Julian Nagelsmann | Sacked and replaced by Tuchel

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Bayern fans seem to be a sensitive lot on here.
Not really, just have more insight. When people accuse Bayern of poaching, they have to know that Nagelsmann is going to earn 3 million bucks a year at Bayern. A fraction of what a similiarily rated coach would get in the PL.

And this is the plot twist: That's a significant upgrade from his salary at RBL. Wtf did people think was gonna happen? You can't play on a top level, competing with EPL/La Liga on a small town budget.
 

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Really interested to see how he does with the highest level of expectation on him.

One thing I don't understand about German football - why do they confirm managerial changes midway through the season? Behind the scenes negotiations will be nonstop between agents, players, and clubs without the press getting wind of it, so why don't they wait until the season is over before formally announcing it? It seems odd.
Because somehow the media knows about it anyways. So by confirming it as quick as possible, endless speculations and questions are finding an end.
 

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Really interested to see how he does with the highest level of expectation on him.

One thing I don't understand about German football - why do they confirm managerial changes midway through the season? Behind the scenes negotiations will be nonstop between agents, players, and clubs without the press getting wind of it, so why don't they wait until the season is over before formally announcing it? It seems odd.
It's basically impossible to keep such things a secret for long, too many parties/people are involved and rumors about Nagelsmann already started to appear 2-3 weeks ago (Matthäus, also a "friend" of Nagelsmann, openly talked about it on german TV...). So it's usually just best to get it over with or the only thing that will happen is having the media constantly bugging you about it.
 

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Hurr durr FC Bayern new manager Julian Nagelsmann.

Why Nagelsmann and not Nagelswomann. FC BAYERN IS SEXIST.
 

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I always thought Lewandowski was a tiny bit overrated. Like really, just a little bit.
please don't kill me :nervous:
I thought the same during his early years at Dortmund. And then I happened to witness him completely obliterate Madrid with 4 goals all on his own as if they insulted his mother or something... man that dude was on a mission. He has always had the potential for these things, but now he added insane consistency to it. I'm actually disappointed when he doesn't score a goal per game at least. Things will change, but I very much appreciate our lucky star for getting him.

P.S.: Why would I kill you, I think you're suffering enough right now.
 

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Because somehow the media knows about it anyways. So by confirming it as quick as possible, endless speculations and questions are finding an end.
Okay, so why not wait until the end of the season to begin formal negotiations? Bayern could have easily made it known to Nagelsmann that he was their man without speaking to RBL directly. The same thing happened with Marco Rose and Dortmund a few months ago. There's a competition at play, surely formal negotiations should wait until it's over?
 

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Okay, so why not wait until the end of the season to begin formal negotiations? Bayern could have easily made it known to Nagelsmann that he was their man without speaking to RBL directly. The same thing happened with Marco Rose and Dortmund a few months ago. There's a competition at play, surely formal negotiations should wait until it's over?
Once the rumor is out, there's a tendency to drive the price up just by bidding for it, as people know Bayern is going to be desperate for a suitable replacement for Flick. No point in waiting longer than you have to, that's just smart business decision making.
 

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I thought the same during his early years at Dortmund. And then I happened to witness him completely obliterate Madrid with 4 goals all on his own as if they insulted his mother or something... man that dude was on a mission. He has always had the potential for these things, but now he added insane consistency to it. I'm actually disappointed when he doesn't score a goal per game at least. Things will change, but I very much appreciate our lucky star for getting him.

P.S.: Why would I kill you, I think you're suffering enough right now.
To end the suffering maybe
 

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To end the suffering maybe
You'll be back soon enough, and you can celebrate a promotion then. There, something to look forward to. :) Also, you get to play St. Pauli, that's always worth the trip.
 

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Okay, so why not wait until the end of the season to begin formal negotiations? Bayern could have easily made it known to Nagelsmann that he was their man without speaking to RBL directly. The same thing happened with Marco Rose and Dortmund a few months ago. There's a competition at play, surely formal negotiations should wait until it's over?

Well, it seems that german clubs want to get their deals done as quick as possible. I think that's a positive thing to do.

If Dortmund didn't finish that deal with Rose so early, they would still be terrorized by media questions day in, day out, about who will be the next coach and what about Terzic etc.
 

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Not really, just have more insight. When people accuse Bayern of poaching, they have to know that Nagelsmann is going to earn 3 million bucks a year at Bayern. A fraction of what a similiarily rated coach would get in the PL.
It's still poaching even if he could earn more money elsewhere. You're taking away a manager and a defender from the team in 2nd place(Plus it seems you don't have to shell out a ton of money on doing so).

It's very clear that Bayern have a huge level of dominance over the Bundesliga so I'm sure why Bayern fans get so annoyed when this is pointed out. Just own it and then celebrate you're going win the next 10 league titles.
 

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It's still poaching even if he could earn more money elsewhere. You're taking away manager and a defender from the team in 2nd place.

