Allegedly, but done so in front of many witnesses.Allegedly?
Allegedly, but done so in front of many witnesses.Allegedly?
I get that now, but if he's convicted would that still be the case to you?Giggs is a legend, end of. 99% of these "news" sound like tabloid rumors.
Reads like a true right winger when discussing the misdeeds of their heroes.Giggs is a legend, end of. 99% of these "news" sound like tabloid rumors.
If. Until then it's pure trash. And even so, it won't change his legendary status.I get that now, but if he's convicted would that still be the case to you?
Giggsy was a left winger.Reads like a true right winger when discussing the misdeeds of their heroes.
There's no helping people like you when it comes to this sort of stuff. I don’t see how a guilty verdict couldn’t tarnish his reputation in the eyes of supporters. Or at least warrant a name changeIf. Until then it's pure trash. And even so, it won't change his legendary status.
Giggsy was a left winger.
Cute, but meant you obviously.If. Until then it's pure trash. And even so, it won't change his legendary status.
Giggsy was a left winger.
I used to play on the left too. Sometimes at center back. But cool story.Cute, but meant you obviously.
So, you’re not right wing politically?I used to play on the left too. Sometimes at center back. But cool story.
Not sure why would you bring politics to a thread about Giggs. Last time I checked he was a footballer, not an elected official.So, you’re not right wing politically?
Find that difficult to believe.
Oh you mean Rhodri may have been a cnut and due to that him and Natasha didn't get on? Sorry I thought you meant him and Ryan didn't get on.No, that's pretty much it. That it happened for 8 years suggests the brother and the wife were in a loveless marriage.
These are my heroes.I grew up idolising them....I grew up intensely supporting them....Obviously i”m hoping that all these allegations are false.Regardless of whatever he’s done in his private life,he’s still a legend in my eyes....If he’s guilty then obviously he will be punished,but I”m not going to sit here and bay for his blood while the trials still going on...Weird prism through which you look.
This isn’t just the first time of his cnutish behavior.
If he turns out innocent, then he’s innocent in the eyes of the law. But, like you stated, shit gets thrown out of court all the time, but it’s not always due to the accused’s innocence. We as people can have a view of him as a person though.
But letting your views be clouded in any way due to his being able to play well with a round object on a piece of grass is utterly bizarre. He shouldn’t be absolved any or besmirched any for what he did on the pitch.
When his actions off the pitch are objectively viewed, he seems quite the cnut.
You forgot “coercive and controlling behaviour” chargeThat behavior has nothing to do with the very serious crime of bodily assault.
You were just cosplaying in the 2020 Election thread then? Got it.Not sure why would you bring politics to a thread about Giggs. Last time I checked he was a footballer, not an elected official.
But if you must know, i'm not on any wing. Mostly independent. Right on some issues, left on other. But again, what does it have to do with Giggs?
I love how people are all like "innocent until proven guilty" then go on to blame Rhodri or claim the women might have attacked Ryan first...without the slightest hint of understanding the hypocrisy.
Ah, let's pull out the 'right wing charge' because we disagree with what somebody says. You don't want any kind of real debate with that slippery mindset. The caf used to have a few posters like you but I've noticed there's more of them now. I don't know what it is about Rhodri that makes people go all wobbly and cry about how terribly he suffered because of his wife cheating with his brother. Because he didn't know. At all. Never guessed for 7 plus years.Reads like a true right winger when discussing the misdeeds of their heroes.
Giggs86 - Just refer to calodo2003 as 'Meryl' from now on. If you can be bothered wasting any more energy on him/her - I can't.You were just cosplaying in the 2020 Election thread then? Got it.
Just pointing out the right wing sensibilities that you exhibit. Good to see they are still intact.
Ask yourself if you could pick two of those four to sign now (assuming they are all age 22) to stay at your club for next ten years who would you pick, for me Keane and Scholes every time.Believe it or not a lot don’t rate him as high as Man Utd fans. My friends rate him the least out of our MF of him,Scholes, Becks and Keane. While that isn’t that controversial as they are all top players most them say his longevity is second to none but never was world class or only was for a short time
The trouble with the 'good boy' or 'good girl' defence used for people accused of something that seems out of character is that people are complex, their motives are complex, and their private lives can be complex. I can't judge Ronaldo as nothing was resolved in a court of law.If all Giggs had was this charge many would be waiting until the trial was over. But with Giggs we have a lot of facts from his past.
Ronaldo was an accusation that went no where, didn’t even lead to charges.
Also Ronaldo is regularly spoken of as a “good boy” by people, even Graeme Souness once said it on TV... “I don’t know him but everyone I know who knows him says he’s a good boy” Also Ronaldo helped his brother who had drug issues let’s him manage his CR7 brand and makes him feel part of things.... Giggs fecked his brothers wife for 7 years and when he got exposed he refused to apologise and turned his brother into the outcast by turning their mum against his brother.
So amid the complete irrelevancies it's Rhodri's fault now, because the two of them got away with it and he sold a couple of stories when he probably needed the money?Ah, let's pull out the 'right wing charge' because we disagree with what somebody says. You don't want any kind of real debate with that slippery mindset. The caf used to have a few posters like you but I've noticed there's more of them now. I don't know what it is about Rhodri that makes people go all wobbly and cry about how terribly he suffered because of his wife cheating with his brother. Because he didn't know. At all. Never guessed for 7 plus years.
