It would get boring fast.
European Super League
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Like what? If the national FA's ban them from playing in anything but an SL then what exactly do they get?
I'm also not sure why people all of a sudden are really concerned about what happens to the smaller clubs. No one gave a shit when Bury went to the wall or Bolton almost did. Now everyone's up in arms about more money coming into the football pyramid
Sure the sports people will want to compete, but will the money men want to? There's a suspicion amongst the fans that the Glazers only reinvest in the team when the team misses out on CL and that sweet money.
For United fans, there is absolutely zero assurances that we'd not end up a middling team in the so-called Super League, with the Glazers taking all the money and stuffing the pockets.
That was also a short-term interest that faded after a couple of seasons because (a) too many games eventually diluted interest, and, (b) it relied on the high stakes of the two best teams in the world clashing. Neither team are in the same boat anymore so a spate of clashes would not generate the same level of enthusiasm. Where are the stakes when top 8 guarantees a knockout game and there’s no relegation?
One of the regular criticisms foreign players (and most fans) in Scotland make of our game is the dullness of clubs meeting each other so frequently. Throw in higher frequency of meetings with very little stakes and you end up with one of the least watchable concepts around.
Yeah he supports West Ham, somehowIs this real?
The point is to give everyone equal opportunities to establish themselves as elite. Why can't Midtjylland get elite? Why can't Lincoln Red Imps get elite, or Brighton, or Southampton for that matter? Why are Arsenal and Spurs invited, while Ajax is not? Why should the best be set in stone, and every good player just joins them? It is disgusting to me that people believe some of the clubs should be privileged.
You're probably right.
Not true
Exactly Leeds are not going to make easy on us this weeke just because they are safe and have no chance of reaching a European spot.
It's a closed shop. A lot of teams just freewheel through the season. That is what makes the European leagues so good, that everybody can have their chance to play in the top league and clubs that don't perform well enough, suffer the consequences
They're a wreck of a club.
There was outrage, but it was muted as to be fair no one actually believed it would happen. I think most of us are still holding out hope its all a ploy, but it looks far too advanced now.
Football hasn't been equal for decades, and if any of those clubs were going to become elite, they would have done so already. The CL has been going for decades, guess who keeps winning it?
Because it's not every week. You might have a "big" game every 4-6 weeks at the moment. If it is literally every single week it will burn out, interest won't be as high, fans won't care about missing one.
Not exactly my point. Say 8 matches left and City are gone with the league. What would United, Chelsea, etc. compete for? Play the youngsters and focus on Super League. You have no incentive to play your star players and risk injury. With a Champ League qualification, you still have those teams competing for something and players are pushing for something.
It does happen. In the sense that clubs must qualify for the tournament to be eligible to actually enter. Today Arsenal and Tottenham have a god given right to participate every year despite league performance.
If the big money and prestige is in the Super League, it will affect the priority of the domestic league as a product. There are so many games with the suggested 10 team divisions + cup play that there won't be space for the domestic cups on top of the domestic league.
Financial disparities between the "big 12" and the leagues will be enormous.
It's not as simple as one competition replacing another.
This replaces tradition and a mode of competition through qualification that we've been used to since the inception of the game.
The truly upsetting thing is that no one asked for this. The fans didn't ask for this, and literally every official supporter group of the club has come out AGAINST this, strongly.
The driving forces behind this project are the American club owners that are introducing a American style of cup competition similar to the Stanley Cup and NBA playoffs.
Removing merit from competition ultimately renders the competition hollow.
Theatre of Dreams, just not the fan's dreams.
Just because you don’t give a shit about what happens to the football league or the clubs operating within it, doesn’t mean others are the same.
Why would you think that?
Take Bruno as an example. And that example is 5 years ago.
You are playing in Sampdoria on loan. Who the feck knows you're there?!
And you're gonna do what? Turn down a contract from Sporting because you believe in yourself and believe that you are Manchester United and SL material?
And you will run down your contract with Sampdoria on that belief? With your wife and kids waiting to be fed.
All of you seem to forget that not all football is played by the top 20 clubs. It's probably the best catch to feck them with.
I might be wrong, but seems a good shout.
Probably yes. The source of that nonsense mainly comes from what used to be the G14, here are the members until 2007: Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, Manchester United, Liverpool, Ajax, Milan, Juventus, Inter, Marseille, Lyon, Bayern, Porto, Valencia, Leverkusen, Inter, PSV and Arsenal, four teams joins after 2000. This lot has tried to create the super league in the early 2000s and they eventually created the ECA where they also tried/threaten to create a super league but the members of that super league always adapted to who was the big boy at the time because the only thing that matters is money.
I gave up trying to work my way through this thread about page 65. Is it Amazon who are going to show it, will it be part of their Prime package or separate. If United are out of CL, F.A. Cup and PL then no point in having BT or Sky Sports, if everybody cancels their subscriptions it will destroy football. The drop in TV income will be devastating.
It’s going to be funny watching players and managers dance around the subject from now to the end of the season. Imagine if the players who say representing their country is their proudest moments accept not being able to play at the Euro’s or WC.
