So the propagation of that 3m figure is in fact a failure of reading comprehension then?
Other reports claim 7m per year (Sky), or 8m per year (WAZ).
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Other reports claim 7m per year (Sky), or 8m per year (WAZ).
I am sure I read about it this morning but it seems to be corrected to 8 mio€ now
Of course you prefer your system, you win the league every season. Sorry to disrespect the feeder clubs in your league, I mean this is a Manchester United forum, we all should’ve known better.
Classic Falk?
The difference is you are not losing them to your closest competitor.
The fact that Bayern can take pretty much any player or manager in the Bundesliga for low prices do feed the statement about the Bundesliga being a feeder league to Bayern.
There's no other league in the world where that happens, not in Italy, Spain, France or England and of course you like the system I would also like if the teams in the EPL were happy to hand us their best players for cheap.
Harsh
I don't think he'll get it full time. Looks like a lost boy on the touchline, I think either Rodgers or Parker will be the next manager. I know Sarri is bookies favourite but I reckon that appointment would make Spurs fans uneasy. Pretty sure he left Chelsea because he wanted to go back to Italy so I doubt he'll be back.Again though, why would there be any tension if the deal between Gladbach and Hutter was formally agreed on in the summer? I don't know the ins and the outs of these deals, but I don't understand why the situations were so pressing that they needed to be announced while the season is still ongoing. I'm not saying it's unusual that managers move between even-keeled clubs within the same league, just that doing it while it's still all to play for is unusual (it is in the Premier League, anyway). Managerial announcements are typically made in the summer, assuming the manager is currently already at a team. It doesn't happen in the UK but does in the Bundesliga and I'm wondering why that is.
As long as that stupid 50 + 1 rule exists there simply is no chance of a competitive bundesliga.
The only reason how it would be stopped is to have a sheikh or oil oligarch to bath a club in oil money from top to buttom. And no, about nobody wants that in Germany... It might "help" that one club - but at the same time it will be worse for other traditional clubs that today make the CL but later on will not. Why does somebody that saw the developments in the EPL wants to have that in other leagues, too - especially in a Manchester United forum who still have to live with the Glazers?
Just having more "normal" investors does not help as the Bundesliga does not give possible capital gains or profitability as the EPL. And the growth rates of the last 10 years cannot be expected in the next 10 years.
Because... why?
Imagine a world where Germany didn't have 50+1 rule. These guys think that means "some club can get billionaire owners, a big ass TV contract and gets millions blown up their arse to compete with Bayern", when in truth it'd only mean that Bayern would get the biggest contract, the biggest billionaire and the gap would only widen.
Of course the big six would never admit that their system is just as flawed. The recent adventure in Superleagues are an exemplary exploration of true competetiveness... Ah, if only life was as easy as FM21...
Oh look, a club of similar stature both domestically and internationally as United being run well and appointing new managers, rebuilding their squad for sustained future success, without a single use of the words 'progress' or 'transition', working within their means to conduct business efficiently and with foresight. Their owners and board must actually want to be successful or something.
On a serious note, we should be on a similar level to a club like Bayern, domestic success isnt guaranteed with the oil money boys around but could you ever imagine them not being in a title race for one season? And what would they do about the situation if it ever arose? They are an elite club, behaving like one. We are no longer elite sadly.
On a serious note, we should be on a similar level to a club like Bayern, domestic success isnt guaranteed with the oil money boys around but could you ever imagine them not being in a title race for one season? And what would they do about the situation if it ever arose? They are an elite club, behaving like one. We are no longer elite sadly.
That stupid rule not only prevented our clubs from taking part in the ESL disaster, it's also a key factor for keeping stadium visits affordable in our country.
Bit of a downgrade from Flick that
For the all the flak that the big breakaway clubs in England have got lately (completely deservedly, of course), the rivalries that exist between them would prevent this kind of move. A player in their prime seldom joins a rival. A manager? Not a chance.
It is shocking how frequently Bayern poach the best talent in their own league (including managers now) from their direct rivals. For the Bundesliga as a whole, its a travesty.
It is shocking how frequently Bayern poach the best talent in their own league (including managers now) from their direct rivals. For the Bundesliga as a whole, its a travesty.
Time will tell.
To me it seems weird that our team will now be coached by a guy their age, in fact younger than some of them, and i see the potential for conflict in that. On the other hand i am rather confident in the professionalism and inherent motivation of our players.
so once again Bayern rip the soul out of another club inside the Bundesliga.....they already own Dortmund and now they are taking managers from another CL based club in Germany
Sure, Van Persie never happened, and Sterling isn't a City player now...
If we don't poach them, other wealthy foreign clubs do.
Bayern have to give birth to their playersAnd RBL and Dortmund are doing the same thing to lesser teams... are you now arguing against player transfers in general? Where do you think Bayern should get new players/coaches from?