It's very clear that Bayren have a huge level of dominance over the Bundesliga so I'm sure why Bayren get so annoyed when this is pointed out. Just own it and then celebrate you're going win the next 10 league titles.
Despite what everyone says, most of us are actually not arrogant. Nor do we assume that the next 10 titles are guaranteed. Humility in victory is a thing, and football is very cyclic. Once we run out of coaches (we tend to burn through them at 2-3 years per coach on average), we'll drop down again. And a big part of the dominance is a lack of opposition. So RBL loses a defender, what's the big deal? We lost Thiago and Coutinho and somehow we managed to deal with that. If a football club can't handle losing players, what are they even doing?

What ticks Bayern fans off is people like you trying to rile them up with these arguments. Also, it's pretty disrespectful to the hard work of the other clubs in the BL and at Bayern, you know a club that doesn't get owned by American billionaires and has millions from an outrageously lucrative TV deal blown up their arse on the back of fans that can't afford to watch the games anymore. Mock all you want, I still prefer our system.
 

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You'll be back soon enough, and you can celebrate a promotion then. There, something to look forward to. :) Also, you get to play St. Pauli, that's always worth the trip.
as if you people have any clue about the fun to play in Sandhausen. :( But the second league will be very competitive next year, I hope without Cologne :nervous:
 

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Well, it seems that german clubs want to get their deals done as quick as possible. I think that's a positive thing to do.

If Dortmund didn't finish that deal with Rose so early, they would still be terrorized by media questions day in, day out, about who will be the next coach and what about Terzic etc.
As I said, tapping up obviously goes on all the time. Informal agreements being made between agents and clubs midseason is inevitable. Announcing impending managerial changes while the season is still running to stave off media questions to counter that seems odd. The media are always going to ask uncomfortable and probing questions about job security, what's going on behind the scenes etc. Hutter to Gladbach was the same. Conversely, Arne Slot once of AZ Alkmaar was immediately sacked after it came to light that he was in discussions with Feyenoord to take over the following season. It'd be like if Arsenal announced Bielsa is taking over in the summer, or something. Wouldn't Leeds fans have a right to feel a bit aggrieved?

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as if you people have any clue about the fun to play in Sandhausen. :( But the second league will be very competitive next year, I hope without Cologne :nervous:
I mean, I used to go to St. Pauli games quite a lot when I had more time. Playing against Meppen can be quite entertaining, just don't expect CL quality football. And sometimes a failure of the floodlight system is all you need to keep you entertained for an evening. :D

Oh, and I'll never forget that afternoon when St. Pauli fans set fire to the HSV stadium. What a glorious game, I had an entire wing all to myself and my friends and we would observe the two fan curves more than the game itself. :D
 

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Humility in victory is a thing.
So RBL loses a defender, what's the big deal? We lost Thiago and Coutinho and somehow we managed to deal with that. If a football club can't handle losing players, what are they even doing?
:)

Also, it's pretty disrespectful to the hard work of the other clubs in the BL and at Bayern,
Yes pointing out that fact you've just nicked the best young manager in Europe on the cheap from you're league rivals is disrespectful.

you know a club that doesn't get owned by American billionaires and has millions from an outrageously lucrative TV deal blown up their arse on the back of fans that can't afford to watch the games anymore. Mock all you want, I still prefer our system.
Tbh you all oddly enough sound like a bunch of tories.
 

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You'll be back soon enough, and you can celebrate a promotion then. There, something to look forward to. :) Also, you get to play St. Pauli, that's always worth the trip.
Maybe, but it's not that likely

as if you people have any clue about the fun to play in Sandhausen. :( But the second league will be very competitive next year, I hope without Cologne :nervous:
You guys are coming down with us, and Hertha or Werder as well. 2nd League could be absolutely awesome then. Hamburg, Schalke, Werder, Köln, and so on..nice
 

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Yes pointing out that fact you've just nicked the best young manager in Europe on the cheap from you're league rivals is disrespectful.

Tbh you all oddly enough sound like a bunch of tories.
Your envy means nothing to me. There, now I sound like a Tory. :P
 

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These threads are the best. The same Bayern fans going toe to toe with the same PL club fans, all posts dripping with insecurity and "my big brother could beat up your big brother" mentality. Never gets stale.
 

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Yes pointing out that fact you've just nicked the best young manager in Europe on the cheap from you're league rivals is disrespectful.
It's already a world record fee on par with another one and due to bonuses will for sure be the sole record come next june.
 

