European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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Eriku

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I voted "YES" for the ESL because:

1. I'm sick of VAR, the lack of consistency of English referees. I'm honestly tired of being frustrated with the lack of accountability with refereeing

2. I lost interest in watching Manutd games against the likes of Granada, Burnley, Cyrstal Palace, etc. I find myself always scrolling through Instagram during these small team games. During big games against the likes of City, Liverpool and Chelsea, however, I'm fully emotionally invested. And I like that feeling. So hopefully the ESL can bring back my passion for football

3. I'm sick of paying multiple telecommunications hundreds of dollars per month for sports coverage. The ESL can solve this issue by having its own network or partnering up with leading streaming companies such as Netflix, Hulu, or Disney. I do not mind for paying affordable streaming services. Currently, I'm subscribed to Netflix and Disney.

From a football fan perspective that does not reside in UK, I don't see any downside to the ESL. I notice that is a lot of talk of "English Pyramid", "Coaches jobs", "Stadium infrastructures investment", "UK tv rights", etc. Not to be insensitive, but none of those are a concern to global football fans that just want to watch the best players compete against each other in a convenient platform at bargain prices.

The stuff that excites me most about football:

1. Watching the best team which also means best players and managers competing against each other

2. Transfer market. Imagine trading Bruno Fernandes for Harry Kane. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I think that is what us younger fans want to see. Shocking and exciting transfers. Changing team dynamics, etc

I think the ESL can provide an outstanding product. I will probably receive backlash for this post. But this is my geniune opinion, and I cannot wait for football to be exciting again. I want to be emotionally invested week in and week out, and that can only happen if the best players in terms of skills and branding are pitted against each other.
You don’t think the pyramid structure plays a significant part in cultivating the talent that you want to see?

Good lord, how can people be this oblivious? If you love a flower, go right ahead and cut it and bring it home with you. Then act surprised when it wilts quickly.
 

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Woodward is a fecking weasel, there is 0 chance he willingly takes any flak for this.
Next time he meets the players I hope Harry chins him.
The players and their agents will probably embrace him at helping them make more money than ever. That's the sad reality. Players could easily argue the move is a breach of contract as it would change the working conditions as per their contract. Instead of suing for that none of them will say anything and happily count their money. I don't think the players, who see themselves as employees, have the same passion as the fans on nearly any subject never mind one they stand to make even more money from.
 

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I don't get why it is illegal for the FA and UEFA to ban clubs and players from their own competitions. It's their competition, they make the rules surely? They ban whoever they like.

It's like Perez making the rules of the Super League up as he goes along, starting Madrid on 13 titles and all that crap.
with players it's probably worker's rights
 

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Anyone who falls for Perez' shite is an idiot, same for Ceferin (to a lesser extent as at least UEFA want actual competition), they're cut from the same cloth.
 

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What's annoying is in the short term this is a band aid for Madrid and Barca. English clubs are looking at this solving the 6 into 4 rat race but I'd like the English clubs to hold out and see the Spanish duopoly not get bailed again out and suffer the consequences and drop down a peg or two and compete honestly. For the likes of City and PSG, it's also not really in their interest to prop up Madrid and Barca.

If Uefa want to kill this, perhaps one way is to somehow offer 5th and 6th in England a way in
 

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Yep. Klopp has already accepted it.. this is definitely happening. Can't be stopped.

fecking shame. I hope we continue in the Premier league at least.. something to watch.. I dont think I'll be watching the glorified pre season Emirates cup or whatever the feck they want to name it.
Don't understand that take. There's not much he can do or say at this point. He stated his dislike pretty clearly and can't openly shit on the owners now, can he? He doesn't hold the cards and he (and us) have yet how the whole shit-show is going to unfold. There's still ample time for him and others jump the ship.
 

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Im all for this but when smaller clubs voted against 5 subs so the players from bigger clubs are putting their health at risk, it shines a different light in self interest
Or the smaller teams don't have squads as large/good as the bigger clubs and were looking to keep things equal rather than wanting to put health at risk.

Everyone pulling out some bullshit "...yeah but this person/team once said/did X" is pissing me off. We're talking about the game being ruined for everyone.
 

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Argument was whether it is legal to kick them out which despite my limited understanding, doesn't look likely. Morally and Ethically it is wrong and we can all agree on that but i am hopeful certain compromises which benefits the league as a whole can be reached.
It won’t be kicking them out, it will be those teams choosing to join another organisation imo. One that is not regulated by fifa or uefa. A team can’t be in two leagues, it makes no sense
 

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More PR. Every club knew what was going to happen. This is just face saving measure to blame the select few. After all the English press is already decided who the bigger culprit is and who was the saviour of Englisg football.
True. If the other clubs start pulling out, let’s say a City (which doesn’t really need to be in this outside of wanting to be part of the club), and this collapses, I feel like United will, deservedly so, look so bad.
 

