European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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Barca won't. Barca need this financially because they are a horribly run business. It's Barca, Madrid, Juve and the American owned English clubs (more so United and Liverpool) who are responsible.
Even if it won't stop it completely straight away 2 clubs saying feck it off is a start at least
 
They'll request their replicas back from the club museums. But, yeah, I take your point.

However, it may be the only card UEFA have left to play.

Jesus if that's a card they were considering playing to try to stop this, then they've already lost.

I hate the whole idea of this but all these clubs have crossed the rubicon. I don't think there's any going back now, UEFA and the FA's will sadly cave as they always do.
 
When City have more morals than us. Christ.
Hardly. They have money and will be free to spend them now. The oil clubs don't need the cash injection and can use this as a way to bump their CL numbers.
 
If Chelsea and City pull out then it doesn't happen, the rest of the clubs will buckle at that point.
 
Is Klopp thick? Why is he attacking Gary Neville? Did he really say Neville followed the money by playing for more than a decade for Man United? Huh?

How disappointing. I thought he'd be one of the few managers who'd stand up to this. Instead he's out there attacking someone who probably hates this Super League thing as much as he does.

Is the sky blue? He is one dumb motherfecker, really comes across as a grade A imbecile.
 
Pretty sure they said contracts are signed. It really does seem too far gone. Hope not but theres a weird PR exercise over Chelsea and City at the minute with this reluctant participants nonsense.

Think it's just wishful thinking from some journos who've had their collective tongues up City and Chelsea's rings for far too long.
 
Imagine City and Liverpool pull out, we have to watch them fighting for the Premier League while United carry on with the Super League bullshit.
It’ll likely be City and Chelsea mate, the glazers and FSG colluded on project big picture. Absolutely no reason to think this isn’t being driven and pioneered by them.
 
If Chelsea and City pull out then it doesn't happen, the rest of the clubs will buckle at that point.

I highly doubt that.

You'd need one of the driving/leading clubs to pull to incite a buckle.

By all accounts, City/Chelsea were reluctant to join.

One of Real, United, Arsenal, Liverpool or Juventus need to pull out. But it won't happen. Those 5 clubs want it the most.
 
Everything about this smacks of it being data driven, the Americans involved will have done intensive market research in to why and how this can work. What issues are at the forefront of fans minds and champion themselves as saviours by enacting those changes I.e microphones on refs.

The stuff on young fans shorter games it all points one way. They’ve been thoroughly planning this out for a long while. When FSG came in their approach was to be innovative and use data to exploit gaps in the market and bridge relative financial disparity.
It’s sickening they’ve decided to then use that same approach to close competition and maximise their own profits and revenues.
It is sickening and the way it has come out to the public screams of arrogance. They know they can’t be punished. As someone mentioned, look at how Man City won their court case last season it was that simple. These clubs have done their research before committing to that ludicrous contract.
 


This should all be noted.


It might play great in Spain, but Perez just ensured that tomorrow the fire and fury in England is going to redouble. He sounds like a crazy old bastard who is willing to change any aspect of the game as long as the clubs make more money.

As a PR response to the UK government and opposition speaking out already against his plans, it's probably the stupidest thing he could have done.
 
Yeah no way we're one of the two. This is a dream coming true for the Glazers. Ton of money ? Check. No expectations or worrying about top 4 anymore ? Check. The Glazers will support Perez to the extreme for it to go through.
We'll end up with some pig-me mini league made of 7 teams. Most depraved cnut's league. Madrid, United, Arsenal, Spurs, Inter, Milan and Barca.
 
The Glazers have never cared about what the team did or what trophies we won. They were just always worrying for losing money due to no qualifying to CL and this competition pretty much solves this problem for them.

They will move heaven and earth for this competition to go through.
 
I highly doubt that.

You'd need one of the driving/leading clubs to pull to incite a buckle.

By all accounts, City/Chelsea were reluctant to join.

One of Real, United, Arsenal, Liverpool or Juventus need to pull out. But it won't happen. Those 5 clubs want it the most.
It won’t be Arsenal. Kroenke sees this as a way out of mediocrity which is where Arsenal are right now.
 
Can someone post Perez's comments in his interview? Romano has tweeted it but I can't post media.
To summarise

- none of CL or EL semi finalists will be booted out the competition this season
- kids don't care about small teams so we don't care. Maybe games are too long for them to concentrate so we will maybe make the games shorter.
- contract of the super league is binding, so none of the original 12 can leave without breaking their contract.
- players cannot legally be banned from international tournaments
 
I highly doubt that.

You'd need one of the driving/leading clubs to pull to incite a buckle.

