Allegedly, but done so in front of many witnesses.
Ryan Giggs charged with assaulting two women...
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Is it just civil proceedings that a rich UK resident can suppress or can they they also suppress criminal proceedings?
Cant think of the proper term, but ‘suppress’ should get my point across.
Cant think of the proper term, but ‘suppress’ should get my point across.
Giggs is a legend, end of. 99% of these "news" sound like tabloid rumors.
I get that now, but if he's convicted would that still be the case to you?
Reads like a true right winger when discussing the misdeeds of their heroes.
If. Until then it's pure trash. And even so, it won't change his legendary status.
Giggsy was a left winger.
There's no helping people like you when it comes to this sort of stuff. I don’t see how a guilty verdict couldn’t tarnish his reputation in the eyes of supporters. Or at least warrant a name change
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Cute, but meant you obviously.
I used to play on the left too. Sometimes at center back. But cool story.
Not sure why would you bring politics to a thread about Giggs. Last time I checked he was a footballer, not an elected official.
But if you must know, i'm not on any wing. Mostly independent. Right on some issues, left on other. But again, what does it have to do with Giggs?
Oh you mean Rhodri may have been a cnut and due to that him and Natasha didn't get on? Sorry I thought you meant him and Ryan didn't get on.
Well, I don't know about that. By all accounts Ryan and Natasha were carrying on since before Rhodri was with her or at least from the very start. It was an 8 year affair and Rhodri was only with her for 8 years so it wasn't like their relationship fell apart and Ryan swooped in.
These are my heroes.I grew up idolising them....I grew up intensely supporting them....Obviously i”m hoping that all these allegations are false.Regardless of whatever he’s done in his private life,he’s still a legend in my eyes....If he’s guilty then obviously he will be punished,but I”m not going to sit here and bay for his blood while the trials still going on...
You forgot “coercive and controlling behaviour” charge
Regards his brother. Still remarkable to me how highly sociopathic behaviour gets dismissed because it’s “none criminal” but its behaviour that should set alarms bells ringing and tells you more about someone then the majority of criminal convictions do by themselves
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You were just cosplaying in the 2020 Election thread then? Got it.
Just pointing out the right wing sensibilities that you exhibit. Good to see they are still intact.
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I love how people are all like "innocent until proven guilty" then go on to blame Rhodri or claim the women might have attacked Ryan first...without the slightest hint of understanding the hypocrisy.
Ah, let's pull out the 'right wing charge' because we disagree with what somebody says. You don't want any kind of real debate with that slippery mindset. The caf used to have a few posters like you but I've noticed there's more of them now. I don't know what it is about Rhodri that makes people go all wobbly and cry about how terribly he suffered because of his wife cheating with his brother. Because he didn't know. At all. Never guessed for 7 plus years.
Maybe they also have Rhodri's ability to go blind, deaf and dumb about something that they can make money from talking to the tabloids about.
As for playing the 'right wing' card - you don't know or don't want to know about the recent infamous Hollywood scandal of Harvey Weinstein. Harvey the buddy of Hilary Clinton among others and close to Meryl Streep, the leading self-styled 'progressive' who was all for very publicly campaigning for women's rights when somebody of the opposite political persuasion was doing something wrong but was silent for years on Weinstein. She knew along with all her mates of the 'progressive' side what he was up to.
Then a few of their 'progressive' journalist mates in the media tried to blame old Judi Dench for not blowing the whistle on Harvey. While their friends were the ones partying with him and saying he was such a wonderful man all these years, and not even wanting to listen to actresses who were sexually assaulted or violated by him in other ways.
Maybe you should change your user name to Meryl.
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Giggs86 - Just refer to calodo2003 as 'Meryl' from now on. If you can be bothered wasting any more energy on him/her - I can't.
The ignore button is a nice feature of the redcaf.
Ask yourself if you could pick two of those four to sign now (assuming they are all age 22) to stay at your club for next ten years who would you pick, for me Keane and Scholes every time.
The trouble with the 'good boy' or 'good girl' defence used for people accused of something that seems out of character is that people are complex, their motives are complex, and their private lives can be complex. I can't judge Ronaldo as nothing was resolved in a court of law.
But 'good people' have been guilty before and will be guilty in the future of committing criminal acts. I don't see Graeme Souness' words as having any real significance as he is stating what is generally known about the public Ronaldo. A good man apparently.
When Ronaldo went to the UK as a United recruit he lived with his Mum and family members. That does say something about his priorities but whether he did what many have done and seen it as their right to follow through on sexual activity when the other person changes their mind, is something only Ronaldo and that woman and a relative handful of other people know.
I know it's inevitable for this to turn into a CE thread but please try to keep it on topic for as long as possible.
Thanks.
Thanks.
So amid the complete irrelevancies it's Rhodri's fault now, because the two of them got away with it and he sold a couple of stories when he probably needed the money?
This is absolute lunacy.
Some of the posts here.
"Rhodri didn't help by marrying a slut"
"Rhodri didn't help by marrying a slut"
It is still a big reach. Coercion and controlling behavior implies a use of force as well.
