Judge Red
Don't Call Me Douglas
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A petty short term pro is that UEFA are about to show City what a real agenda looks like when they play PSG. Neymar will be winning penalties by diving in his own half.
This made me chuckle. I would fly all the way to Paris, just to see thisA petty short term pro is that UEFA are about to show City what a real agenda looks like when they play PSG. Neymar will be winning penalties by diving in his own half.
i don't agree, even the American franchises only play the odd game abroad.You’re mad. It will obviously become a travelling circus.
Of course they are not exactly the same, but my point is that they are both controversial at the time when they were proposed.The key differences being:
A) There was no European competition at the time, so the European Cup was filling a void in European football and further expanding a game that was rapidly gaining popularity. The World Cup had already been a thing for over two decades, and football bigwigs had been toying with the idea of similar competitions for clubs since the '30s as well, so it was only a matter of time until it happened regardless of opposition from national FAs.
and, most importantly...
B) Qualification for the European Cup came through winning a national league or by being reigning champions. There was no guaranteed entry for anyone. The Super League is basically mega clubs trying to guarantee themselves stacks upon stacks of TV rights money every year without having to work for it by meeting the entry criteria for the top competitions.
It's not the super league as such that't the problem. The CL isn't far away from that as it is.Why football is dead for some people because of Super League??
A full fledged league to determine who is the best in Europe; season long league standing is interesting as feck.
We can settle once and for all who is the best in Europe.
Are you a troll?Why football is dead for some people because of Super League??
A full fledged league to determine who is the best in Europe; season long league standing is interesting as feck.
We can settle once and for all who is the best in Europe.
Definitely not a good thing. You earn your record, you don't have it given to you. This is absolute horse sh*tChance for a fresh start on equal footing with Madrid, Liverpool, Bayern etc? Surely a good thing considering our pathetic record
I think he means the unpredictable and randomness or drawing one of the other big Europeans giants in a champions league group or knock out tie. As you don't play them often it has an allure and teams don't really know how to set up tactically against each other where as EPL sides know each other inside out and you get quite a few bore draws. Playing them so frequently will just become another habitual event. The premier league teams also share a history and rivalry which makes them firey as well as home bragging rights. None of that will be apparent by playing Barcelona 2-4 times EVERY seasonYeah playing Liverpool every season has lost it’s charm, same for the derby or games vs. Chelsea.
What the feck are you on about? Big games are always exciting.
It is am imitation of the NBA league which finishes with a play off and some teams guaranteed participationIn theory it sounds like a very attractive competition but it loses it's appeal if those teams aren't competing in their national league as well, and the format requires some tinkering. As it stands is something very Americanized designed in a way to maximize profits but the competitiveness is compromised so I'd rather they make it just a league without the playoff-like tournament they intend to.
of course they will.Do you expect people to go to games in Europe every week?
you get bore draws in the PL because small teams sit back and defend against the best teams, because that's their only chance of getting anything out of the game.I think he means the unpredictable and randomness or drawing one of the other big Europeans giants in a champions league group or knock out tie. As you don't play them often it has an allure and teams don't really know how to set up tactically against each other where as EPL sides know each other inside out and you get quite a few bore draws. Playing them so frequently will just become another habitual event. The premier league teams also share a history and rivalry which makes them firey as well as home bragging rights. None of that will be apparent by playing Barcelona 2-4 times EVERY season
I'd love that, yeah, but not sure how it's possible to enforce at this point. Germany started from a different point: private investment was completely outlawed until 1998 and this was the compromise.For example if the UK, Spanish and Italian governments were to step in and impose a German style 50+1 ownership structure to the clubs. Unbridled capitalism is taking football to the brink because the clubs' owners are responding to shareholder interests instead of fan interests. I'm not a lawyer though, so don't know if that (or something similar in spirit) is technically/legally possible, and what relevant body could force the issue. For UEFA to have any teeth, it will need government help at some level I think.
Why football is dead for some people because of Super League??
A full fledged league to determine who is the best in Europe; season long league standing is interesting as feck.
