Tom Cato
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Scrubbing myself with sandpaper as we speakagreeing with him does make you want to take a long hot shower though, doesn't it!
Scrubbing myself with sandpaper as we speakagreeing with him does make you want to take a long hot shower though, doesn't it!
What a stupid post.The heavies need to go back to his house again
He clearly doesn't care about the history and traditions of the club or the game of football. He's happy to pay to see superstar players and big name clubs guaranteed to play in an elite league every year that's not based on merit. The type of fan the ESL is targeting. He's not a 'legacy fan' like us.Do you not feel any anger about this whatsoever
you mean the CL or the SL?And when they don’t and the super league 6 finish 1st, 2nd, 4th, 7th etc in the prem who qualifies for the champions league? 3rd and 5th?
or the super league teams won’t even put effort in the prem as there’s nothing to gain from it anyway, they’re already in the money SL and will be playing reserves and youth and finishing bottom half. I can’t make much sense of it
see above. also, people take the piss about competing for a top 4 position, and now it's being praised as making things more interesting? and the top 6 is a cash cow for the PL, they will lose money, sponsorship, tv rights, everything if they leave. the big 6 know this. they have the power.Even if they've all got far more money and little to play for given they'll be in super league regardless of premier league position?
Imagine how dull the last few seasons would have been without any top 4 race.
PL might decide it's better to boot the 6 teams and rebuild from there.
Ultimately the Super League kills domestic football as we currently know it and I can see it failing to get off the ground because of that.
There are way of creating a super league that would work, but not this plan with a closed shop.
That's fair but they have a recent precedent of investing in both their teams.Took them long enough.
Think that all was set up by The Sun but we need actionThe heavies need to go back to his house again
Is this any surprising? We are run by bankers with the only motivation being money, they do not care about the fans.
That was already diminished in the last two decades mate.He clearly doesn't care about the history and traditions of the club or the game of football. He's happy to pay to see superstar players and big name clubs guaranteed to play in an elite league every year. The type of fan the ESL is targeting. He's not a 'legacy fan' like us.
well those bastards hardly ever share anything with fans - unless they want something! Would be funny if the move caused United to hire someone other than WoodentopUtd are muddying their name even further with this tweet
That said while it's their fault im still on their side.Exactly, they let the fox in the henhouse very long ago.
Spoilt City fans fury over FFP something they've shown no regard to will never not be absolutely hilarious.There is something incredibly amusing about United fans (rightfully) condemning the SL considering at it's heart, it's got the identical goals of FFP: maximise revenue for a handful of clubs at the top, keep those top clubs at the top and stop anyone else from joining the party. There is no question that's what SL is for. There is no question that's what FFP was for. They are different approaches to the same end game.
He's a football player. Not his fault the owners are like that. Any football player with a passion will be against this enclosed league. Although I don't think he would've released this statement had he still been at United, he still will have the same views. Stop being so negative.never satisfied?
He plays for a club owned by a country with incredible disregard for competition. Give a shit what anyone who plays for PSG says about “sharing money out.”
Popular support doesn't make it wrong either.No I'm not, but just because something has popular support doesn't make it right to infringe on the rights of the choices of the owners. The tyranny of the majority is a thing to be wary of in a democracy and using popular support to get government to uphold a monopoly of the sport is facistic in the traditional sense.
It is guesswork and we're speculating but Rangers and Celtic would want in. Maybe Cork City? I'm sure Everton, Newcastle and a few others would get involved for more money than the PL are currently offering. I think a breakaway is inevitable now to be honestBut just for arguments sake, what would a breakaway league look like? Who would be involved? Without the whole of the English football pryamid connected and involved it'll be just as hollow as the SL. I know you've shown not much care for every other club, but imagine our breakaway league was just the top 6 slugging it out with each other?
I wish we could know what's going to happen sooner to be honest, all the guesswork is exhausting. I just don't want league football in this country to be destroyed.
Well let's say we remain in the Premier League (most likely scenario). The divide between us, City, Chelsea ect and the rest of the league becomes ungodly. We develop super squads as our second string and then when it looks unlikely you will win the league then you basically stop trying. Awful scenario.I'm simply saying anything could happen. Keep an open mind instead of jumping on one stance and going all in.
Let's say we get banned with the other teams from the PL. Are we really just not going to play domestic football? We'll form a breakaway league for sure.
