"It is the rich that are losing money. That can't continue"
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...o-perez-insists-super-league-is-far-from-dead
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Florentino Pérez: The saviour of football.
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
I wouldn't hold my breath, Spanish duo are basically state run clubs in anything but in name. They are too big to fail and a way will always be found to avoid that scenario, legally or illegaly if there is no other option.
Your answer is like saying "I bring apples" to someone asking "what time is it?"
You start a game in Football Manager. You find out you don’t have the funds to the sign the players you want. You could probably sel players to fund or find other methods - but it’s easier to get an editor, create a league that guarantees you millions per season, then sign the player you want. It all makes sense to me.
*I haven’t played FM for years so I don’t know if this is possible
*I haven’t played FM for years so I don’t know if this is possible
Historically so, but given the post pandemic state of finances the world over, I cant see the spanish people being too enamoured with the state flinging money at Real and Barca to bail them out of their own self inflicted messes whilst slashing public spending? I live in hope anyway.
People want to make excuses for big clubs, they blame everyone and in particular PSG and City but that's BS. Just an example, Haaland, Marquinhos and Verratti were purchased for less than 60m, Madrid spent 140m on Rodrygo, Vinicius and Eder Militao. Which set of player was overpriced?
To add to this; a relevant question here would be who is creating this wage inflation in the first place? He's proposing to screw over the rest of football to solve a problem for RM that RM has created themselves, as much as anyone. Also, it's not a problem for football if RM can't sign Mbappe or Haaland. It's just a problem for RM.
No, I agree there are inherently difficult balances to be struck here. But one of them is between making the initial rounds interesting, and having a real risk of big clubs not making it to the KO round. No risk, no point. And having several good teams in the same group does make that stage more interesting (as United fans know all too well this season).
You don't really need the ESL to have a league phase? The new UEFA-proposed format also has one.
HERESYYYYYY!!!! How dare you.Any problem for real madrid is a problem for the world. The God-Emperor says so!
What, did PSG just sign Haaland for peanuts?
Amazing player, congratulations to their fans.
I mean they did sign Mbappe for £180m and Neymar for £200m.
Then have their spending limited for FFP violations.
Which is irrelevant, the question isn't whether PSG can purchase these players and PSG had to clear out their team and sell a lot of young players, they recouped north of 300m€. Madrid made different choices, they spent relatively big money on lots of players that weren't confirmed while PSG concentrated their spendings on Neymar and Mbappé.
If you look at the spending and income from transfers since 17/18 you will note that you have got some facts incorrect.
Real spending since 17/18 - 510m Euros and 453 Euros sold
PSG spending is 607m Euros and 290m Euros sold
So not only have PSG spent more but also got less in from transfers.
JPRouve, if I go to McDonalds and I omit that I ate burger, chips, nuggets and coke the conclusion is I just ate salad
No, they did not spent relatively big money, because that relatively implies that you have to compare with money made by sales and money spent by other clubs. Difference between purchases and sales at Madrid has been surpassed by several tens of clubs in Europe the last years. I do not know how PSG ranks in that table, but I very much doubt they are not among the top 5.
Which is again irrelevant, this isn't about what PSG can afford but what Real Madrid can afford. Real Madrid not being able to afford Haaland has nothing to do with PSG and everything to do with their own decisions unless we try to argue that they could match Dortmund's spending power.
Again that's irrelevant when you spend 115m on Hazard, you spent a big fee, how you generated it is irrelevant, you generated it and you were able to afford the big fee. It's a bit like trying to make the point that you didn't spend big on an iphone because you had to work full time to afford it. But in this case we have Real Madrid spending 1000€ on a bunch of Nokia 3210 and then crying that they couldn't afford an iphone.JPRouve, if I go to McDonalds and I omit that I ate burger, chips, nuggets and coke the conclusion is I just ate salad
No, they did not spent relatively big money, because that relatively implies that you have to compare with money made by sales and money spent by other clubs. Difference between purchases and sales at Madrid has been surpassed by several tens of clubs in Europe the last years. I do not know how PSG ranks in that table, but I very much doubt they are not among the top 5.
The point wasn't about PSG but the transfers in isolation, I put Haaland because Perez mentioned him. Haaland was purchased for 20m not a fee that Madrid can't pay and Dortmund/Salzburg asking price has nothing to do with PSG or City.What, did PSG just sign Haaland for peanuts?
