European Super League

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Inigo Montoya

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  • The 15 “founding clubs” of the Super League would share 32.5 per cent of these commercial revenues
  • A further 32.5 per cent would be distributed between all 20 participating teams, including the five sides invited to play in the competition each year
  • Twenty per cent of revenues would be allocated on “merit” or be dependent on performance in the competition
  • The final 15 per cent would be shared based on broadcast audience size
  • The competition winner would receive just 1.5 times more than the bottom side. By comparison, that ratio in Spain’s La Liga is closer to 3.5 times
  • Clubs will be also allowed to retain all revenues from gate receipts and club sponsorship deals
  • Super League clubs have committed to using only 55 per cent of their revenues on “sport spending”, such as player salaries, transfer and agent fees, according to people familiar with the terms
  • Super League clubs have also signed up to a “tax equalisation” clause so that “income tax on salaries shall be normalised and calculated at a rate of 45 per cent”, according to people with direct knowledge of the contracts
Nothing unusual there. Very similar to the NFL model
 

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Been thinking the same thing. To be honest I'm amazed they aren't supporting this, if it takes off the big 6 stand to make a monumental amount which would be even more lucrative for the UK economy.
Because it would be electoral suicide
 

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How exactly were City and PSG spending huge money despite zero global appeal ? How did Chelsea become front runners back in 2005? Think about this and you will answer your own question .
You start thinking about answering your own questions, firstly how you think the PL is not going to be effected by this
 

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This is ridiculous because this entire scenario is the Tory Party philosophy, now suddenly they want to restrict the market from doing what they actively encourage in other industries.
Sport needs to be competitive, that’s the point of it
 

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Missing out on the CL currently has financial impact on a team like Arsenal. Missing out multiple times even more so. Which leads to a situation where a player could easily opt for a team like Leicester over a team like Arsenal this summer, because they're currently a better side more likely to play in the CL.

An ESL kills that. Players will never opt for Leicester over Arsenal, because Arsenal are guaranteed more money and a permanent place in the most high profile competition.
Exactly. Arsenal are a global team and one of the reasons why PL is so popular. They are poor now but let's not undermine their contribution in making PL so popular back in 2000s. They have more fans globally than most of the PL teams and so they think they should be compensated more ? Because, they too deserve a good share of the money PL has been getting?

This all goes back to the money being split. Barca and Real has been dominating the TV money in Spain. Think the top EPL clubs also want something like that . The same applies to CL as well. They all think their contributions are undervalued and underpaid. The talks about 350M one time payment in ESL shows how much they are really worth and how much are they getting actually now.
 

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Been thinking the same thing. To be honest I'm amazed they aren't supporting this, if it takes off the big 6 stand to make a monumental amount which would be even more lucrative for the UK economy.
Exactly, it comes across fake in order to maintain votes & parity with the public. Unless they move to have fans being the majority owners in every football club, I don't trust the involvement of the government in opposing this tbh.
 

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Is there no manager of the sinister 6 who has the balls to come out and criticise it?

What's the worst that will happen? They get sacked from one million pound job and walk into another? The fans will back them every step of the way!

I will be extremely disappointed if Solskjaer doesn't criticise it this week. The man's career is defined by the Champion's League, for feck sake...



Is a big pay cheque worth being Woodward and the Glazer's public little bitch?
 

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Been thinking the same thing. To be honest I'm amazed they aren't supporting this, if it takes off the big 6 stand to make a monumental amount which would be even more lucrative for the UK economy.
The Premier League is one of the countries most successful global exports. You can offset any gains you think these 6 make in this new competition with the nosedive the PL will experience. It is too important a "product" for the country to let it fizzle out. And most of the profit these 6 will make will go into their owners pockets, not the UK economy.
 

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:lol: :( :lol: :(

Not sure where to go with this. On the one hand it's fecking hilarious. And on the other tragic. But if they are forced to pull out and pay some vulture capitalists billions of pounds, then the stated aim of "equaling the playing field" will be achieved I guess.
 