I know this is all new and it's a lot of change but football is due something like this. Sky and the PL have had their way for 30 years.
The government won't do anything IMO.That said while it's their fault im still on their side.
Use this as an opportunity to wrestle control back.
Government legislation for 50+1 rule might be the best option
Who stands to lose the most in the ESL out of all the clubs?People like you are never satisfied. Always something to moan about.
Be happy he's taken a step, even if he does play for PSG. What he's said is completely right.
It was the start no doubt about that but what's going on right now is another fecking level of greed and shame.That was already diminished in the last two decades mate.
I actually think it’s because of the big loss resulting from COVID market which helps to make this deal happening sooner rather than later. It’s big money involved there.I might be done if this actually happens.
My support in the grand scheme of things is not worth anything but I wonder how many will feel the same.
We already have the CL and it was great playing and beating PSG whilst also beating Man City domestically.
Setting this up during Covid is Puzzling too.
Who is going to breakaway and where?It is guesswork and we're speculating but Rangers and Celtic would want in. Maybe Cork City? I'm sure Everton, Newcastle and a few others would get involved for more money than the PL are currently offering. I think a breakaway is inevitable now to be honest
to be fair there's some Russians, Italians and Spaniards involved.We should never have let Americans buy our football clubs. Now they are going destroy our football history.
I cant agree with this. This is acting as if they are happy with 400m. Theyll want to keep it increasing. Their investment of the buccaneers in this exact setup proves this. Their revenue stream will shrink with shitty tv deals if they just sit back.Tweet
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Ain't this the truth. We'd be a mid table team in 90% of the seasosns at best in a Super League.
Wanting a competition they we would never even aim to compete in couldn't be more pathetic.
We have known this FOR YEARS.Is this any surprising? We are run by bankers with the only motivation being money, they do not care about the fans.
I had to genuinely think about that and I don't think I do? The league has been shit since state funded clubs were allowed, and people could leverage debt against a club and buy it. I'm all for a shakeup at this point. The playing field has been unlevel for a long time now.Do you not feel any anger about this whatsoever
Negative? Do you think this thread is a bastion of positivity?He's a football player. Not his fault the owners are like that. Any football player with a passion will be against this enclosed league. Although I don't think he would've released this statement had he still been at United, he still will have the same views. Stop being so negative.
It is but after the last few decades I don't really care as much as I've lost my connection to football or our club. I'm still a fan but I just cant really get angry with this because football became business-centric long ago and I'm over it and just take it for what it is now.It was the start no doubt about that but what's going on right now is another fecking level of greed and shame.
Well done Porto, always thought they were a good club. Well done to others who have refused to take part also.Tweet
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Thank God we refused to join this farce
Brady was a free agent.Like when they recently invested (got Brady) in the Bucs and won the superbowl
Like I have said, it isn't Herrara's fault the owners are like that is it? He's a football player with a passion, as we saw at United and I'm pretty sure if he was at Lille or Nantes he would not have a different view.Who stands to lose the most in the ESL out of all the clubs?
PSG.
It's a moot point, I respect it if it comes from a player from say Lille or Nantes but from PSG? Who've cheated FFP year after year and taken a shortcut to a subscription on European finals?
It's absolute bollocks. If it weren't for teams like PSG we wouldn't be in this mess.
And English, Tottenham is owned by an English companyto be fair there's some Russians, Italians and Spaniards involved.
Isnt it because German clubs are part owned by fans, and they knew their fans would never entertain thisI am surprised that Bayern and BVB really seem to stay away.
The last time Bayern seemed like one of the initiators.
Well your first scenario, we would still be competing against the other 4 SL teams in the PL so there is competition. We also have to buy players like Rice and Grealish and you can bet we'd get rinsed so they would have a feck tonne of cash to spend once they sold to us anyway. It's up to them what they do with that and if they can become successful off of that windfall.Well let's say we remain in the Premier League (most likely scenario). The divide between us, City, Chelsea ect and the rest of the league becomes ungodly. We develop super squads as our second string and then when it looks unlikely you will win the league then you basically stop trying. Awful scenario.
Let's say we get kicked out of the Premier League, awful for our history, our tradition, the health of English football and the health of hundreds of clubs throughout the country. Awful scenario.
Name a scenario that could come out of this that is more positive than the future of football we envisioned last week.