Amazing player, congratulations to their fans.
What he needs to do is to create a Papi Perez Super Soccer League in the US. Shorten the length of matches for young people, force commentators to make new fancy words like 3peat or sick trick goal from thirty yard lane and make fixed matches with fixed outcomes once in a while, just like WWE where the league leader suddenly have to play against 23 men and the referee can do nothing about it. Then they go into the second place before another match called 'the revenge'.
Suits your plan better you greedy dickhead. When teams in Papi Perez Super Soccer League play, the world stops.
Suits your plan better you greedy dickhead. When teams in Papi Perez Super Soccer League play, the world stops.
So Perez admitted himself that the Super League is for money.
Smaller clubs have weaker players because they can't afford good players. No good players -> 2cant attract more good players. They have less money, so they spend less.
Real Madrid lost tons of money, like every other single club. Maybe then spend less too ?
Not getting Alaba would be a start. 30m signing fee, huge fee for Zahavi ( 8 digit ) and insane high wage considering its a pandemic.
When I earn less money , then I spend less too. That guy is pathetic.
When you agree to spend that money , then don't talk about being dead in 2024. Maybe pay less wages. People say they want to stay competitive so they need to buy players, match the wages , but it is still better than being financially " dead " or ? You can't want both every time.
Smaller clubs have weaker players because they can't afford good players. No good players -> 2cant attract more good players. They have less money, so they spend less.
Real Madrid lost tons of money, like every other single club. Maybe then spend less too ?
Not getting Alaba would be a start. 30m signing fee, huge fee for Zahavi ( 8 digit ) and insane high wage considering its a pandemic.
When I earn less money , then I spend less too. That guy is pathetic.
When you agree to spend that money , then don't talk about being dead in 2024. Maybe pay less wages. People say they want to stay competitive so they need to buy players, match the wages , but it is still better than being financially " dead " or ? You can't want both every time.
Tbf I couldn't give a feck about Madrid vs Barcelona game and know plenty of people who feel the same these days. It used to be massive, though.
Exactly, it used to be like that for sure. But that was when Ronaldo and Messi were at their prime and both playing in La Liga.
Won't somebody think of the rich?!
True, with Pep v Mou on top of that - this was the peak.
Looks like Real and Barca have seen a chance for them to get a lot of money out of the clubs who wan't out of the ESL contract. I wouldn't be surprised if the clubs who want out have to pay Real and Barca several hundred million pounds to destroy the contract. And I guess Glazers won't pay out of their own pocket, so it will come from the clubs account.
Real Madrid's squad includes Courtois (a fairly priced goalkeeper at 40m), Sergio Ramos (an expensive 27m transfer who has been at the club for 16 seasons), Varane (10m, 10 seasons) Marcelo (6.5m, 15 seasons), Mendy (50m), Militao (50m), Nacho (zero), Odri and Carvajal (6.5m buyback fee from initial sale, so 1.5m) in defense. In the midfield they have Luka Modric (fairly priced at 35m, Balon D'Or winner while at the club, still going), Toni Kroos (25-30m), Casemiro (10-20m or something it's kinda confusing), Valverde (5m) and Isco (slightly overpriced at 30m). In attack they have Benzema (quite expensive at 40m, has been at the club for over a decade now and is close to being a club legend), Asensio (4m), and Vinicius / Rodrygo (insanely overpriced at 45m).
Their net spend over the last 12 years (the Ronaldo summer) is 499m. I don't know how 12 years compares to other clubs, but an article from December 2019 says that the 10-year net spend of Real Madrid at the time was 9th overall, 75m higher than Bayern Munich, and below Arsenal, Juventus, Chelsea, AC Milan, Barcelona, Manchester United, PSG, and Manchester City. These purchases funded 4 Champions League titles. The club is currently defending a league title and in the semifinals of the Champions League, with Militao and Vinicius being star players in the CL and Clasicos, the most important games of the season so far.
Mistakes have been made and some players have been overpriced and some have been total flops, but Real Madrid has one of the best transfer records of the last decade. For every flop, I can find you one cheap guy and one fairly priced guy who helped the club win Champions League trophies, and another guy we sold for a stupid amount of money. With all due respect to Marquinhos and Verratti, they have won the exact amount of CLs for their club that Militao and Vinicius have won for theirs: zero.