Maybe they also have Rhodri's ability to go blind, deaf and dumb about something that they can make money from talking to the tabloids about.
As for playing the 'right wing' card - you don't know or don't want to know about the recent infamous Hollywood scandal of Harvey Weinstein. Harvey the buddy of Hilary Clinton among others and close to Meryl Streep, the leading self-styled 'progressive' who was all for very publicly campaigning for women's rights when somebody of the opposite political persuasion was doing something wrong but was silent for years on Weinstein. She knew along with all her mates of the 'progressive' side what he was up to.
Then a few of their 'progressive' journalist mates in the media tried to blame old Judi Dench for not blowing the whistle on Harvey. While their friends were the ones partying with him and saying he was such a wonderful man all these years, and not even wanting to listen to actresses who were sexually assaulted or violated by him in other ways.
Maybe you should change your user name to Meryl.
This is absolute lunacy.Believe it or not a lot don’t rate him as high as Man Utd fans. My friends rate him the least out of our MF of him,Scholes, Becks and Keane. While that isn’t that controversial as they are all top players most them say his longevity is second to none but never was world class or only was for a short time
It is still a big reach. Coercion and controlling behavior implies a use of force as well.You forgot “coercive and controlling behaviour” charge
Regards his brother. Still remarkable to me how highly sociopathic behaviour gets dismissed because it’s “none criminal” but its behaviour that should set alarms bells ringing and tells you more about someone then the majority of criminal convictions do by themselves
Read my post again. I quite clearly state that "there is no excuse for hitting a woman."It sounds like you are condoning domestic violence to me when you immediately jump to the alleged victim probably started it.
It's indicative of the pearl clutching that occurs whenever Giggs is discussed.Some of the posts here.
"Rhodri didn't help by marrying a slut"
But that's like a disclaimer at the end. It doesn't actually give you licence to say anything prior to that and not be called out on it. You call one woman a slut and state the other two probably started both the verbal and physical altercation.Read my post again. I quite clearly state that "there is no excuse for hitting a woman."
Coercive control doesn't necessarily imply force. It can be for cases where the abuse was purely mental/verbal and was brought in recently enough as it was notoriously difficult to prove a pattern of harassment under the old laws.It is still a big reach. Coercion and controlling behavior implies a use of force as well.
I'm not an expert in the DSM manual of mental disorders, so I don't know where doing your brother's wife falls on the sociopath scale. It's not right, it's wrong (as is every act of adultery). It doesn't automatically make you more likely to commit serious crimes, is my point.
I agree. Good people, or those perceived as good, can do heinous things. My point was about comparing what is known between Ronaldo and Giggs and why many people are already “disowning” Giggs. There is nothing, that we know of from Ronaldo’s past, that gives reason to hate/dislike or not trust his character, whereas with Giggs he’s already demonstrated a callousness towards his own family.The trouble with the 'good boy' or 'good girl' defence used for people accused of something that seems out of character is that people are complex, their motives are complex, and their private lives can be complex. I can't judge Ronaldo as nothing was resolved in a court of law.
But 'good people' have been guilty before and will be guilty in the future of committing criminal acts. I don't see Graeme Souness' words as having any real significance as he is stating what is generally known about the public Ronaldo. A good man apparently.
When Ronaldo went to the UK as a United recruit he lived with his Mum and family members. That does say something about his priorities but whether he did what many have done and seen it as their right to follow through on sexual activity when the other person changes their mind, is something only Ronaldo and that woman and a relative handful of other people know.
the utter lack of empathy to one of your closest relatives.It is still a big reach. Coercion and controlling behavior implies a use of force as well.
I'm not an expert in the DSM manual of mental disorders, so I don't know where doing your brother's wife falls on the sociopath scale. It's not right, it's wrong (as is every act of adultery). It doesn't automatically make you more likely to commit serious crimes, is my point.
Why did you drag me into your little politics rant? I don't give a shit what wing you are and this isn't a politics thread.Ah, let's pull out the 'right wing charge' because we disagree with what somebody says. You don't want any kind of real debate with that slippery mindset. The caf used to have a few posters like you but I've noticed there's more of them now. I don't know what it is about Rhodri that makes people go all wobbly and cry about how terribly he suffered because of his wife cheating with his brother. Because he didn't know. At all. Never guessed for 7 plus years.
Maybe they also have Rhodri's ability to go blind, deaf and dumb about something that they can make money from talking to the tabloids about.
As for playing the 'right wing' card - you don't know or don't want to know about the recent infamous Hollywood scandal of Harvey Weinstein. Harvey the buddy of Hilary Clinton among others and close to Meryl Streep, the leading self-styled 'progressive' who was all for very publicly campaigning for women's rights when somebody of the opposite political persuasion was doing something wrong but was silent for years on Weinstein. She knew along with all her mates of the 'progressive' side what he was up to.
Then a few of their 'progressive' journalist mates in the media tried to blame old Judi Dench for not blowing the whistle on Harvey. While their friends were the ones partying with him and saying he was such a wonderful man all these years, and not even wanting to listen to actresses who were sexually assaulted or violated by him in other ways.
Maybe you should change your user name to Meryl.
People that never watched him play/ don't remember will look at the raw stats and be unimpressed.Believe it or not a lot don’t rate him as high as Man Utd fans. My friends rate him the least out of our MF of him,Scholes, Becks and Keane. While that isn’t that controversial as they are all top players most them say his longevity is second to none but never was world class or only was for a short time