We can settle once and for all who is the best in Europe.
And do it all again the next year. With the same teams. And no relegation so most of the games after halfway will be dead-rubbers. Apart from a handful of games at the end, it'll be worse than the CL is now.Why football is dead for some people because of Super League??
A full fledged league to determine who is the best in Europe; season long league standing is interesting as feck.
We can settle once and for all who is the best in Europe.
With high profile transfers, bringing the best of the best players to Italian league, Premier league and Spanish league. It'll be big.And do it all again the next year. With the same teams. And no relegation so most of the games after halfway will be dead-rubbers. Apart from a handful of games at the end, it'll be worse than the CL is now.
ThisPro: Liverpool and MUFC supporters fighting together for the same cause.
Con: Everything Else.
All the UCL Champions if the Super League founders had their UCL titles taken away.Keep this in mind: the ONLY reason why so many of the big clubs want a Super League is having much, much money, and NOW. The likes of Agnelli don't care about competitivity, don't care about the health and popularity of the sport in the long term, don't care about winning, don't care even if any of their clubs finish in last place! All they want is the money they will get now from having the wealthiest and most popular teams playing against each other in every week. It's 100% business and short term maximization of monetary gain. Their mentality is like being a president of company and rob it to the point that it will face bankruptcy after you're gone, but you don't care because you're gone.
Simply participating in the Super League will give any clubs in it over 300 millions, even winning the Champions League doesn't give you that much money. And with SO much money, anyone who participates will be able to strengthen their squads even more and make the financial gap even bigger than it already is!
So, the Super League is repugnant because of the fixed spots that many clubs will have.
Also, the Super League can't be as sucessful as the NBA and NFL because football is structured at its core in a drastically different way to american sports. The american sports have many mechanisms that keep the unequality between teams of growing as big as it is becoming in football, specially after Bosman happened.
Not comparable in my opinion. Only 42% of the country has a passport. They’re insular and protectionist.i don't agree, even the American franchises only play the odd game abroad.
How's that any different to what we have now? Real and Barca will have the pick of the best players, because that's the best place to live. Foreign players won't be coming to Manchester or Liverpool if they can live there.With high profile transfers, bringing the best of the best players to Italian league, Premier league and Spanish league. It'll be big.
“My girlfriend has Herpes so I may as well Fcuk her friend who has ghonnorea”This is seen as a disaster while Qatar WC is okey as long as we print some shirts with human rights.
I dont like Super league, but FIFA and UEFA had this shit coming.
Feck 'em
It won't destroy the game, it will just change it a bit. But in the grand scheme of things, it will not change anything.Of course there are pro’s, it would be the most elite club sporting competition ever. It’ll be spectacular, frankly.
The con is that it pisses all over our football structure and everything fair competition should stand for. It should never be a closed league.
Let’s be real, the league itself will be absolutely mint, absolutely no doubt about it imo. But it’s not worth destroying our game over, if the proposals go through it’d be a dark day in football history.
Is it though? Without the threat of relegation, or consequences for playing badly, there are going to be so many dead rubber games where it literally doesn't matter if either team playing wins loses or draws - glorified exhibition games for the excitement of no one.It won't destroy the game, it will just change it a bit. But in the grand scheme of things, it will not change anything.
Yes, some clubs who might have qualified in a fairer system, won't get qualified there. But more than 99% of the European clubs (I would go as far as saying more than 99.9%) do not have a hope in hell to ever qualify for UCL anyway. Yeah, Leicester might be there once instead of now twice, but most of the clubs are not even in the league system.
I agree with you that the league is going to be spectacular. I would have preferred a relegation system, with two groups of European League 1 where the relegated teams go (and the relegated teams from European League 1 are replaced by teams who do well in national competitions).
But, it is not the end of football as we know it. For most clubs, nothing will change. For some like West Ham, the only thing that will change is the illusion of qualifying for UCL, but that was an illusion all along. And for some like United, the threat of not being able to qualify for UCL will be gone.