Well a lot of clubs hit the wall in how much they can increase their income so I understand why they want this (Italian clubs and Barca once they lose Messi) but clearly this is from Perez + US owners of PL clubs who have different ideas about sports. And to some extent I can't blame them. They need £600m income for £15m profit. That's absolutely ridiculous but maybe instead they should have worked towards wages limit because let's be honest 95% of players are idiots, no chance they could get a job where they earn even 2-3% of their current wages.
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I doubt that as it seems Woody and the Glaziers are apparently running the show. United pulls out and it’s all over, so yeah I hope they do.
Depends on how much of a functional psychopath he is
What happened to all the talk of kicking us out? Why offer the clubs a way back? Could it be, that without Real, Barca, United, Liverpool and Juve, your product (let’s be real that’s what the CL and EL are to UEFA) is worthless to TV and sponsors?
This is the same gutless UEFA that’s allowed City and PSG to circumvent FFP with ease and showed the world that in court, they couldn’t even enforce their own rules.
When is this meeting of the 14 other Premier League clubs?
I would highly doubt they would be sending reserve teams out, they dont do that in the champions league so why would they start in its replacement? The Super League would not be happy with that, as it would have an affect on the money coming in, so that would simply not happen. The goals for the players would be the same as they are when participating in the champions league, to win the competition. Teams and players are not suddenly going to not care or not want to win the league just because they are in a new european competition. The league will be just as important as ever. Teams that are not founder teams will want a piece of the pie if this does go ahead, so will do all they can on the field to qualify. People seem to skip past the fact that there are open spots for teams to qualify and participate in this competition.
Personally, I think if this does go ahead, we will see some rework to the openness of the competition to appease fans.
Hung out to dry how exactly ?!
I have no doubt that the Glazers are in contact with FSG. These are major franchise owners in the USA. They have to have held talks
When can you get there?
Joel Glazer and Perez are like dogs with a bone. They wont give this up and the others will gain confidence from that. The b*stards.
Yeah, City and Chelsea only joined because they didn't want to be left behind and also looks like Atleti don't like this much.
The Glazers have shown that public opinion isn’t something that will sway them, I can’t imagine any owners dealing with the amount of abuse they got from 2005-2012 and still being here but they are. If anyone blinks first it won’t be them.
Thing is, I can't really think of a realistic CL reform that would appease the Greed Gang. As long as the possibility to miss out on the competition exists, these bastards won't be satisfied.
I said it elsewhere but I'd have supported the ECA - the whole ECA, mind you! - coming up with a plan for its own European competition, where the participating clubs get ALL the TV and sponsorship money, with complete transparency and without the middlemen that is UEFA. But obviously that's not acceptable to the Glazers, Perez, and the other leeches because the revenue streams still aren't guaranteed.
Why? They're as big a driver of this as anyone. They're owned by Fenway Sports Group. This was their goal since buying them.
Of course if a U turn was made then we can forget this all happened and move on. It would be daft if the clubs made a U turn and they were still banned from CL/UEFA, that doesn't help the fans or the revenues.
Not everyone wants to win the CL. Just participating is enough for most
To start with it should be not a 36 team tournament. Present format is bloated already and the new format makes it even more boring. Maybe have more knockout matches before starting group matches to make the groups more competitive. ESL actually gets one thing correct that most want European football to be more competitive. If they didnt have founding member being permanent feature, this would be much more acceptable to all ( i mean more competitive games). After all, despite all the hue and cry, only Everton (in 2005) and Leicester ( after they won the league) made it to CL apart from the 6 who are part of ESL.
They need to find a balance and provide much shorter version of European cup competition. Also I want strict rule that no club is allowed infusion of capital from its owner if their turnover is beyond certain amount. For smaller clubs certain percentage of turnover can be allowed to be infused from owner but only for a certain period of time. This would have solved most of the problem clubs are facing already as the inflation due to super rich owners have made business unsustainable for clubs which rely only on their revenue.
Hopefully a system which rewards shrewd investment and academy of football club is proposed and accepted. This alongwith competitive European cup games would be my ideal choice.
Its blatant nonsense
Milner's 35 and has one year left on his contract, so he literally has nothing to lose by speaking his mind.
