European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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The Purley King

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I think the reports that Chelsea and City are the least committed make sense.
In terms of money - their owners haven't got into this to make money directly, but for prestige and branding.
In terms of dominance - they (esp City) have crazy dominance over established teams under the current system. If the money from the new SL materialises, then even Spurs can compete with them on an almost equal footing, and Roman/Mansour will have to put up a lot more cash to keep them ahead.
In terms of fan backlash - for City, I'm not sure how well-established they are in Asia and America yet. Might need a few more successful years to be able to sever all connections at home. This isn't a concern for the other clubs.
All 3 reasons apply to PSG too, and they're officially out.

It makes sense that Perez (club in debt) and Glazer (more money guaranteed, more competitive team with no extra spending) are the two leading men.
Agree with all of that.
Sickening, but not surprising that we are at the heart of this.
I think they have miscalculated though. 95% of fans (probably a higher percentage if you count match going fans only) are against this. What will it look like when 8,000 turn up on a Wednesday to watch Utd vs Milan?
Woodward and co have shown their true colours now, its shit or bust for them. They cannot possibly stay if this doesn't go ahead.
 

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I mean if you think about it Chelsea and City's owners aren't greedy capitalists out to make as much off the clubs as they can. This isn't to say our owners' motivations are pure or anything but it makes perfect sense that they'd be reluctant to overhaul a system to further a goal that has never been a priority.
The Super League statement is on both clubs official sites mate. Whether or not the intentions is to make money (it clearly is a part of it) they still agreed to join up. I can't believe anyone is naive enough to believe some random bullshit twitter narrative that they were bullied into joining.

Roman was one of the main voices calling for FFP let's not forget. They want their ticket onto the boat and to pull the ladder up behind them.
 

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Didn't say they got bullied. Said that they were cowards and signed up even though they weren't completely enamoured with it. Further, both are actually funded by private/national wealth that isn't reliant on bank debt. So them pulling out isn't out of the question if they think it hasn't got legs, especially as they are the two who could probably most easily swallow a fine for backing out. If they go and Bayern, Dortmund and PSG don't join. You're left with a league of 10.
No you didn't mate but the tweet that started all this implied it.
 

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Forgetting your personal preferences..

Who actually thinks the Super League idea will happen?

I can't tell. It seems a lot of effort to be a negotiation tactic. And contracts have been signed. But i can't see many clubs / players wanting to stick with it.
I think this was an exercise in introducing the idea, dip the toe and see what reception it gets.

Unfortunately, a lot of the resistance to it seems to be that it's not based on a meritocracy - teams can't get relegated. A lot less of the ire directed at it is based on the fact it's fecking over smaller clubs, travelling fans and the history of the clubs.

I dont think it will happen this time, but I think they know what they need to re-jig to try again in a few years.
 

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The Super League statement is on both clubs official sites mate. Whether or not the intentions is to make money (it clearly is a part of it) they still agreed to join up. I can't believe anyone is naive enough to believe some random bullshit twitter narrative that they were bullied into joining.

Roman was one of the main voices calling for FFP let's not forget. They want their ticket onto the boat and to pull the ladder up behind them.
Bullied is too far and I don't believe that for a minute, but I do think it's increasingly evident that Chelsea and City were not the driving forces behind this and therefore that we were more reluctant. Just look at which clubs are represented in the hierarchy of the SL - that's all the proof you need.
 

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Obviously his words are not all true, but it's hard to believe they didn't calculate all the backlash they are having right now. Anyone could've seen this.
Anyone that lives and is somewhat in touch with the UK football culture. The Yanks leading this are not.

They thought it'll be fans, networks and players at most, not governments and the EU. Also they banked on full greed from all top clubs but some clubs resisted for whatever reason.


You will be receiving an invoice in the post tomorrow for £15, 000 which will entitle you to own a tiny portion of Manchester United. Kindly pay immediately and please ignore all insults subsequently received from United fans for being a bloodsucking owner.
I can't tell if you want this club to stay owned by the Glazers just so you are proven right in the end.
 

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Question...

Forgetting your personal preferences..

Who actually thinks the Super League idea will happen?

I can't tell. It seems a lot of effort to be a negotiation tactic. And contracts have been signed. But i can't see many clubs / players wanting to stick with it.
I think it will happen.
 

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As announced by Bloomberg and confirmed by RMC Sport, UEFA is preparing a counterattack in the Super League. UEFA is working with investment fund to come up with new LOC that would have a starting budget of €4.5b but which could go up to €7b.
Here it is. Might as well end the thread here since this was the logical conclusion to it all.
 