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Sport needs to be competitive, that’s the point of it
I'm not talking about the sports aspect. I'm talking about the intentions of the government not matching with their political philosophy.
It smells like they either have Party Members/Donors who stand to lose a lot of money if this goes through, or are only getting involved in order to maintain parity with voters in upcoming elections.
 
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Top players will want to play for the top clubs but I’m not convinced it’s at any cost. If there’s an international ban etc what are they going to do? At the end of the day Fernandes or Salah or Foden still have to live out the rest of their days in their country ( post career). The pressure of the public saying that they’ve sold out their countries could be damaging. Or the more idealistic side; they just might value playing for their countries rather higher than money.
Never mind people just saying things, there's always people who take things further.

This may be the owners decision but if the players do nothing, it won't be long before fans (of their clubs but especially the 'not invited' clubs) bombard their social media, the same players partners. You know there's always some head case that will take it further... I'm sure these players want to keep going out but what if you get a group of fans harassing you/your partner, even on holiday/abroad. Their lives wouldn't be much fun, may well be short lived but still... is it worth a bigger wage when you're already on good money? And that's on top of maybe coming from certain backgrounds, your family telling you it's shit, your principles AND no more international caps.

Personally, I hope we play Liverpool in 2 weeks and all 22 gently pass the ball about for 90 minutes, no tackles. Play headers and volleys, rabona passes, backheels, basically treat it like a training session. Then off.
 

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Taken off reddit. Full Bayern CEO interview

The full interview:

**Kalle Rummenigge, CEO of Bayern Munich and Agnelli's predecessor at the helm of the ECA: why did it come to this?**

"We had been talking about it for ten years and we always decided to keep the existing model. Then the coronavirus damaged all of European soccer, especially the big teams, which without fans at the stadium lost a lot. Some clubs thought it was therefore a good time to make a Super League. And a big mess was born...".

**The modalities are striking. President Ceferin had very harsh words against Agnelli, what do you think?**


"I am sorry that what happened happened, because they have always had a friendly relationship and have collaborated well. The important thing now is to resume a certain dialogue. My hope is to still find a solution, because the Superleague damages all European soccer. And we must avoid it."

**What is the solution?**


"The solution is to reduce costs. With the Superleague, clubs are trying to solve the problem of debts, which have gotten worse with the pandemic. But the way cannot be to cash in more and more and pay players and agents more and more. We need to cut back a little, not put more on the table. We've overspent: everyone, no one excluded. It's time to make soccer less arrogant".

**Is anticipating the Super Champions a possibility?**


"No, the 2024 one cannot be anticipated, because the marketing rights have been sold. The reforms are confirmed by 2024: on Friday, even Agnelli was in agreement".


**Doesn't a president who serves the contrary interests of the association he represents seem serious?**


"Unfortunately, I wanted to talk to him, but I couldn't get him on the phone. I don't know his motivations and without knowing them I don't want to criticize him. Maybe there is a motivation that I don't know: maybe I can talk to him and understand better".

**Are you surprised by the fact that Juve and AC Milan are joining the Super League as well as Inter?**


"There are rumors that Inter have big financial problems and maybe they think they can solve them this way. The revenue they are talking about for the Super League seems enormous, but I don't know if in the long run the problems will be solved. I don't believe it. You can't collect more and more money to compensate for expenses".

**Uefa has also made its mistakes, don't you think?**


"The market exploded in the year of Neymar, but we were already on the wrong path and it is not the fault of Uefa and Fifa. Now we have a great chance to find solutions to return to a more rational soccer. All companies in Italy, Japan, Germany or the USA think about reducing costs: only in soccer do they think they can solve everything by increasing revenues".


**Do you expect to play the Champions League in August without Real, Juventus and Liverpool?**

"I sincerely hope not, I find it hard to imagine. It is a damage, on this there is no debate: without twelve great teams the competition is damaged".

**Do you confirm that Bayern is not in the Super League?**


"We are not in because we don't want to be part of it. We are happy to play in the Bundesliga, a 'bread and butter' business, as the English say. We are happy to make the Champions League and we don't forget the responsibility to our fans, who are generally against such a reform. And we also feel a responsibility to soccer in general."

**With a billion in debt like Barcelona, is it more difficult to make certain choices?**


"We fortunately do not have these debts."

