Jim Beam
Gets aroused by men in low socks
In fact, there is prostitution of a top talent player going around Europe atm. Some will call it ambition, I call it pathetic.
And the comfort zone in terms of actual football - when Spurs lose or underperform, it's never really Kane's fault, he is the golden boy of Spurs. If he moves here, for instance, the media and fan scrutiny goes up a level. Neutrals become more invested in his performances (because at the moment, who really gives a feck about Spurs performances outside of occasionally laughing at Mourinho meltdowns?) etc etc.Regarding the comfort zone, I think people underestimate how much these players value their all round satisfaction with their lives. He’s probably got a house he loves with family and friends around him. He’s a god amongst fans and probably enjoys the attention in his local area.
From a footballing perspective it’s low ambition but from a general life happiness perspective, fair play.
The stadium will be the best thing we have ever done as a club in the long term and secures the clubs future.Think Kane has raised Spurs level which is a bad reflection on Levy making decisions such as investing in a stadium rather than pouring resources into the first team to gain a trophy. It's not like Tottenham have been a million miles off with regards to silverware they just haven't closed the gap.
Yep, this is absolutely the case. Just one of those tribalist football fan things.Loyalty in football is a funny thing and generally is viewed as a one-way street by fans.
Player leaves because he thinks the club is not good enough? He's a traitor.
Club lets a player go because they think he's not good enough? Absolutely fine.
If wasting your career is earning a vast fortune playing for a club that’s special to you and doing the thing you probably enjoy most in the world. Then sign me up.
Well some may argue ‘becoming a club legend’ is more important than trophies! I’m sure, for instance, he’d win a boat load of trophies at PSG- but would that have a higher intrinsic value to Kane than being forever adored at Spurs? I doubt itDon’t respect Kane any more for staying at Spurs, than I would had he left a few years and won a few trophies. Exactly the same with Totti, de Rossi & Shearer they choose to be club legends rather then leave to win titles.
Yeah. Fans who project their own weird ideas of ideal career paths on football players can feck off honestly.All depends on what players want to achieve in their careers and lives. It’s not really up to fans to dictate that based on our own personal preferences.
I would begrudgingly accept it, obviously not if it was Chelsea though(don't think Kane would ever go for that anyway). He has done all he can for Spurs, clearly I'd rather he stayed but would not blame him at all for wanting to leave.In extension, Spurs fans: if Kane wanted to move on, would he have your blessing and empathy as to why, or should he retire with you?
No. People said the same when Carrick, Keane and Berbatov left within two years of each other but Spurs built and improved. People said the same when Modric and Bale left, Spurs improved. If/when Kane leaves then whilst it'd likely hurt in the short-term I don't see why we can't build again. Spurs are a big club, not as big as a Man Utd but a big club nonetheless and with the infrastructure in place to get bigger in the long-term.Another question is what happens to Spurs when he leaves? Is it the death knell on their ambitions to be anything other than a top six club?
He won't be vilified by Spurs fans. Unless he ended up at a rival(Chelsea).I do feel sorry for players like Kane in particular, because he knows he gets completely vilified if he leaves, even if it’s for the best of his career.
No, that's stupid.He was recently in a CL final with them, and was probably the reason that they lost it
Not saying he does, but maybe he feels he owes them a trophy
AgreeLoyalty in football is a funny thing and generally is viewed as a one-way street by fans.
Player leaves because he thinks the club is not good enough? He's a traitor.
Club lets a player go because they think he's not good enough? Absolutely fine.
Don't think either of those analogies really work, what's challenging about him rocking up at say City or PSG and collecting a few medals? He already competes in the best league, the Champions League(well, until recently) and internationally. It's not like he's spent his career beating up Ligue 1 and not tested himself any higher. It would be nice for him to have the accolades to back it up but everyone knows what he's capable of regardless.I think its pathetic. You should challenge yourself to the highest point you can achieve. Its like a mountain climber being happy with climbing Ben Nevis. Or an athlete never getting to the Olympics. Or a boxer never going for World titles.
That brings up an interesting concept in my mind. I'm sure a lot of players would like to win the Champions League with PSG, but how much would someone who probably grew up never watching much Ligue 1 or the French Cup, which I'm guessing would apply to Kane care about those? Not really PSG specific or French club specific, could apply that to players from all countries playing in all other countries. Suppose English football has an advantage of sorts there as it's well-watched around the world so players from all over might actually dream about wining the Premier League or at one time the FA Cup.Well some may argue ‘becoming a club legend’ is more important than trophies! I’m sure, for instance, he’d win a boat load of trophies at PSG- but would that have a higher intrinsic value to Kane than being forever adored at Spurs? I doubt it
I think football has moved on from being a sport to being a investment. So players need to treat it as such invest in their careers. Loyalty is a 2 way street and in this day and age, clubs don't care if you are a academy lad or a legend if they see an opportunity to move you on and find someone new/better/shiny toy, they will do it. So why sink with the ship while you can bask in glory on a yatcht?Harry Kane is probably the most high profile player in relation to the thread title - although it could be argued Pogba is doing the same - but the overarching question here is how do you ultimately regard players who are considered stars of their generation who don't go on to play for the top (or most succesful during their time) clubs, or at least have a measure of success, trophy-wise, should they decide to stay at the club that they essentially made their name with?