I'm not an expert in the DSM manual of mental disorders, so I don't know where doing your brother's wife falls on the sociopath scale. It's not right, it's wrong (as is every act of adultery). It doesn't automatically make you more likely to commit serious crimes, is my point.
Read my post again. I quite clearly state that "there is no excuse for hitting a woman."
It's indicative of the pearl clutching that occurs whenever Giggs is discussed.Some of the posts here.
"Rhodri didn't help by marrying a slut"
"Oh his brother's wife... The humanity... What an evil cnut"... And you're surprised the other equal person in the equation is being called a ho?
Someone is more likely to have assaulted a female if they had assaulted a woman.
But that's like a disclaimer at the end. It doesn't actually give you licence to say anything prior to that and not be called out on it. You call one woman a slut and state the other two probably started both the verbal and physical altercation.
It doesn't read like someone who has respect for women or actually believes it's not ok.
Generally there's no smoke without fire. If he's guilty, he ain't legendary to me anymore (to be fair the brother's wife affair thing slapped him down some pegs anyway).
Coercive control doesn't necessarily imply force. It can be for cases where the abuse was purely mental/verbal and was brought in recently enough as it was notoriously difficult to prove a pattern of harassment under the old laws.
Ok I am a fair minded individual and I have never done anything that bad. I don't want to be on anyone's side here but nobody is perfect in the Giggs debacle.
Ryan: Had an affair with his brother's wife for many years. Possible domestic violence.
Natasha: Had an affair with her husband's brother for many years. Possibly shagged others during that time.
Rhodri: Looks like an alcoholic and has done a string of ads after the news broke.
Ryan's Dad: Got alot of facial grooming done for the Sun newspaper photos.
Ryans's Girlfriend: Got into a relationship with a guy who she knew had been in an affair with his brother's wife.
Nobody here has any real value least of all Ryan.
Ryan: Had an affair with his brother's wife for many years. Possible domestic violence.
Natasha: Had an affair with her husband's brother for many years. Possibly shagged others during that time.
Rhodri: Looks like an alcoholic and has done a string of ads after the news broke.
Ryan's Dad: Got alot of facial grooming done for the Sun newspaper photos.
Ryans's Girlfriend: Got into a relationship with a guy who she knew had been in an affair with his brother's wife.
Nobody here has any real value least of all Ryan.
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Probably already mentioned but assume this is why he wasn't included in the inaugural Premier League Hall Of Fame this week.
You never know what people are like behind closed doors. 'It's always the quiet ones'. He obviously just thinks he can do what he wants after 25 years of fame and wealth. Still a footballing legend but he's let himself down big time.
You never know what people are like behind closed doors. 'It's always the quiet ones'. He obviously just thinks he can do what he wants after 25 years of fame and wealth. Still a footballing legend but he's let himself down big time.
I agree. Good people, or those perceived as good, can do heinous things. My point was about comparing what is known between Ronaldo and Giggs and why many people are already “disowning” Giggs. There is nothing, that we know of from Ronaldo’s past, that gives reason to hate/dislike or not trust his character, whereas with Giggs he’s already demonstrated a callousness towards his own family.
Like I said everyone is different. But there are certain types of murderers, drug dealers, bank robbers whose characters I’d respect and trust more than Giggs
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You have a great usernameSeems the PL have hit him where it really hurts him. The player with most PL titles and PL assists in history isn't even nominated.
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the utter lack of empathy to one of your closest relatives.
the deception to hide it and still act like nothing is happening. The charm to still act like bros
the complete lack of remorse or shame once caught, the manipulation (Only he knows what he did /said) to turn your mother against her own son despite you being in the wrong. That’s even more selfish and lack of empathy in one there. You’ve taken your brothers wife, now take away his mother also, just for your own ego.
Why did you drag me into your little politics rant? I don't give a shit what wing you are and this isn't a politics thread.
As for blaming Rhodri, well that's just pathetic. You have no idea what he did or didn't know, and even if he had some idea who are you to judge? Which is where the hypocrisy of your stance comes in.
His domestic violence charges have nothing to do with his 8 year long affair with his brother’s wife.
I have always been amused at the Caf’s moral police about this. Like they take it personally, as if Giggs has had an affair with their own wife.
Giggs’ affair has as much to do with the football player as Ronaldo’s history with surrogacy for example: Nothing.
You could write books about the moral aspects of both “events” but as far as I am concerned this is their private / family life.
I have always been amused at the Caf’s moral police about this. Like they take it personally, as if Giggs has had an affair with their own wife.
Giggs’ affair has as much to do with the football player as Ronaldo’s history with surrogacy for example: Nothing.
You could write books about the moral aspects of both “events” but as far as I am concerned this is their private / family life.
Giggs will tear you apart...again
We don’t really know much yet of this situation, maybe it was self defence or she hit him first.
People laugh at this stuff but she may have been violent first, my mrs has a mean left hook.
People laugh at this stuff but she may have been violent first, my mrs has a mean left hook.
People that never watched him play/ don't remember will look at the raw stats and be unimpressed.
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