You guys care more about the fan base of clubs several magnitudes smaller than yours than they do about your club.
So yeah, enjoy your little echo chamber and don't let reality distract you
If you can't handle the banter stay out of the banter kitchen, as the famous saying goes.
How did Dortmund get 'forced' to sell a player? An agent's job is to get their player the move they want. Behaving like cnuts whether it's Dortmund or Raiola deserves calling out.
You seem to hate this place. Why are you even on here if it's so bad? Do you support Dortmund or Leverkusen?
United has been one of the most disliked clubs in England for the last couple of decades, it's not something new for the fans...
So, in your opinion, Dortmund's officials can dish it out (with no response from United of course) but we as fans are not allowed to laugh when they cock it up because they are a smaller club?
It's a football forum, it's not that serious. Of course it's full of double standards, and Utd leaning opinions. It's a laugh, its piss taking. The people who take what they say on here too seriously, and defend their words paragraph after paragraph relentlessly, and this isn't actually aimed at you more a general point, are a breed of human I just don't really get. Life's too short to fight online after you've turned 16, especially when so many on here will refuse to budge or admit defeat.
You are a Leverkusen fan defending Dortmund on a Manchester United forum on a thread dedicated to Dortmund. How mentally fecked do you have to be to not understand how insane that actually us? Point out a Manchester United fan on a Leverkusen forum talking about Dortmund complaining about Dortmund fans complaining about Manchester United and then we'll talk who is obsessed.
Yeah, I guess it deserves calling out as long as it's not United. Because then the other side deserves being called out for calling out United for behaving like cnuts. cnuts.
Oh and I joined because I wanted to discuss topics I couldn't discuss in German forums. But that was before this place started to behave like a gathering of Brexiteers. At least I got to understand how prone you people are to fake news and media narratives.
From Rehovot, Israel. It's there, under the name. Like you're from Oslo, which is somewhere in Sweden I'll assume.
Maybe if you stopped behaving like a petulant 16 year old with tears streaming down your posts people would take you more seriously.
I mean, anyone behaving poorly deserves calling out. But which club goes as hard on its own as it does others? Are German club's/fans saintly entities/beings that are above all that?
I think every fan scene is shit because in it's core, football support is tribal. It's them against you, you against them. You dislike people because they support a certain club or come from a certain area. So it's fine while it's superficial and fun between friends but the moment people take it too seriously, it shows its ugly face. And I also believe large clubs have higher proportions of such fans because people who have nothing in life search something they can be proud of.
This discussion is the embodiment of that thinking for me. People are unhappy with United's state in the last year, they wanted Sancho as an immediate improvement but didn't get him and now need a scapegoat. If you don't see those patterns, I can't help you, but they are there, like it or not. I generally thought that your posts were quality although we've clashed a few times already but right now you're just contributing to the echo chamber this place has become. This is the actual conflict. You have foreign posters who came here for different perspectives and you have the tribal United supporters who want the exact opposite. Has nothing to do with clubs though, most fans are idiots. German fans are the same. But they usually stick to German forums.
But you're right, maybe it's time to question if it still makes sense to participate in this forum. Becoming way too hostile.
For people who are so sure of being fans of the biggest club in the world, you sure are a sensible lot when it comes to mild jokes.
Bundesliga fans have seen the Batman-esque signal in the sky!
Appropriate time for your meme, @horsechoker .
Appropriate time for your meme, @horsechoker .
Yes we are very sensible , thank you.
Isn't the banter in this thread a mild joke too? Unless you , a Bayern fan, are taking it very seriously?
There are plenty of people on here who go way overboard with the stuff they say about Dortmund or the Bundesliga, but you have to realise that you are just as overboard the opposite way. The reality is somewhere in the middle.
Dortmund quite obviously used the situation to try to make themselves look like a big, strong club. A significantly overpriced asking price (fair enough if you don't want to sell), a ridiculously early deadline, a refusal to communicate directly between clubs, regular statements to the press, a couple of smart-arse social media statements. They played a game with it all. On the one hand you could say they won the game since they kept the player, but it hasn't exactly worked out for them has it? And it's not exactly surprising that the other player who was on the end of their games are finding some humour in their current struggles.
There's plenty of butthurt Utd fans in here talking a lot of shit. It's bloody annoying to me seeing some of the rubbish they say and I wish they wouldn't as all it does is make our club and fanbase look like arrogant cry-babies who can't handle when things don't go our way. But you're not exactly Mr Innocent there either.
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