By all accounts, City/Chelsea were reluctant to join.

One of Real, United or Juventus need to pull out. But it won't happen.

If Chelsea & City pull out now, this is dead in the water. Bayern have already said no, PSG haven't signed on (and if they tried the French government will likely feck them anyway) and there aren't any other teams big enough to tilt the balance.

They played their cards and now it's all about momentum. Any big dropouts and it's done.
 
Even if it won't stop it completely straight away 2 clubs saying feck it off is a start at least

Every little helps. It's a fine balance - yes you have a lot of big clubs signed up, but you also have the likes of Bayern, PSG, Marseille, Dortmund, Porto, Benfica, Ajax, Roma, Napoli, Valencia not joining. If City and Chelsea were to pull out (and therefore re-join the latter camp), the balance starts tipping away from the so called "elite" and the Super League looks a less prestigious prospect than the current Champions League.

A Super League consisting of United, Arsenal, Real, Atletico, Milan, Barca, Inter and Spurs alone, doesn't look very "super".
 
I highly doubt that.

You'd need one of the driving/leading clubs to pull to incite a buckle.

By all accounts, City/Chelsea were reluctant to join.

One of Real, United, Arsenal, Liverpool or Juventus need to pull out. But it won't happen. Those 5 clubs want it the most.

They might do but if Bayern, PSG, Chelsea and City all decide to stay away then that's a big power base that has decided they don't want any involvement which will jeopardise any sense of monopoly the clubs in the ESL will want. That will cause doubts in those other clubs if the project will even succeed.
 
If Chelsea & City pull out now, this is dead in the water. Bayern have already said no, PSG haven't signed on (and if they tried the French government will likely feck them anyway) and there aren't any other teams big enough to tilt the balance.

They played their cards and now it's all about momentum. Any big dropouts and it's done.

I hope you're right, but I highly doubt City/Chelsea pulling out changes anything.
 
This stupid super league has already sucked the life out of me and it hasn't even started yet.

Weirdly it's been the opposite for me. I've found football in general a tad boring of late with mostly the oil-driven clubs leading the charge. At least this has caused some controversy that has ignited a bit of passion in the game.
 
It'll be a grim day if City and/or Liverpool show more balls than us and drop out and we desperately cling on to this boondoggle for the faint sniff of cash.

May need to re-evaluate some things then.
 
It might play great in Spain, but Perez just ensured that tomorrow the fire and fury in England is going to redouble. He sounds like a crazy old bastard who is willing to change any aspect of the game as long as the clubs make more money.

As a PR response to the UK government and opposition speaking out already against his plans, it's probably the stupidest thing he could have done.
Incidentally, I don't think any of them lot expected the gov to get involved. Yeah serious blowback was to be expected but not from Tories and Labour in unison. We could potentially end up with a Germany style ownership out of this shit show. Glazer's, Kroenke may have inadvertently seen themselves off. Hopefully.
 
Weirdly it's been the opposite for me. I've found football in general a tad boring of late with mostly the oil-driven clubs leading the charge. At least this has caused some controversy that has ignited a bit of passion in the game.

I think you're confusing passion with frustration :lol:
 
they are snakes who have conspired behind the backs and against the will of the people. However folks have let it happen. Anyone willing to 'listen' is as bad because they listen to a cheap sale. But nationalism is racist so they got people all tied up. Its all greed and evil for them to do this. Dont listen to liars. People need to learn. Of course capitalism is used to push communism or socialism. Capitalism is fine in a free open market but thats not what we have. We have a system in place to enslave. Government gave up right to make money for you interest free. So why do folks think they listen? This super league is a pig with lipstick on it. Its still a pig.
 
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Swap ‘Super’ for ‘Europa’ and it’s basically what you’ve spent the last three seasons doing anyway.

Well we've been in the CL 2 out of the last 3 years. Plus the Europa isn't that bad, you'll love it next year if Liverpool qualify.
 
If Chelsea & City pull out now, this is dead in the water. Bayern have already said no, PSG haven't signed on (and if they tried the French government will likely feck them anyway) and there aren't any other teams big enough to tilt the balance.

They played their cards and now it's all about momentum. Any big dropouts and it's done.

Even if it is, the idea is out there. If it gets binned now, it'll come back in one way or another within a year. No way football stays in its current format after what happened in the last 24 hours.
 
I think you're confusing passion with frustration :lol:

Maybe I'm just convinced that I can't see this happening.

I'm not frustrated by this by any means, this has been on the cards for a long while. It's all about whether or not it happens and what the ramifications could be. I find trying to what that out quite fascinating.