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Zidane sack watch - 19/20
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Not at all, the better teams in a competition, the competition is harder to win, simple logic.
Ahh... they would wouldn't they..
Read what I wrote again. This time more carefully
I love this threads 
Again, not comparing a single treble with a 3peat. Well done for lacking reading comprehension. How many times has 2 trebles been done by the same club?
The Madrid 3-peat is decades after Bosman, therefore the best players all play in the CL
QED the CL is much harder to win than the EC
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Not necessarily true at all. First of all you can’t get knocked out early. Secondly you will be in the competition every year so you get dozens of bites at the cherry (just ask Diego Maradona). Thirdly, you get to build your own Superteam to take on the others. Winning with 11 Spaniards v 11 Englishmen (or Dutch/Germans/Portuguese etc) is not necessarily easier than winning with your own multinational superteam against other superteams. Because you don’t have the benefit of £100m foreigners either.
But I don’t expect you to understand because you have ‘CR7 fan’ written in your bio so everything associated with him must obviously be the best ever I guess.
Fair points all
Barca fans genuinely trying to argue that the Ovrebo match was somehow not a scandal in their favour is perhaps the best example of cognitive dissonance I've ever seen on this forum
As you are a ‘CR7 fan’, let me put it in language you can definitely understand. Let’s say it was like the old times and players stayed in their own countries. Let’s say CR7 remained with Lisbon or played for Benfica. Let’s also say it was the old rules and only champions could qualify for the CL.
Do you seriously think it would be ‘easier’ for him to win the European Cup with 10 or 11 Portuguese players as opposed to with billion dollar squads at United and Real Madrid? Be honest now
Why does it ever matter if he's won in different countries or with different teams? I always found that argument made primarily by Mourinho and Cristiano Ronaldo kinda weird (small country syndrome). For example you wont find Ancelotti boasting he won in Italy, Spain, Germany, France and England as some type of apex achievement, in fact he's more likely to point to his three CL's as his most significant cap in his feather.
He did win those 3 CLs with 2 different teams though and he’s the only one of the 3 guys with 3 titles who won with different teams.
I’m not saying that doing it with different teams automatically makes you better though, and I concede to your point on that. If ZZ had nine league titles with Real Madrid, it wouldn’t necessarily be worse than Pep’s record with different teams because ZZ would have had to build different squads at Madrid in order to accomplish that and he might have spent less money. I guess I was just trying to make a point about Pep’s success over a longer period.
Eight out of the nine final appearances and three out of the four wins from Portuguese teams in the European Cup happened in the "old" tournament. That would suggest that the difference in odds isn't as big as you think it is.
European cup was a harder trophy to win back in the 60s and 70s for sure.
Before Madrid, no team had ever retained the CL. 3-peat is outrageous.
So Portuguese teams won 3 times in 40 years when it was a more level playing field and it’s nowadays virtually impossible for a Portuguese team to win because it’s not one of the big leagues. Thanks for making my point for me.
Hilarious seeing Chelsea fans act like the two stonewall Barca pens before any Chelsea claim in the tie is irrelevantBarca fans genuinely trying to argue that the Ovrebo match was somehow not a scandal in their favour is perhaps the best example of cognitive dissonance I've ever seen on this forum
Maybe if Drogba was not a prone diver and didnt wait 30 seconds to fall after the shirt pull from Abidal he would have got a penalty.
Also its laughable that you actually claimed Abidal brought down Anelka...
Heres a FACT for you if officials did their job Barca could easily have been at least 3 nil up in the tie. Eto clearly onside, Ballack should have seen red in leg 1, Henry penalty and Ballack handball in the box.
BUT BUT BUT the bald ref gave Barca everything, we were robbed, all those other decisions mean jack. 15 penalties we should have got. Robbery.. blah blah blah
Biggest myth in football history alongside Gerrard apparently single-handedly winning CL for Liverpool.
Seems I've struck a nerve! Perhaps it's telling that literally every other fanbase is against you - including our domestic rivals? Or are you claiming the entire world is biased against Barcelona? Now who's peddling conspiracy theories!Hilarious seeing Chelsea fans act like the two stonewall Barca pens before any Chelsea claim in the tie is irrelevant
Maybe if Drogba was not a prone diver and didnt wait 30 seconds to fall after the shirt pull from Abidal he would have got a penalty.
Also its laughable that you actually claimed Abidal brought down Anelka...
Heres a FACT for you if officials did their job Barca could easily have been at least 3 nil up in the tie. Eto clearly onside, Ballack should have seen red in leg 1, Henry penalty and Ballack handball in the box.
BUT BUT BUT the bald ref gave Barca everything, we were robbed, all those other decisions mean jack. 15 penalties we should have got. Robbery.. blah blah blah
Biggest myth in football history alongside Gerrard apparently single-handedly winning CL for Liverpool.
Genuinely can't be understated how hilarious it is that you're unwilling to admit Barcelona benefited from an all-time appalling referee performance. How is your entire fanbase still this precious 12 years later?
This thread is collecting enough information to start a few big data projects.
But it was even harder in the 40s.
You may believe that because all the EPL fanboys had an inferiority complex when it comes to Spain and especially Barca. But there are numerous non Barca fans who are not biased or have a hatred/agenda and can form a fair and true reflection on that tie.
