This is wrong, they do need to be licensed to play in the leagues. Rangers can’t just rock up in the premier league next year and say hi guys we fancied this league for a change.
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It's really not entitlement. It stink to high heavens but, let's not forget, the FA, PL, UEFA, FIFA are all greedy fecks aswell. This is just a fact, and it is likely that they won't kick the clubs out. As a United supporter, I hope I'm wrong. The owners may have just sparked something that will force them out. I hope they get pillaged by the associations and are forced to leave.
I just don't think they will as there is so much money in the ESL anyway and it could potentially get even bigger if they don't play domestic games.
Pathetic PR spin.
Oh it will need change in ownership structure too. I was going by the tweets of govt wanting to work on that. Long long shot of course.
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Are you trying to portray saving jobs as a questionable motive?
Because this could cost some very wealthy people a lot of money.
I know you want this desperately to happen but (sorry to spoil your party) the PL can and will survive without the TOP 6 for sure. There are tons of much smaller leagues around the world that are able to survive without a problem. As another poster said this would actually be quite exciting as 10 teams could probably win the PL after the exclusion. And after the failure of the SL in a couple of years the 6 teams will come back and start the journey back to the top from the lower leagues. This would be riveting stuff.. imagine the story lines.
Of course they won’t put their all Into it if nothings on the line, you’re being stupidly naive to think otherwise
Was loving Wolves Twitter page this morning...fair play to them! In all seriousness, there are millionaires out there that hate this and if it goes ahead the PL will be fine, at this rate I’d love to see a match up of Leicester, West Ham, Southampton Everton etc for the title
Why? The revenue would be less than they could probably get by talking some Saudi company into buying broadcasting rights for.
Why do they want to win the Champions League when everyone would just say it is a second rate competition anyway?
How does a super league get past competition and monopolies (not the game 
) laws?
) laws?If you are the politician that have the fans their football clubs back in their hands, that's a lot of guaranteed votes.
You are assuming. Why would you think they won't pull when it's such a global event ?
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Hoping City, Chelsea and Athletico back out ASAP. Then force the likes of Spurs to freak out. We unfortunately know the Glazers will be the last. We need the pressure to mount even more
And I certainly won’t be buying tickets or paying tv subs to watch United play Barca in this fake meaningless league as I would and have done to see them play Burnley
Wishful thinking. EPL clubs need the broadcast money to survive these days, and that would shrink significantly from what was currently on offer. If you even took one of Manchester United or Liverpool out they wouldn't offer as much, let alone with the other 4 gone too. Then they'll likely be looking to get in on the ESL action, so that would eat into what they're willing to pay...it would be a financial nuclear meltdown for pretty much every club without huge external backing.
The entire pyramid would collapse and there wouldn't be a league to come crawling back to. They know this, unfortunately, which is why they're pushing ahead with it. It's why owners like the Glazers should have never been allowed and stopped when we were protesting it. But, alas, most opposition fans were laughing into their Weetabixs about the prospect of Utd going tits up under the strain of the straddled debt. The same debt that has driven the Glazers to fatten their cash cow and take the club even further away from what football clubs are supposed to be. They exist in a grey area of business and community asset in this country, but in the US they're 'franchises' that are moved around at will. I have no problem with people investing in clubs to eventually make money, but the prospects of that return should have always been limited by what can be expected given the nature of the sport. This would have deterred people like the Glazers, who from day 1 when they wanted to break the collective TV deal set themselves against the nature of football.
I'm not accusing you of anything, I have no idea how you felt about all this back then, most likely you didn't really care, but many of us here feared something like this would become inevitable.
Also, kicking them out the league or deducting points would just push them further and they'd most likely set up a full league in direct opposition to national leagues without any financial support like they're currently offering. It also just punishes the fans and players, not the owners. They'd just sell the players and what's left of the club's off for scrap if the league didn't work out and they were then banned from everything else.
Despite the understandable anger around it, the solution will have to come from a level head and not teeth gnashing. Because, unfortunately, the footballing world does need these big clubs.
No I am being realistic and not getting carried away. I view footballers as normal human being and won't expect them to do something that you and I will never do. Their bank account is simply not something that should make a difference in how they are perceived. If you are accounting that then maybe you should look inwards rather than calling others thick. It's easy call others to do something and then call them selfish.
Most here work for morally ambiguous company and are well off than a huge percentage of population. It's unfair to expect them to come out against their employers. Same applies to footballers
Of course it's laughable, the PL won't exist if the top 6 aren't in it. There'd be no interest in it from worldwide supporters and the finances will collapse.
Those involved in the ESL will never be in danger of being relegated from their National Leagues in the current PL setup and it should be an extremely competitive league playing top matches all the time with a trophy or trophies at the end of it.
Personally I would like things to stay as they are but if it does change and the ESL happens then I'm all out a United supporter and will watch every match I can.
But thinking the top six can be ejected and things will carry on as before is equivalent to believing in Starmer's unicorns in the sunlit uplands.
I seriously question people's reading comprehension.
What I am saying is if the ESL turns around and says we'll create (net) more jobs, the government will change its tune.
Now this is not the case but don't delude yourselves into thinking Mr Serial Liar is in this out of pure altruism.
What kind of source is that
Its absolutely gutting that we'll never pull out of it, if it's to crumble it'll happen around us. Our owners are scum.
I was going to say that looks an extremely unreliable source but then I saw its bio says "sharing the most reliable transfer news on Twitter and debunking false rumours", in which case it must be true.
Why would the others not be on board with rule changes? The only motve here is greed. They'll obviously adjust the rules to "make it more exciting" and make room for more commercial revenue.
So the government is going to purchase United for billions, change its structure and presumably sell it for a loss?
Maybe points should be awarded for how many trophies won in the past, how much money the owners have and how many shirts they sold that year
Because when there’s nothing on the line why would they risk playing through injury or risking it in that fifty fifty tackle, there’s no relegation from it, there’s no having to do well to get into it. They’ll play for personal pride maybe
Come on man
Happy for you, and happy for the football fans around the world like you, you've all got what you've ever wanted. Real life FIFA.
It's not arrogance. It's a fact . Stop being emotional and think through this. Take a step back and stop overreacting. I too don't agree with the way it's implemented but there are lot of facts missing in that post. Being emotional won't take you anywhere. Be practical and find measures to stop it.
Competition and monopoly laws apply in a business sense rather than a sporting sense so I don't think they really apply.How does a super league get past competition and monopolies (not the game
It'll just be the case that the PL are still able to advertise their product and compete in the marketplace and whatever, even if their top clubs are Palace and Burnley.
Incidentally, when the ESL say the remaining 5 places will be open, is there anything stopping those open spaces being filled by teams from outside Europe in Club World Cup style?
Wouldn't they say the same about a rival Super League without most of the big clubs?
They're sacrifcing a huge cash injection by refusing to take part, though. Credit where it's due and all that.
I'm desperately hoping it all falls through but if Glazers remain in charge, it'll leave a stain on our club ... fingers crossed Govts and associations hit them with everything and it doesn't just fail but puts the kybosh on future ones.. they sell up and feck off back to America.
Gotta dream?
Amazing if true!
Legislation to limit club debt to 25% of turnover would end the glazers overnight.
I certainly don't think highly of Johnson, rest assured. But whatever his motives are, it's a good thing if he can stop this from happening.
He's well known as a journalist in politics circles. Sports journalists are the least reliable of the species in general so I would be interested in what he has to say.
I do think the longterm plan is for a World Super League.
Still my favorite Caf moment.