Scrubbing myself with sandpaper as we speakagreeing with him does make you want to take a long hot shower though, doesn't it!
European Super League
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What a stupid post.
He clearly doesn't care about the history and traditions of the club or the game of football. He's happy to pay to see superstar players and big name clubs guaranteed to play in an elite league every year that's not based on merit. The type of fan the ESL is targeting. He's not a 'legacy fan' like us.
you mean the CL or the SL?
i don't really see this argument that no one will care about winning the domestic leagues anymore. teams still try and win the league right now, despite the CL. why would it change? of course everyone is going to still want to win the league.
see above. also, people take the piss about competing for a top 4 position, and now it's being praised as making things more interesting? and the top 6 is a cash cow for the PL, they will lose money, sponsorship, tv rights, everything if they leave. the big 6 know this. they have the power.
i'm not even saying the SL is a good idea necessarily, but these arguments i don't think stand.
That's fair but they have a recent precedent of investing in both their teams.
Think that all was set up by The Sun but we need action
Is this any surprising? We are run by bankers with the only motivation being money, they do not care about the fans.
That was already diminished in the last two decades mate.
well those bastards hardly ever share anything with fans - unless they want something! Would be funny if the move caused United to hire someone other than Woodentop
That said while it's their fault im still on their side.
Use this as an opportunity to wrestle control back.
Government legislation for 50+1 rule might be the best option
Spoilt City fans fury over FFP something they've shown no regard to will never not be absolutely hilarious.
He's a football player. Not his fault the owners are like that. Any football player with a passion will be against this enclosed league. Although I don't think he would've released this statement had he still been at United, he still will have the same views. Stop being so negative.
Popular support doesn't make it wrong either.
The businesses operate in countries within the laws set by govts. Competition laws apply even to billionaire business owners.
As I weigh the rights of millions of fans against the rights of a few of those owners, clearly abusing their position of power in a game . I think we should set the rights of the fans as superior. If the owners don't like it they can sell up can't they? No one is forcing them to own these clubs and they knew the rules when they bought the clubs in the first place.
Or we can try to pretend that the imposition of radical permanent change without popular support within the game isn't dictatorship by an Oligarchy and call those who want it stopped fascists. The classic propaganda trick of accusing your opponent of being what you really are.
It is guesswork and we're speculating but Rangers and Celtic would want in. Maybe Cork City? I'm sure Everton, Newcastle and a few others would get involved for more money than the PL are currently offering. I think a breakaway is inevitable now to be honestBut just for arguments sake, what would a breakaway league look like? Who would be involved? Without the whole of the English football pryamid connected and involved it'll be just as hollow as the SL. I know you've shown not much care for every other club, but imagine our breakaway league was just the top 6 slugging it out with each other?
I wish we could know what's going to happen sooner to be honest, all the guesswork is exhausting. I just don't want league football in this country to be destroyed.
Well let's say we remain in the Premier League (most likely scenario). The divide between us, City, Chelsea ect and the rest of the league becomes ungodly. We develop super squads as our second string and then when it looks unlikely you will win the league then you basically stop trying. Awful scenario.
Let's say we get kicked out of the Premier League, awful for our history, our tradition, the health of English football and the health of hundreds of clubs throughout the country. Awful scenario.
Name a scenario that could come out of this that is more positive than the future of football we envisioned last week.
The government won't do anything IMO.
Who stands to lose the most in the ESL out of all the clubs?
PSG.
It's a moot point, I respect it if it comes from a player from say Lille or Nantes but from PSG? Who've cheated FFP year after year and taken a shortcut to a subscription on European finals?
It's absolute bollocks. If it weren't for teams like PSG we wouldn't be in this mess.
It was the start no doubt about that but what's going on right now is another fecking level of greed and shame.
All these posts bagging on Hererra and Neville for speaking up have a definite whiff of "Yet you participate in society, how curious..." about them.
I actually think it’s because of the big loss resulting from COVID market which helps to make this deal happening sooner rather than later. It’s big money involved there.
Who is going to breakaway and where?
to be fair there's some Russians, Italians and Spaniards involved.
I do think its funny that some people think this would be boring. Newsflash it wouldn't be at all.
I cant agree with this. This is acting as if they are happy with 400m. Theyll want to keep it increasing. Their investment of the buccaneers in this exact setup proves this. Their revenue stream will shrink with shitty tv deals if they just sit back.
We have known this FOR YEARS.
Have I woken up on a parallel Earth? Why are people so up in arms over this all of a sudden? Have we not been owned by the Glazers for years? Did we not know what they’re like?
Neville tweeting about socialism whilst working for Sky and never criticising the City owners. Herrera playing for PSG complaining about money ruining the game. People who openly campaigned for the Saudis to buy our club kicking off.
Have I gone utterly mad? Of course this is a shit decision but it’s the latest in a long list. If you wanted the Saudi’s to take over us, if you haven’t been up in arms about PSG or City ruining the game how on Earth is this the straw that broke the camels back?
I am surprised that Bayern and BVB really seem to stay away.
The last time Bayern seemed like one of the initiators.
The last time Bayern seemed like one of the initiators.
The biggest winners are Arsenal and Spurs. Never won anything 'european' and yet gets invited.
I had to genuinely think about that and I don't think I do? The league has been shit since state funded clubs were allowed, and people could leverage debt against a club and buy it. I'm all for a shakeup at this point. The playing field has been unlevel for a long time now.
Negative? Do you think this thread is a bastion of positivity?
Adam Crafton: "Agnelli called proposed CL reforms beautiful last month. Was chair of ECA. UEFA President Ceferin is godfather to his daughter and he's betrayed them all"
It is but after the last few decades I don't really care as much as I've lost my connection to football or our club. I'm still a fan but I just cant really get angry with this because football became business-centric long ago and I'm over it and just take it for what it is now.
Any breakaway English or British league would have the exact same negatives as the Super League. You'd need the majority to breakaway for it not to be a massively watered down version of what we've currently got.
Well done Porto, always thought they were a good club. Well done to others who have refused to take part also.
Isn't this proposed to start in 2022 season.
Says it all that it would provisonally start the same year as Qatar world cup bunged in halfway through the domestic season. Players thinking this season's schedule has been insane would have even more games to play in condensed period.
Says it all that it would provisonally start the same year as Qatar world cup bunged in halfway through the domestic season. Players thinking this season's schedule has been insane would have even more games to play in condensed period.
Like I have said, it isn't Herrara's fault the owners are like that is it? He's a football player with a passion, as we saw at United and I'm pretty sure if he was at Lille or Nantes he would not have a different view.
And English, Tottenham is owned by an English company
Isnt it because German clubs are part owned by fans, and they knew their fans would never entertain this
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Well your first scenario, we would still be competing against the other 4 SL teams in the PL so there is competition. We also have to buy players like Rice and Grealish and you can bet we'd get rinsed so they would have a feck tonne of cash to spend once they sold to us anyway. It's up to them what they do with that and if they can become successful off of that windfall.
Second scenario, the Premier League is a breakaway league, technically nothing before 92 counts anymore but we still count it. The new league would only do the exact same.