Gehrman
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I don't think he's rated since he switched to Barcelona.Nobody thinks Griezmann? I’m surprised his name isn’t brought up
I don't think he's rated since he switched to Barcelona.Nobody thinks Griezmann? I’m surprised his name isn’t brought up
My goodness. I’ve seen it all now......MBappe. Rashford has more to his game and would get the same numbers in Ligue 1.
Sterling. Not a natural footballer.
Kompany. Continually made mistakes to his head went in big fixtures. Not saying he wasn't good, he wasn't great. Just not amazing like some people harp on about. Like Vidic really (Torres).
Go on. Be boldMight as well get in on the act;
Ricardo Carvalho - class player, incredibly elegant but people have elevated him to a level where it almost sounds like Terry was hanging on to his coattails in that defence. They complimented each other perfectly, but I rate Terry much, much higher.
David Silva - another incredibly elegant classy player who is spoken about as if he belongs at the upper echelons of Premier League midfielders when he's at least the very least a tier below, maybe more.
Didier Drogba - I have come to this painful realisation in recent years. I used to have him right up there next to Henry and Shearer as one of the all-time great strikers in this league. He's still wildly important to me and his record on all the big occasions will speak for itself, but I have reluctantly lowered his all-time status from neck and neck with Henry and Shearer to having an internal debate about whether he can scrape into the top 5.
There is one more, but I'd rather not feel the wrath of this forum.
Holy.MBappe. Rashford has more to his game and would get the same numbers in Ligue 1.
Sterling. Not a natural footballer.
Kompany. Continually made mistakes to his head went in big fixtures. Not saying he wasn't good, he wasn't great. Just not amazing like some people harp on about. Like Vidic really (Torres).
I think it's Paul Scholes or Paul PogbaGo on. Be bold
highly exaggerated. his pass completion is 79% and averages 0.2 through passes per game. No way he could make 1/10 or 3/10 and have 79% when he averages 60 passes per game totalRemember we didn’t sign him in the summer and the talk was we didn’t like the way he gave away the ball so much ? I can see where people are coming from he is vital for us but feel he wouldn’t stand out at say City that much where keeping the ball is more the priority.
My cousin hit the nail on the head when having a good game he will make 3/10 through balls and end up with a assist or 2 and a goal. But when he is off them through balls will be 1/10 and he will stand out as the worst on the pitch
Well he didn't say Carrick's better than Busquets. You'd also most certainly struggle to find people who thinks he is better than both Busquets and Pirlo.
Not sure what's the hype with him either.James Maddison.
I just don't get it. The vast majority of his involvements are long shots that are either wildly off-target or comfortably saved. He's not on the same planet as Grealish or Foden or even Mount.
Go on. Be bold
I think it's Paul Scholes or Paul Pogba
Cantona obviously scored some great goals but... nah I can't do it.Any of Keane, Scholes and Cantona would guarantee that I would want to clamp down hard on the Keane/Scholes/Cantona chat.
Hes as good as Rooney. What has Saudi assembled got to do with it? Messi and Ronaldo played wit better players and Henry in some seasons. He was brilliant in La Liga too. When they signed him was the first time I genuinely got worried by City and he proved whyAguero
Obviously brilliant, in a Saudi assembled team, not so impressive for Argentina and shouldn’t be near the same sentence as Shearer, Henry, Ruud etc
Don’t have any issue with his anticipation or positioning or his passing.Are you mad? These myths were debunked well before he retired.
He was first class for us. His defensive positioning and anticipation were excellent and his passing was about as good as it gets.
He would walk into our side right now and transform our midfield.
Carrick slowing down our play is a complete myth. He normally played one and two touch football, so unless the ball magically stopped once in close proximity to him that would be impossible. He was a Rolls Royce of a midfielder. Not the fastest in short bursts, but decent recovery pace which he showed several times. Simple, but great passing. His defensive positional play was absolutely brilliant, though. I recall an analysis where he completely shut off any passing corridor to Drogba, so without actually being close to him, he absolutely nullified him.Are you mad? These myths were debunked well before he retired.
He was first class for us. His defensive positioning and anticipation were excellent and his passing was about as good as it gets.
He would walk into our side right now and transform our midfield.
I have a feeling you are referring specifically to the Barcelona games in the CL?Don’t have any issue with his anticipation or positioning or his passing.
it’s how he fared when the game was been played at high tempo that I think he always struggled.
Eto’o was great don’t see how you can’t rate him.There's nothing much between Eto'o and Henry.
To the OP, Eto'o was absolutely brilliant. In fact I'd prefer him over any CF in the game today. Like Henry he was such a complete striker, could hold the ball up, could drop into pockets of space, was great in big games, a good passer, quick, could beat defenders, had it all really.
I think the same but can’t be fecked arguing it.