It's all said to be noble and sign of character to not move on, but when all's said and done, is there no question of what could have been?
Shearer is always mentioned in light of what he could have made of himself had he joined Manchester United, but at least with him, there was a period of time where it genuinely looked like Newcastle could go on to have their own time in the sun, that too with him already having won a league title. Someone like Kane doesn't even have these factors to console himself with and he really doesn't have much time left to make a significant mark on the game as a whole - I think it's safe to say he could go down as perhaps a player to even rival Greaves, as far as Spurs are concerned, but, for a player of his ability, is that enough?
Fans tend to be hypcritical when it comes to the push-pull machinations of players looking to better themselves, or making the best of themselves - as long as it doesn't concern their own team, it tends to be fine and dandy, otherwise, the player is perhaps a sell-out and a merc' who has no interest in helping out during the hard times; basically, if he's good, he should sacrifice his best years, if he's not, he good riddance etc. etc.
With regards to someone like Kane, do you see it as noble that he stays where he is, or a waste? If he were at your club, and your club wasn't delivering, would he have your blessing to move on? In extension, Spurs fans: if Kane wanted to move on, would he have your blessing and empathy as to why, or should he retire with you?
Maybe you should read your posts and then rethink who is stupidI would begrudgingly accept it, obviously not if it was Chelsea though(don't think Kane would ever go for that anyway). He has done all he can for Spurs, clearly I'd rather he stayed but would not blame him at all for wanting to leave.
No. People said the same when Carrick, Keane and Berbatov left within two years of each other but Spurs built and improved. People said the same when Modric and Bale left, Spurs improved. If/when Kane leaves then whilst it'd likely hurt in the short-term I don't see why we can't build again. Spurs are a big club, not as big as a Man Utd but a big club nonetheless and with the infrastructure in place to get bigger in the long-term.
He won't be vilified by Spurs fans. Unless he ended up at a rival(Chelsea).
No, that's stupid.
Agree
Don't think either of those analogies really work, what's challenging about him rocking up at say City or PSG and collecting a few medals? He already competes in the best league, the Champions League(well, until recently) and internationally. It's not like he's spent his career beating up Ligue 1 and not tested himself any higher. It would be nice for him to have the accolades to back it up but everyone knows what he's capable of regardless.
Most of us here would do the same too because we are speaking from a fan perspective. If Harry Kane is a Spurs diehard fan, he probably feels the same way too.If I was a professional footballer I'd play my entire career at United if i could, even if it meant never winning a trophy.
I mean that’s easy to say as a United fan because it’s a massive club with a global fan base and over the duration of that career you’re likely to pick up some silverware.If I was a professional footballer I'd play my entire career at United if i could, even if it meant never winning a trophy.
So whats the point of titles? What was so great about scholes, giggs, cantona? All they did was rock up at a good team and collect a few medals.I would begrudgingly accept it, obviously not if it was Chelsea though(don't think Kane would ever go for that anyway). He has done all he can for Spurs, clearly I'd rather he stayed but would not blame him at all for wanting to leave.
No. People said the same when Carrick, Keane and Berbatov left within two years of each other but Spurs built and improved. People said the same when Modric and Bale left, Spurs improved. If/when Kane leaves then whilst it'd likely hurt in the short-term I don't see why we can't build again. Spurs are a big club, not as big as a Man Utd but a big club nonetheless and with the infrastructure in place to get bigger in the long-term.
He won't be vilified by Spurs fans. Unless he ended up at a rival(Chelsea).
No, that's stupid.
Agree
Don't think either of those analogies really work, what's challenging about him rocking up at say City or PSG and collecting a few medals? He already competes in the best league, the Champions League(well, until recently) and internationally. It's not like he's spent his career beating up Ligue 1 and not tested himself any higher. It would be nice for him to have the accolades to back it up but everyone knows what he's capable of regardless.
Yes but the PNE thing doesn't really work, because throughout Kane's time at Spurs they've been primarily a top 6 club, so it's not like he's not earning amazing money and failing to he recognised on the global stage.I mean that’s easy to say as a United fan because it’s a massive club with a global fan base and over the duration of that career you’re likely to pick up some silverware.
If you were a boyhood, say, Preston North End fan who was wanted by the best teams would you still think you would want to be a club legend?
Spurs are a huge club but there is a tier above that Kane can move to if he wants to add silverware.
Utd hadn't won a title in over 25 years when Cantona joined and Scholes/Giggs were young players who had just come through the system, hardly a comparable situation to an established star joining a team virtually guaranteed of winning titles.So whats the point of titles? What was so great about scholes, giggs, cantona? All they did was rock up at a good team and collect a few medals.