Florentino Pérez: The saviour of football.

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I am going to bed and sending thoughts and prayers for Flo's ego which has gone down in flames. There's only so many Ls one man can take before even someone like him realises he's a parody of a human being.
 

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I agree with that. The way they went about it was dumb, and the product they offered wasn't particularly more appetible than what we currently have

The back breaker though was the closed circle part. If they took that away this whole thing would have gone down much differenrtly
Agreed. But then that part was pretty much the main point, at least for the US-owned clubs, so....
 

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"It's almost like...like...they think we are destroying football, or something!"

It's never a pretty sight, watching a man frantically trying to talk himself out of having to face reality.
 

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He stands for almost everything that's wrong with modern football. The sooner he has nothing to say in football, the better for the sport.
 

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Not sure how a single signing 100% determines that a club is actually reducing or raising the overall costs, to be honest.
It doesn't but making a signing with huge wages on the same day as you go crying about how fecked you are financially is not the wisest of moves.
 

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It doesn't but making a signing with huge wages on the same day as you go crying about how fecked you are financially is not the wisest of moves.
The signing was made since December last season. It was an open secret.
 

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Paying Alaba 100M or so over five years is hardly good bussiness. He's been in slow decline for last 2-3 seasons plus people forget Alaba became a BuLi regular when he was only 18 so its only natural he's declining now.
 

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He is such an arrogant twat, shitting on fans, other clubs, leagues, organizations.
 

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He legit thinks football owes Real Madrid and they should be allowed to spend what they like even if they can't afford it.

The concept of being skint and so not spending as much money seems totally alien to him.
 

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Well, there's no "obviously" to that, given that this is the format that has been presented. Also, bear in mind the underlying model, which is that of NA professional sports. Which is based on a regular season with plenty of revenue-bringing games, but no real purpose other than qualifying for the playoffs, which is the thing that matters. And you can't have it both ways - if you make the early phase more meaningful for example by only letting the top 8 teams qualify directly for the knockout phase, then you also make the later phase a lot less appealing by making a large number of big teams miss the real part.

However, the biggest problem with all of this is that a solution that fixes the european competition by destroying the national league is not a solution. And, that is what this would do. As things are today, few would question that the CL is the highest level of competition, one step above any national league. Yet, no one really perceives the CL as a threat to any national league. Why is that? Simple: It's because they are connected. In order to get to the CL, you have to perform well in your national league. Hence, the national leagues harness and benefit from the prestige of the CL, which is a complementary source of prestige rather than a competing one. Snap that link, and that's gone. This is actually an impressively successful aspect of the current CL format, quite an achievement. And this is the crucial thing to protect in any revamping of European competitions, in my view.
Unfortunately thing is not this black and white.

CL the way it is would lead to a dead end eventually. There are differences between leagues. Some leagues attract more talents, more popular. There is a reason, UEFA keeps giving more CL spots to stronger leagues. A champions of manny smaller leagues are weaker than the 4th placed from stronger leagues. And it now it looks like UEFA deems that the gap in quality is bigger with 6 CL places for strong leagues! (It used to be top 4, nowadays top 6 cliche to reflect that popular belief)

So if UEFA keeps expanding the CL spots for the big leagues, eventually the CL would also have too many games, which force national leagues to work around. The issue with CL coefficient system remains. The champions of smaller leagues get in pot 1 and pot 2 means stronger teams get drawn into same group earlier. These stronger teams eliminate each other earlier, would limit the amount of viewer attracting teams, reducing the whole competition ability to generate money.

There is a limit to which CL can expand. Imagine CL gives big leagues 8 spots when they next revise their format That's almost half the league plays in CL, and there is Europa League spots! CL then again would have more games, but still have same issue with coefficient point system, and early elimination of strong teams. Eventually CL would mean a big competition full of teams from strong leagues, yet these teams most of the time, don't play enough games. Thus ESL idea of using a league phase before the KO round may be immature, but without foresight.
 