If Real Madrid have been one of the most successful clubs of the last decade, and have spent less money than most of the top clubs, then what are the standards? They can't get a single big transfer wrong? They can't take any risks? They can't overpay now for what they believe is really underpaying in the future?
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Again the point is about being able to afford a player, it's not about whether Real Madrid bought well or if PSG could afford a player or not. Real Madrid could afford Haaland and Mbappé, they simply chose to do something else.
Well United v Liverpool would be the biggest or at least used to be after Madrid Barca.
The world certainly doesn't stop for Madrid vs Barca
He just reminds me of the Warren Buffet quote: “Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked.”
They have a huge wage bill and debts to service. In normal times, it seems like their revenue was just about enough to cover that and generate some profit.
With COVID, the drop in revenue means they’re operating at a loss (a point he kept making over and over).
They’re far from unique here. Transfer fees and wages are increasing faster than revenues for everyone. The solution should be regulating the transfer market or player wages, rather than looking for short term gains in revenue that might further inflate wages and transfer fees.
They have a huge wage bill and debts to service. In normal times, it seems like their revenue was just about enough to cover that and generate some profit.
With COVID, the drop in revenue means they’re operating at a loss (a point he kept making over and over).
They’re far from unique here. Transfer fees and wages are increasing faster than revenues for everyone. The solution should be regulating the transfer market or player wages, rather than looking for short term gains in revenue that might further inflate wages and transfer fees.
Perez and Real so desperately needed the SL. Barca are properly stuffed and all.
That's due to City having very few fans, United v Liverpool is a more valid comparison.
Uh? Have I missed something?
Everyone can afford a big fee granted they know the player is going to be total success or easily discard it in the opposite case, but as far as I know none of us count on a time machine yet. Also, when you buy lots of young players you are diversifying the risk, covering many positions and making an investment which can only be rated in many years to come. It is not one thing or the other, they cover different needs!And what kind of mobile phones are Militao, Rodrygo and Vinicius again? They are what? 19, 20 and 23 years old? How are you supposed to know if they are Nokias or fairly priced Huaweis? Vinicius was among the best players vs Atalanta and Liverpool and Militao was fantastic vs Liverpool as well.
If you base your points on sets of pre-selected data eventually you will be able to prove anything.
it's the derby apparently.
'A study done in 2017 calculated the viewership of the game in terms of broadcasting and attendance on the field, put the Manchester Derby as the most-watched game in the world. This match was broadcasted in 1 billion homes in 189 countries (there are 193 registered UN countries).'
I suspect it's become even more popular.
Perez has realised since the departure of CR7 that not many people care about Real v Barca anymore. its not the same as when Messi v Ronaldo were at peak and the games were very high quality.
The PL offers alot more interesting games. La Liga used to have 2 big games, Real v Barca and now its 0.
Whereas PL has increased in the number of big games.
The PL offers alot more interesting games. La Liga used to have 2 big games, Real v Barca and now its 0.
Whereas PL has increased in the number of big games.
That's his point: if you don't know whether they're iphones, don't pay them like they are
He's right too: the whole "the rich are losing money while the poor aren't" is disingenous to say the least. If the rich are losing money it's their own fault.
Though i get that our club specifically would be particularly pissed about this situation, given the only reason we're losing money instead of treading water is poor timing on fecking covid
We'd be in the same situation as bayern without the stadium renovations
The Nokia part was tongue in cheek. But the point is that Real Madrid made the choice to spread their money around, they had the money to purchase the likes of Mbappé and Haaland but decided otherwise which is not the same as not being able to afford them. Eibar can't afford these players, it's not a choice, they don't choose to spend it somewhere else.Uh? Have I missed something?
And what kind of mobile phones are Militao, Rodrygo and Vinicius again? They are what? 19, 20 and 23 years old? How are you supposed to know if they are Nokias or fairly priced Huaweis? Vinicius was among the best players vs Atalanta and Liverpool and Militao was fantastic vs Liverpool as well.
If you base your points on sets of pre-selected data eventually you will be able to prove anything.
They both rely on Galatico signings otherwise no one is tuning in to see where they'll finish in.La Liga.
This is also an interesting quote:
“The owners are mostly not English. They’re not in it to make money, they have teams in America, love sport and they found themselves in a position they didn’t expect. They’re old, they got scared”
Interesting, I’d have thought United v Liverpool is much a much bigger game