What? So fans around the world watch United play Burnley but won’t watch United against Madrid because they played Barcelona 4 weeks earlier and we can’t possibly watch another big game. There’s so much potentially wrong with the ESL but the idea it isn’t going to be watched is shite.
It will, it sounds exciting at first, but it will soon wear off, especially if you keep losing.
How many "big games" are there in the league? 20% of them?
This new thing is supposed to be all big games. If every game is special, none of them are special.
Of course I will still watch but it'll certainly lose any novelty very quickly.
I think you're projecting way too much. You're presenting a much more selfish view of the footballing world than quite a few on here at least. Football isn't just about Man Utd to me or plenty of others.
United have still not tweeted.
Jesus, if you wanted a pat on the back because Manchester United has achieved things in the past I'm sure they could have come up with some kind of lifetime achievement trophy. Competitions have value because you have to win games to get into them and you have to win games to stay in them. Life is no fun if everything just gets handed to you on a plate.
There are no consequences, there is no relegation. There is continuous membership forever. You don't have to earn anything.
They posted the statement on their website without tweeting about it.
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...e-new-super-league-competition-18-april-2021#
Isn't that part of the problem. It is about fans round the world and feck the local fans who have been the base most of these clubs were built on.
Football is at its best when its about stakes/competition.
Loads of teams always put their feet up when there's nothing to play for at the end of the season.
If Fifa stick to the statement that any player who is in this can't play for their country its dead before it starts,
Yes, money is important, but missing out on world cups and so on, will have a major effect.
Yes, money is important, but missing out on world cups and so on, will have a major effect.
The fact that UEFA , FIFA, Premier league, FA and all these other football institutes are trying to take the morale high ground is nauseating,
Trying to use the greater good of football as a way to show why this is terrible whereby in reality they are just shit scared at the prospect of money being taken out of there fat pockets and but into someone else’s,
I am 100% against this btw and think it’s a travesty but it’s a bloody joke that these proven corrupt corporations are pretending like they haven’t been doing the same things for years, footballs principles and foundations died a long time ago and as usual the fans will pay the price for this greed.
Trying to use the greater good of football as a way to show why this is terrible whereby in reality they are just shit scared at the prospect of money being taken out of there fat pockets and but into someone else’s,
I am 100% against this btw and think it’s a travesty but it’s a bloody joke that these proven corrupt corporations are pretending like they haven’t been doing the same things for years, footballs principles and foundations died a long time ago and as usual the fans will pay the price for this greed.
For now....?
If this goes ahead and works, they've already said they'll invite teams. What's to stop them inviting a few teams each year and changing the format and ending up with a league system, just a European one (with founder members obviously exempt... you've got to have some perks for being one of the Judas 12).
That could end up with leagues (The Euro All-stars and the Euro Challengers). Could have one up, one down (caveated by original ones being exempt).
Sounds awful.
The Glazers will probably do it
Exactly, that is what I was getting at. The relegation battles are riveting stuff, the Championship playoff are riveting. Instead if you aren't in the playoffs you might as well just give up.
The entitlement in his posts is something else. Let's throw out at all forms of meritocracy and competitiveness principles to please these 15 founding clubs, shall we?
When Inter have finished bottom of this crap League 3 seasons in a row and are still in it then no, I don't think fans will really give a shit when United-Inter rolls around. These fixtures will not continue to have the same appeal as they do now with no relegation, with poor teams always having a spot. You'll have a couple of teams that excel and the rest of the games will be making up the numbers and have no real consequence to them.
From what I understand so far, this is what seems like the biggest issue.
Football does need a shakeup. An elite league competition does sound interesting.
However, having these 12(15?) Teams be there every year as founders with no risk of failing to qualify makes the whole thing sound like a bunch of friendlies.
How do you keep the desire to do well alive? What happens to the point of competition in domestic leagues?
We all know that won't happen. FIFA and the EPL will lose more than half their money if United, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool and Shitty will be kicked out.
There are other worries that I didn't think of:
- after a while, yeah, it gets kinda tiring seeing the same teams playing against each other (let's be honest, it's the same with the UCL) -- if they'll come up with some invitation system to also have a few small and medium sized clubs in there, it won't be that bad
- it should spread for quite a large period during the season because it will be quite awkward for fans to choose what game they watch if you have 3-4 of them in the same time (same issue the UCL now has)
In terms of morals, the big clubs organizing the ESL is the same shit as Uefa organizing the UCL, just that people are too reluctant to change, which is strange, considering the times we live in.
People need to sometimes just realize that UEFA pockets 500-600 mil yearly only from the Champions League. Of course any smart club owner would want UEFA to earn less or him to take it all.
I really don't know why people are surprised by such a proposition. We live in an age where even the most simple thing like taking a photo has been monetized.
I personally think that but what if the new generation of players want the money over the international caps?
It's always been huge in our lifetimes bit ten years from now, what if the games in the shitwank ESL are what kids dream of?