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Amazing how diverse the super League motivations are. Perez openly saying they need the league to sign mbappe and to keep pace with wage inflation (which is supply and demand). If Madrid and barce go bust, psg and city won't be to blame, you still have to manage the club well. He says it's impossible to sign haaland or mbappe... but you just have to get talent and actually give it a chance like United have.
 

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We can't afford to sign the worlds best players so let's make a new league to support us doing that :lol:

what a joke. Madrid deserve to struggle for the next 10 years and run themselves like a proper football team, they'll always have their reputation to fall back on.
 

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Amazing how diverse the super League motivations are. Perez openly saying they need the league to sign mbappe and to keep pace with wage inflation (which is supply and demand). If Madrid and barce go bust, psg and city won't be to blame, you still have to manage the club well. He says it's impossible to sign haaland or mbappe... but you just have to get talent and actually give it a chance like United have.
It is especially weird considering the fact that Madrid and Barcelona did this to themselves when they demanded a share of the La Liga TV revenue that basically strangles 90% of the league and makes it boring as feck. Now they look at the Premier League with some sense of jealousy as if they have just been unlucky.
 

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You have to admire his frankness. Plz, we need ESL, otherwise no Mbappe and Haaland for us, which means the death of football as we know it:lol:
 

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You have to admire his frankness. Plz, we need ESL, otherwise no Mbappe and Haaland for us, which means the death of football as we know it:lol:
The best part was when he said something about the other 14clubs taking the money (referring to the EPL clubs) I mean how dare the other teams take money, and try to be competitive and qualify for the Champions League.

We need this mother fecker to burn in hell
 

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Not sure how a single signing 100% determines that a club is actually reducing or raising the overall costs, to be honest.
Bayern, a club without a single penny of debt wants to extend Alabas contract.
Alaba/his agent demands crazy wages.
Bayern says "we cannot pay this much".
Real, a club with millions in debt: "no problem, here are the monnies"

Spot the mistake
 

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What? is this post some kind of scolding to the beloved leader? Savior of football, giver of European cups and scourge of monopoly?
If he signs mbappé and haaland i'll agree to everything he says :lol:
 

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This is what he said " It isn't fair that in England six are losing and 14 winning, that big clubs in Spain are losing money and the small clubs are earning money"
 

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We can't afford to sign the worlds best players so let's make a new league to support us doing that :lol:

what a joke. Madrid deserve to struggle for the next 10 years and run themselves like a proper football team, they'll always have their reputation to fall back on.
It's really ridiculous.
And at least judging by social media (i know, i know), most Real fans seem to support him and his ideas.... :wenger:
 

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I'm not a doctor and can't make a diagnosis, but he doesn't seem all there, does he. There is something wrong with his mind.
 

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He makes Beckenbauer sound sane in comparison :lol:
 

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I would take almost as much pleasure from Real and Barca disappearing as I would from Livepool
 

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Weird that they sign a declining Alaba on such high wages. He is a great allrounder. He is a good CB, but not top tier. He is a good LB, but imo not as good offensively like he used to be in combination with Ribery.

People justify it with no transfer fee. But they will give Alaba a lot of cash directly on top of the wages and you can be sure that the agent fee for Zahavi is huge.

It was rumoured that Zahavi demanded 20m agent fees. Insane.
 

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Bayern, a club without a single penny of debt wants to extend Alabas contract.
Alaba/his agent demands crazy wages.
Bayern says "we cannot pay this much".
Real, a club with millions in debt: "no problem, here are the monnies"

Spot the mistake
There is no mistake in that scenario having debt doesn't mean that you are not solvent and it also doesn't mean that you don't cash to invest. It doesn't even mean that Bayern have more liquidities available than Real Madrid, maybe they do but your scenario doesn't show that.
 

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:lol:

:( feck sake
No but seriously. Unlike many I have no issue with Real Madrid but it's problematic when people like him and millions of fans repeat that BS, if you can purchase Hazard than you can afford Mbappé from Monaco or Haaland from Salzburg. Now the key point that people should keep in mind is that from the moment Haaland and Mbappé are in wealthy clubs you can't afford them unless their clubs decide otherwise, that's true whether these players are valued at 25m or 2bn.