**Is the choice of English teams due to American ownership?**


"Yes, because in Europe you spend a lot and maybe you don't win. In the USA, the first thing they think about is earning money".

**Klopp, coach of Liverpool, is a historical enemy of the Super League.If he were to come to Bayern, it would be a symbolic blow, don't you think?**


"We have not yet decided on the coach, first we win the championship and then we decide what to do. Certainly he has spoken heavily against his society...".

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Bayern not being in or looking like they will be in it is helpful. That gives the CL some glamour still, PSG could also do this. If Chelsea and City grow a pair and pull out as they never really wanted to be apart of it. The Super League isn't going to look quite so super as half the teams are Ropey League ones.

Yeah, in the current pandemic, the UK is gonna waste 10B pounds in buying a few clubs, cause some people in the internet are unhappy.

Football is an entertainment, not something extremely important. If you get entertained, watch it, if not, watch something else. Simple as that.

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Yeah, cannot see the Government doing this. However, they could tax the life out of them. I think with Brexit the UK will have more levers to do something (although that is me guessing than knowing.)

We all know this is true. That is the sad thing about it.
 

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It is not fair to expect managers or players to come out individually and say something, yes they are wealthy, it is still their jobs on the line.

However, both players and managers are unionised.

Those respective unions should be making a statement on behalf of all affected.
 

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Do you somehow think this Super League fixes that problem in any way? Those same billionaire owners are the ones literally writing the rules for this new competition.
No it won't but this foul cry by UEFA or PL is just a skint attempt because they are losing their money and not exactly because of their love towards the game.
 

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I'm not talking about the sports aspect. I'm talking about the intentions of the government not matching with their political philosophy.
It smells like they either have Party Members/Donors who stand to lose a lot of money if this goes through, or are only getting involved in order to maintain parity with voters in upcoming elections.
Aren't all the other club owners in the football leagues rich folks too? Maybe even better connected (if less rich) in UK & Tories politics than Kroenke, Glazer etc? Their assets will instantly lose value if this goes through...
 

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I'm not talking about the sports aspect. I'm talking about the intentions of the government not matching with their political philosophy.
It smells like they either have Party Members/Donors who stand to lose a lot of money if this goes through, or are only getting involved in order to maintain parity with voters in upcoming elections.
Johnson is above all a populist. He championed brexit because he calculated it gave him more chance of winning elections.

The defender of the great game and national sport is all he sees, he thinks it will win him votes.

He's probably right.
 

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I didn't ask a question, I answered yours about the ability to close the gap and whether it was the same as we currently see.
No, you literally dodged the question. The system is already rigged and that was my point.
 

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Hate to bring more politics into it but it doesn't matter what they do, they will keep getting reelected.
This thread is all politics. There is no way around that. It's a political decision within a political climate that's been cultivated for decades. There is no context free vacuum here regarding only sport.
 

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This is ridiculous because this entire scenario is the Tory Party philosophy, now suddenly they want to restrict the market from doing what they actively encourage in other industries.
Not only this, but they were the same ones conveniently telling Rashford to keep politics and football separate when he was willing to do something that is literally their job
 

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There is no loyalty, traditions, respect any more. If Ole publicly comes out and says he doesn't agree with it then Woodward sacks him. Any player that disagrees with it can be sold. Woodward doesn't give a shit about Ole's history with the club or relationship with the fans, those things are just getting in the way of potential profit.

It is like those constantly shitting on Neville saying he was complicit in the Glazers owning the club because he didn't speak out. No he wasn't. He could have protested outside Old Trafford day and night and it wouldn't have made a difference. Individuals saying things doesn't stop these billionaire twats, it is going to take changes to the law.
 

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The Premier League is one of the countries most successful global exports. You can offset any gains you think these 6 make in this new competition with the nosedive the PL will experience. It is too important a "product" for the country to let it fizzle out. And most of the profit these 6 will make will go into their owners pockets, not the UK economy.
Mate that's pretty much what happens in every single industry within this capitalist system. We have a right-wing government, they are usually all about maximising the money at the top end. This would most certainly fit in with the way they approach every other industry.