The people leading this have gone into hiding, are saying nothing and are letting the players and managers face the media.
It may well have been, but I think with the way their fans are, the way their manager is and their players already saying "they don't like this" they have a lot to lose, they are seen as the model of club ownership. The Glaziers and Woody are already hated by the majority of United fans.
I think City and Chelsea will go, I think the backlash from clubs going will prevent others from putting their name to it.
I say think, I mean hope.
I say think, I mean hope.
So you wish to consume Entertainment or Reality TV, not a Sport. Gotcha.
The fact that a fan can opine that the game isn't exciting enough but wants to artificially make the game more exciting by having more transfers is the reason why I stand by my opinion that the worst part of football is the "fans".
This is a never-ending cycle that will end in mid-season transfers being voted for by twitch stream viewers and players moving between teams like a fecking X-Factor phone-in. Us old-fashioned (34) sods must be so out of touch that we find the game exciting enough without the need to turn. I don't think we need to pander to children who have the attention spans of goldfish due to their unrelenting diet of YT, IG, and Twitch where you need to consume more and more, quicker and quicker. It is all very dystopian.
My advice would be, just watch e-sports mate.
Yeah but the tweet says it's execs who feel like they've been hung out to dry.
And to be fair, Florentino Pérez, chairman of the whole shoddy business, did ramble on about saving football.
As a United fan, I am fully on board with the other teams attempting to kick the top six out. The club as an institution should not suffer for the decisions of it’s owners in an ideal world, but if this is the only way for them and Woody to feel the consequences of their actions, then so be it. Let the club burn.
Im all for this but when smaller clubs voted against 5 subs so the players from bigger clubs are putting their health at risk, it shines a different light in self interest
We can move on but I certainly hope we wouldn't forget what happened. I would want reforms to be put in place. And by "reforms" I don't mean the sort the big six were looking for, I mean the sort that would stop them from pulling a stunt like this again.
And if they wanted to level further punishment at the clubs who created this shit show then that'd be fine by me too.
That is one of the things I find truly despicable.
So there’d be six teams hanging around in the league stinking the place out with their extra money and star players, not even having to qualify for anything while the others all battle it out for CL places, relying on these selfish 6 pricks not to field weakened teams against their rivals etc. it will make a mockery of the league and totally against the fair sporting principles of finishing to qualify for international tournaments. I can’t see anyway they could stay in the PL
You'd imagine they're the most likely, given the financial circumstances.
The deserve zero credit if they do however. All the teams that signed up for this should be equally ashamed.
"Oh feck - who is going to care about our shiny new stadium when our closest rivals are Leeds Utd"
Just yesterday he was saying there’s no way back and it’s war. Make UEFA follow through for once or have them admit that they’re absolutely powerless. I lost faith in UEFA completely after the City CAS case.
Same with the clubs in the Premier league threatening the likes of Liverpool and United, without these two teams in the league, the premier league loses TV money overnight.
Gone into hiding? Have they ever not been in hiding? They all sit silently in their massive mansions counting their billions and pulling the strings of the league. Abramovich is the only one who ever had a public facing persona, and that's only so Putin couldn't off him.
Your point? To let them make their own league?
Argument was whether it is legal to kick them out which despite my limited understanding, doesn't look likely. Morally and Ethically it is wrong and we can all agree on that but i am hopeful certain compromises which benefits the league as a whole can be reached.
Woodward is a fecking weasel, there is 0 chance he willingly takes any flak for this.
Next time he meets the players I hope Harry chins him.
I don't get why it is illegal for the FA and UEFA to ban clubs and players from their own competitions. It's their competition, they make the rules surely? They ban whoever they like.
It's like Perez making the rules of the Super League up as he goes along, starting Madrid on 13 titles and all that crap.
It's like Perez making the rules of the Super League up as he goes along, starting Madrid on 13 titles and all that crap.
Man I’m 28 and I’m just like....am I really that old? Is this really what the generation below me wants?
It just sounds like these people don’t actually enjoy football, and are trying to turn the beautiful game into some more appealing to themselves. It’s disgusting.
So will there be CL and EL football next season? Does top 4 matter? Also, what will happen to the big 6, will they be punished by the PL/UEFA/FIFA? So many questions so little answers