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Aplogies if this has been discussed before, but would the members of Real and / or Barca be able to overthrow the decision of their management?
 

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Or the smaller teams don't have squads as large/good as the bigger clubs and were looking to keep things equal rather than wanting to put health at risk.
But the top clubs players play more games and the extra subs would have been held back in case of injury late in games.
It wasnt abused in the CL or EL. Hell we saw it after the restart last season Smaller teams werent overrun by bigger squads.
Playing the oh we are just trying to hold our own card was cynical.
 

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I still don't understand how spurs are deemed worthy of being in this super league, they haven't won a single trophy for god knows how long and have barely been in the champions league that much either. Same could be said for arsenal to an extent
 

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Imagine this

London Red Devils taking on the`
Fantastic. Hope others follow suit.
All the other 14 EPL clubs should have released coordinated statements at the same time written the same and hopefully the shit 6 will be hit severely with sanctions when they meet today
 

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So it was Liverpool and the Glazers who were behind it.


 
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I still don't understand how spurs are deemed worthy of being in this super league, they haven't won a single trophy for god knows how long and have barely been in the champions league that much either. Same could be said for arsenal to an extent
They're the whipping boys so the big clubs know they won't finish bottom and be embarrassed.

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having slept on it, I think ive become numb to it now. this is the free market in action. clubs can form whatever competition they like and invite who they want. (there was a time when football league entry was invite only, and to an extent with their requirements etc it still is). if the fans dont like it, then we walk away, like I will.

seeing politicians rush into making comment / organising meetings etc, winds me up more. Where's the proper regulation of the energy market? (the poorest paying way more for their utilities through pay meters etc). Same could be said for banking with interest rates for the poor etc, but thats all allowed because its a free market. why's football any different. The football industry has been about the £ over the glory since it turned professional. Listening to Harry Redknapp on the radio eulogising about the good old days, when it wasnt about the money etc made me sick in my mouth. They didnt ask him if having secret off shore bank accounts in the name of his dog was all about sporting integrity....
 

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The players and their agents will probably embrace him at helping them make more money than ever. That's the sad reality. Players could easily argue the move is a breach of contract as it would change the working conditions as per their contract. Instead of suing for that none of them will say anything and happily count their money. I don't think the players, who see themselves as employees, have the same passion as the fans on nearly any subject never mind one they stand to make even more money from.
I'm sure if you privately asked players playing for the 6 clubs right now if they agreed with ESL, 99% of them would say no.
I wouldn't be so sure that not a single one of them won't break ranks.
 

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I read here (Germany) yesterday that both Bayern and Dortmund were in fact in favour.

What Rummenigge says I can believe though and someone else said that this has all come about because the likes of Barca and Real are so massively indebted that this will solve their short term financial issues in one fell swoop.

What football needs is a salary cap to start with. Messi's contract alone shows us that.
 

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I still don't understand how spurs are deemed worthy of being in this super league, they haven't won a single trophy for god knows how long and have barely been in the champions league that much either. Same could be said for arsenal to an extent
If you are making a league of the 15 richest clubs in Europe, Spurs and Arsenal are in it.
 

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Man I’m 28 and I’m just like....am I really that old? Is this really what the generation below me wants?

It just sounds like these people don’t actually enjoy football, and are trying to turn the beautiful game into some more appealing to themselves. It’s disgusting.
My kid is ten and lives football, will happily sit and watch full united Games against Burnley or whoever, watches football reels from theb80’s 90’s with me, loves the competiveness and plays football himself. The difference to when I was young is he watches far more live games and not just highlights like I had to wait for and far more clued up on foreign players due to YouTube and PlayStation fifa. The excuse that it’s being done because young people don’t like it is bollocks imo.

you either like football or you don’t, this is just going after the fans that don’t like it but watch it sometimes, a bit like boxing ‘fans’ only watching a Joshua fight.
 
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This exactly what I would want to. In what world spending 400m in one window is considered sustainable.

But they actually don't say that they wont join. It's more like it may not solve the problem but we need to acknowledge that there is a problem.
Glad that he also highlights the fact that agents and players salaries are a part of the problem.

Same TV money and a £150k/wk salary cap and I doubt clubs would have made big losses, even with CV19.

I'm sure I could live on £150k/wk if I was careful.