That being both sides got many clear incorrect decisions against them. The difference between Barca fans and English fans is we admit decisions went for us, you lot refuse to accept the many decisions that went for Chelsea.
Happened against Arsenal as well, Villa goal well onside ruled out, RVP should have seen red for a horrfic stamp at the Nou Camp. But what do the English state? Arsenal were robbed with the RVP red card..
Our fanbase 'precious' your the one that is making up fake contact to Anelka 12 years on, claiming it was a conspiracy.
https://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/abidal-admits-bringing-anelka-down-cl-semi-final-243176You may believe that because all the EPL fanboys had an inferiority complex when it comes to Spain and especially Barca. But there are numerous non Barca fans who are not biased or have a hatred/agenda and can form a fair and true reflection on that tie.
That being both sides got many clear incorrect decisions against them. The difference between Barca fans and English fans is we admit decisions went for us, you lot refuse to accept the many decisions that went for Chelsea.
Happened against Arsenal as well, Villa goal well onside ruled out, RVP should have seen red for a horrfic stamp at the Nou Camp. But what do the English state? Arsenal were robbed with the RVP red card..
Our fanbase 'precious' your the one that is making up fake contact to Anelka 12 years on, claiming it was a conspiracy.
Oh goodness, looks like your own players aren't even buying into your nonsense?
Strange that the massive worldwide phenomenon that is Tribal football seems to be the only place that has those quotes and don't even state where they originate.
Also first part contradicts the second with the use of the world 'thought'...
Theres a reason Barca tried to appeal the joke red. No contact.
He pretty clearly kicks Anelka's trailing foot into his leg. No chance Anelka trips himself up there unless there's contact from Abidal. It's for sure not obvious but Abidal was a world class player who was very good at sneaky fouls.
Look mate I'm happy to bury the hatchet here and I see little use in relitigating 12 year old incidents - at this point I don't think I'm overly bitter but I just find it odd that there's this prerogative to justify the refereeing as opposed to just conceding that you were lucky. No one (sensible) holds it against you or anything - the vast majority of sides need some element of luck to win cup competitions and it's not like you were undeserving given the quality of that team. Just feels like you're fighting a battle just to fight it at this point.
I've not once attempted to justify the refereeing or some of the decisions. What I have done is correctly point out some of the shouts in that video were laughable and Barca also had bad refereeing decisions over two legs. I still find it odd people up the penalty count 12 years on and ignore Chelsea received luck as did Barca.
But your right no need to discuss this further and you're spot on that every side usually requires luck in cup competitions.
Fair enough and I apologise if I've confused you with others in this thread and/or if I've painted you all with an overly wide brush!
I do agree for the record that this notion that we should have had 5 or 6 penalties to be over the top. For me the absolute stonewall ones are the Pique and Eto'o handballs - the rest are debatable but at least for me I don't think the penalty shouts you had come close to those two and are more in line with the Abidal on Drogba one, if that makes sense.
Regardless, hope you have a great evening and congrats on the CdR win!
Thanks, hopefully we add the league as well.
Good luck against Madrid in the SFs.
Glad to have you on our side mate!Thanks, hopefully we add the league as well.
Good luck against Madrid in the SFs.
If Zidane wins the CL this year, is he in the conversation for the best manager of all time? I'm not saying that he is, but is he in the conversation?
No.
In the conversation for greatest Real Madrid manager of all time? yes.
And greatest UCL manager of all time too I guess.
No doubt. For all the posturing about domestic comps, Champions League is where it's at for the big clubs, and winning it is the top priority / aim / wish / obsession for Real, Barca, Atletico, Bayern, PSG, City, Juve, Liverpool, Chelsea, United, Inter etc. To be able to win it for an unprecedented 4th time at the helm would be an unbelievable achievement.
Still a long way though, Chelsea and PSG/City will not be pushovers.
The best players always ended up playing for the best teams even before Bosman
Yes
You certainly can get knockout out early, as United did this season.
I've said many times that the CL is easier to qualify for than the EC.
Again, even pre-Bosman, teams had 3 foreigners in their sides, eg the Milan side was very much associated with the Dutch trio.
On the balance of the 2 games, Barca was the side who clearly benefited from refereeing incompetence.
He would be in the conversation for 'best beginning of a managerial career.'
Yes he is. Obviously his career has been very much like Pep's(instant succes) and in the end you're judged by your trophies as a manager. I don't think he's the best ever if he wins the CL this year, but he has to be candidate. Not to mention that Madrid are still in the running to win La Liga as well.
Before Bosman you were only allowed 3 foreigners per team. The modern Real Madrid sides typically had only 3 SPANIARDS in their team
Pre-Bosman is not just the 80s, you’re talking 30-40 years of history. But this is still false (your contention that ‘the best players always went to the best sides), even if you look just at the 80s. Which European clubs did Zico, Socrates, Falcão and Éder go to? Passarella, Kempes and Ardiles? All amongst the best players in the world in the 80s. Even Maradona after Barcelona went to Napoli. That simply wouldn’t happen today.
Look, I’m not questioning your knowledge of the modern game, I’m sure it’s extensive. But I respectfully submit that you have a lot to learn about historical/contextual differences. Football has changed a lot, and just blithely saying that it was much easier in the past to accomplish certain things doesn’t hold water.
The competition didnt exist until the 1950s