Yeah totally agree. Not sure why some still hold this opinion of him.Carrick slowing down our play is a complete myth. He normally played one and two touch football, so unless the ball magically stopped once in close proximity to him that would be impossible. He was a Rolls Royce of a midfielder. Not the fastest in short bursts, but decent recovery pace which he showed several times. Simple, but great passing. His defensive positional play was absolutely brilliant, though. I recall an analysis where he completely shut off any passing corridor to Drogba, so without actually being close to him, he absolutely nullified him.
Carrick/Xavi alonso type...Yeah totally agree. Not sure why some still hold this opinion of him.
I would pick a prime Carrick over almost any midfielder available in Europe right now. He would transform our midfield. Most people think of a hard-tackling all action player when they think of a holding midfielder, however a player with Carrick's attributes is able to elevate the position into something much more beneficial to the team overall.
Right now we would kill for a player that can just simply win the ball back and position themselves centrally. Carrick was so much more than that.
I'm doing that a bit with strikers. I rate the ones who scored even when they played bad more than I rate the ones who played well even when they weren't scoring.So many of these shouts are stylistic preferences for a preferred profile for different positions on the park. Especially the case for the types of midfielders that do, or don't, get our juices flowing.
Just casually picking Carrick over Kevin De Bruyne, Toni Kroos etc.Yeah totally agree. Not sure why some still hold this opinion of him.
I would pick a prime Carrick over almost any midfielder available in Europe right now. He would transform our midfield. Most people think of a hard-tackling all action player when they think of a holding midfielder, however a player with Carrick's attributes is able to elevate the position into something much more beneficial to the team overall.
Right now we would kill for a player that can just simply win the ball back and position themselves centrally. Carrick was so much more than that.
Yeah exactly, they are pure gold dust. Busquets is another of this type who has been outstanding, although I'm sure I've seen his name in this thread listed as overrated.Carrick/Xavi alonso type...
there aren’t many around.
Still some way off but Ruben Neves or Rice are probably the most alike in the PL today
Agree. I'm putting Saul in there as well.Koke.
Disagree with nearly all of these, Zidane wasn’t just a big game player he was incredible game in game out, the thing is critiques like this one are interesting because truly what team or players do you watch game in game out apart from your own? And how many games do you forget a player has a bad performance because their team wins, and vice versa? It’s clear that Zidane was one of the best players in Serie A at the time, alongside Veron and Rui Costa the chief playmakers and also that his international exploits elevated him furthermore, but that’s the way it has always been for nearly every player, players are elevated by big moments big games at the big stage, in nearly every sport.Zidane - An incredible big game player, but in terms of performances game-in game-out over the course of the season he was never near the level that people try to put him.
Kaka - His best ever season where he won the Balon d'or, he wasn't even the best player in his league (Totti was better) let alone better than Cristiano. A very good CL campaign, part of which was up against a second string Utd defence because of injuries, seems to have led people to rate him at a higher level than I really think he reached.
Bergkamp & Zola - Good players, but not as good as they seem to get rated. Hell I see people (normally non-Utd fans) try to claim they were at a similar level as Cantona.
Gerrard - As I said in a post above, he had all the tools to be truly world class in a more advanced position but spent the majority of his career as a talented but inconsistent central midfielder.
I can understand how people can argue that Cristiano (peak)/Giggs (longevity)/Shearer (a bit of both) is the best premier league player ever, but surely Henry has done enough so that the mention of him being one wouldn't be "ridiculous"? Which players do you consider being better than him?Henry. He was obviously a unbelievable player, but people talk about him as the best premier league player ever and that’s just ridiculous to me.
I think the initial hype around Koke was justified but he needed to move. Simone has limited his game so much, in my view.Agree. I'm putting Saul in there as well.
Both seem like Spanish Henderson's. Decent all rounders but the way they were hyped was unbelievable.
Yeah his negative coaching and tactics no doubt have impeded a few of their promising players.I think the initial hype around Koke was justified but he needed to move. Simone has limited his game so much, in my view.
These threads always have some great potential but within 2 pages are completely ruined by insane takes.So I’ve seen Zidane Ronaldinho Keane Gerrard Henry Bergkamp Modric Totti Mbappe... I think being mentioned in this thread is a good thing
Busquets is not even that highly rated for the most part but his role in their success can’t be overstated. People majorly under estimate the difficulty of the position. You have to be a baller but you need a dirty side too. To conduct you need balance, strength, vision, precise dribbling in tight spaces, razor sharp passing and all while knowing a mistake almost certainly leads to a bad chance against you but he could recycle the ball in almost any situation and get them up the pitch. He showed the opposition just enough of the ball to get them to press him and then he’d effortlessly take them out of the game.Yeah exactly, they are pure gold dust. Busquets is another of this type who has been outstanding, although I'm sure I've seen his name in this thread listed as overrated.
Yeah Neves is a budget version and Rice could become better in this role but I'm not his biggest fan.
Definitely not as good as Rooney. Maybe as a goal scorer but Rooney was a much more complete player.Hes as good as Rooney. What has Saudi assembled got to do with it? Messi and Ronaldo played wit better players and Henry in some seasons. He was brilliant in La Liga too. When they signed him was the first time I genuinely got worried by City and he proved why