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Bullied is too far and I don't believe that for a minute, but I do think it's increasingly evident that Chelsea and City were not the driving forces behind this and therefore that we were more reluctant. Just look at which clubs are represented in the hierarchy of the SL - that's all the proof you need.
Its PR nonsense. The media have been up both clubs ass for a long time. Your lot fecked over football like the rest of us. There are no degrees of blame.
 

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Question...

Forgetting your personal preferences..

Who actually thinks the Super League idea will happen?

I can't tell. It seems a lot of effort to be a negotiation tactic. And contracts have been signed. But i can't see many clubs / players wanting to stick with it.
Sadly I think it will happen in some form, the clubs have no way back at this point.

Ideally it would get squashed and all these owners run out of the English game by the government. But the most likely outcome is UEFA caving to a load of concessions and the CL gets dressed up as compromise version of the Super League these clubs want.
 

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Its PR nonsense. The media have been up both clubs ass for a long time. Your lot fecked over football like the rest of us. There are no degrees of blame.
I mean we're obviously fecking this up but personally at least I'd make a distinction between those doing all they can to push this and those who are accomplices. Perhaps I'm just splitting hairs though.
 

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Question...

Forgetting your personal preferences..

Who actually thinks the Super League idea will happen?

I can't tell. It seems a lot of effort to be a negotiation tactic. And contracts have been signed. But i can't see many clubs / players wanting to stick with it.
I don't think it will go ahead now.

Those involved couldn't have anticipated such a heavy backlash from the fans, players, even the Prime Minister. Reckon they'll get cold feet before long.
 

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I can't tell if you want this club to stay owned by the Glazers just so you are proven right in the end.

Can't remember the last owner of United liked by the fans. If the Glazers go someone else will replace them and it's not going to be someone chosen by the fans. United is an enormous club and will be owned by some rich powerful people who undoubtedly will be disliked.
 

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Bullied is too far and I don't believe that for a minute, but I do think it's increasingly evident that Chelsea and City were not the driving forces behind this and therefore that we were more reluctant. Just look at which clubs are represented in the hierarchy of the SL - that's all the proof you need.
That would have been obvious, it doesn't absolve them of any of the blame for signing up though.
 

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Because people have to get realistic, expelling the big six from the PL is not the answer,
But those six taking part in both the Super League and in the Premier League is untenable. That'd reduce the PL to nothing but a sad farce.
 

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Is it just me finding all these cnuts eating each other so fantastically entertaining? UEFA, FIFA, state PR clubs, Glaziers, FSG, PL, Sky...burn it all down! Genuinely starting to believe Joel is going to be driven out of town.
 

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Is it just me finding all these cnuts eating each other so fantastically entertaining? UEFA, FIFA, state PR clubs, Glaziers, FSG, PL, Sky...burn it all down! Genuinely starting to believe Joel is going to be driven out of town.
That would require him to be in town in the first place...
 

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Is it just me finding all these cnuts eating each other so fantastically entertaining? UEFA, FIFA, state PR clubs, Glaziers, FSG, PL, Sky...burn it all down! Genuinely starting to believe Joel is going to be driven out of town.
Bit harsh on Crystal Palace lol
 

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I just find it so pathetic from clubs like ourselves and Liverpool.

We have literally handed clubs like Barcelona a lifeline to stop them from going bankrupt and sold a huge amount of our respect to do so. In case it gets lost on anyone, Spanish clubs barely have 2 pennies to rub together and we have played the biggest roll in building a league that means that we are sustainable and yet because they asked nicely and sold the Glazers on bigger dividends we have thrown that all away.
Exactly this. The premier league is the most watched, and most commercially successful in the world. The rest of Europe know this and want a piece of the pie, and we've agreed to it like idiot's.
 

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tbf burning down the Glazers is what we've been doing for the past 150 years
 

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Question...

Forgetting your personal preferences..

Who actually thinks the Super League idea will happen?

I can't tell. It seems a lot of effort to be a negotiation tactic. And contracts have been signed. But i can't see many clubs / players wanting to stick with it.
On Sunday night I thought it was just posturing, given that the CL revamp talks were happening the very next day. I'd hoped it was just a bluff to throw a spanner in the works of the new CL format, but it looks to be much more than that. I think it will happen in some form, but I'd predict there will be a lot of compromise in its final form.

Surely if the players aren't on board as a whole, then it has to stop? I think as soon as top players start batting away the idea, it would spur a re-think. It doesn't work without the players, particularly the stars that they're banking on being the centrepiece.