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These threads are the best. The same Bayern fans going toe to toe with the same PL club fans, all posts dripping with insecurity and "my big brother could beat up your big brother" mentality. Never gets stale.
I rarely engage in these things, in my defense. But work is slow and I am sitting bored in home office and this was good entertainment so far. Now you've taken all the fun out of it! :D
 

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@Sweet Square I was pointing out why his leaving RBL was inevitable, not that the transfer fee between Bayern and RBL was cheap. But continue, don't let these details distract you. :)
 

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I rarely engage in these things, in my defense. But work is slow and I am sitting bored in home office and this was good entertainment so far. Now you've taken all the fun out of it! :D
Nah, I haven't, plenty of delicious bait to be thrown into this pool, just you wait. :D
 

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I have zero respect to German football, all clubs are servants for the great Bayern Munich. The most irritating thing are the fans of these german football clubs who defend Munich here in the Caf, they have no self respect.
 

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Why do quite a lot of people in this thread think that Nagelsmann sings a 5y contract at Bayern for „only“ €3m p.a.? He is earning that at Leipzig and will 100% improve massively on that at Bayern.
 

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As I said, tapping up obviously goes on all the time. Informal agreements being made between agents and clubs midseason is inevitable. Announcing impending managerial changes while the season is still running to stave off media questions to counter that seems odd. The media are always going to ask uncomfortable and probing questions about job security, what's going on behind the scenes etc. Hutter to Gladbach was the same. Conversely, Arne Slot once of AZ Alkmaar was immediately sacked after it came to light that he was in discussions with Feyenoord to take over the following season. It'd be like if Arsenal announced Bielsa is taking over in the summer, or something. Wouldn't Leeds fans have a right to feel a bit aggrieved?

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Keeping the tension going about the future of a coach, forcing him to bullshit his way through questions about his future usually creates much more tension than just announcing the facts, so everyone can begin to get over it. Perhaps with fans in Germany being more influential there is also a point that DoFs and other parts of the management, who remain at the club, don't want fans to be felt like they were lied to.
It's also not that common an occurrence to see so many coaches jump clubs between next door neighbours in the table.
 

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Why do quite a lot of people in this thread think that Nagelsmann sings a 5y contract at Bayern for „only“ €3m p.a.? He is earning that at Leipzig and will 100% improve massively on that at Bayern.
I'm irritated by that salary as well, but all reports say it's 3mio € p. a.
 

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Not sure why people are criticizing Bayern or saying they are killing their league. Big clubs have recruited players from smaller domestic clubs since transfers exist. 3/4 of Man Utd's starting backline has been bought from smaller PL clubs, for big money, is Man Utd killing the PL? Just because Bayern is a tier above other Bundesliga clubs (and also, 10X more scrutinized than any other german team) doesnt make it any different from what other big clubs do, it's a pyramidal system. Also, as a french fan, I wish more french players and coaches like Mbappe would want to move to PSG rather than go to a foreign lesser club, I applaud Bayern's ability to keep top german players/staff in their league.
 

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Why do quite a lot of people in this thread think that Nagelsmann sings a 5y contract at Bayern for „only“ €3m p.a.? He is earning that at Leipzig and will 100% improve massively on that at Bayern.
Yeah I don't buy that figure either.
 

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Why do quite a lot of people in this thread think that Nagelsmann sings a 5y contract at Bayern for „only“ €3m p.a.? He is earning that at Leipzig and will 100% improve massively on that at Bayern.
I mean in FM17 I've won 21 consecutive Bundesliga titles and 13 Champions League for Leverkusen but I'm still offered only Eur 42k a week on a new contract. :(
 

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Where are the sources for those claims?
@CFraudBayern I assume

I could see Bayern leaking something like this. So the supposed fee for Nagelsmann doesn't look as "bad". Spin it so Nagelsmann effectively paid part of the fee.
 

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@CFraudBayern I assume

I could see Bayern leaking something like this. So the supposed fee for Nagelsmann doesn't look as "bad".
Probably!

This is on transfermarkt.de (same parent company as Bild): „Dem Vernehmen nach verdient er bei den Sachsen rund 3 Mio. Euro pro Jahr – in München soll dieser Betrag laut „Bild“ deutlich übertroffen werden.“
https://www.transfermarkt.de/offizi...uerster-trainer-der-historie/view/news/384131

Which translates roughly to: „ According to reports, he earns around 3 million euros per year with the Saxons - according to Bild, this amount will be significantly exceeded in Munich.“
 

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@CFraudBayern I assume

I could see Bayern leaking something like this. So the supposed fee for Nagelsmann doesn't look as "bad". Spin it so Nagelsmann effectively paid part of the fee.
It does sound like a PR figure to me.

A variation on the famous "player x agreed to take a wage cut to sign for us" trope that many clubs like to employ, among them Bayern and Barca
 

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Keeping the tension going about the future of a coach, forcing him to bullshit his way through questions about his future usually creates much more tension than just announcing the facts, so everyone can begin to get over it. Perhaps with fans in Germany being more influential there is also a point that DoFs and other parts of the management, who remain at the club, don't want fans to be felt like they were lied to.
It's also not that common an occurrence to see so many coaches jump clubs between next door neighbours in the table.
*coughs*Hitzfeld*coughs*Rehagel...

Granted, it's over like a 30 year period almost.