Richer clubs can take Bayerns players as they did with Ballack Kroos and Alaba but Bayern is not allowed to take players from poorer clubs
I wonder if there is any other club his type of rule applies to
I think it's just butthurt from other fans, When Bayern was irrelevant in Europe no one cared if they get all their players from other Buli clubs.
I did say seldom. Van Persie moved at a time when Arsenal were nowhere near challenging for the title. Sterling too when Liverpool hadn't won the league in 30 years. And before that you will probably have to go back to Sol Campbell when a player joined their direct rivals (and even then Spurs were not as strong as they have been in recent years).
Leipzig are second in the league. The move has been announced before the season has ended. Isn't the same also true for when Dortmund players have moved to your club? C'mon, Bayern are the sole big club in the Bundesliga.
Also the main reason why it's a 1 club league.
Because clubs do their business early (it gives them certainty and allows them to go for the best deals and adjust their squad as best as they can to their new coach and his philosophy), the press inevitably gets wind of it at some point and then the coach (and DoF and players) has to dodge questions every time a reporter gets access, which between pre/post match interviews and press conferences is several times a week. While fans and press build up resentment, because you can only no comment or be evasive so often, before people see through it.
Rose to Dortmund, Flick to DFB and Nagelsmann to Bayern blew up in the press long before clubs made statements or signed contracts. They merely reacted.
How? It's not like german clubs don't have very wealthy shareholders and in the case of Leverkusen and Leipzig owners.
Leipzig are second in the league and still a club that isn't even among the Top20 in Europe in regards to their size and revenue. They have no chance of holding personnel too good for the stature of their club. There is a reason why there was so much talk about Nagelsmann's possible PL destinations come next season. If we wouldn't have gotten him now, some other rich club elsewhere would have.
As for Dortmund, we poached 3 players from them over the course of the past 8 years, and only one of these transfers had a dickish element to it, that was using Götze's RC. In my book, that counts as seldom, too.
A lot of people have asked how Leipzig could allow their coach to go to their biggest competitor.
Leipzig's CEO gave a press conference today and said that when they hired Nagelsmann they agreed to not include a release clause in his contract but that Nagelsmann had clearly stated that going to Bayern one day was his lifelong dream. He kinda implied that it was some sort of verbal agreement that they have now honored.
He also added that "we wouldn't have let him go for 23 million €". I guess he has to spin it in a way that'll pacify Leipzig's followers.
Leipzig's CEO gave a press conference today and said that when they hired Nagelsmann they agreed to not include a release clause in his contract but that Nagelsmann had clearly stated that going to Bayern one day was his lifelong dream. He kinda implied that it was some sort of verbal agreement that they have now honored.
He also added that "we wouldn't have let him go for 23 million €". I guess he has to spin it in a way that'll pacify Leipzig's followers.
Without any outside investment no team is going to be able to compete with Bayern on a consistent basis.
That was happening in Serie A during Juve dominant years, Higuain, Pjanic and Szcesny (spelling). It happens in Spain with the top two for example with Greizmann and ironically if it weren't for "sugar daddy's" Walker, Fiszman, Roman and Sheiks same would have probably happened in England especially under Fergie's watch.
I am not seeing the correlation?
It happened with Lyon in the 2000s.
Can’t you guys create a „let’s cry about Bayern“ thread and leave this and the Bundesliga one to people actually interested in discussing the matters?
Could be the manager for 30+ years
or could flop ruin his growing reputation and never get a big job again
I think that his lack of experience as a top level player will be more telling personally. The best way to circumvent it is to have a larger than life personality or to hit the ground running in terms of winning trophies. Time will tell indeed.
I will repeat myself but considering the amount of quality players that Dortmund produced in the last ~10 years, it's actually noteworthy that we "only" signed three of them including one who came from our own youth to Dortmund and none of their coaches.
It's not like Sahin, Kagawa, Piszczek, Gündogan, Subotic, Reus, Dembele, now Haaland/Sancho wouldn't have been nice additions at one point or another.
Fun fact: With Neuer, Sane, Goretzka and Nübel we have signed more former Schalke players (other club most hit by us is Stuttgart with Gomez, Ulreich, Kimmich and Pavard).
It's not like Sahin, Kagawa, Piszczek, Gündogan, Subotic, Reus, Dembele, now Haaland/Sancho wouldn't have been nice additions at one point or another.
Fun fact: With Neuer, Sane, Goretzka and Nübel we have signed more former Schalke players (other club most hit by us is Stuttgart with Gomez, Ulreich, Kimmich and Pavard).
I thought Kimmich was from Leipzig when they were in division 2I will repeat myself but considering the amount of quality players that Dortmund produced in the last ~10 years, it's actually noteworthy that we "only" signed three of them including one who came from our own youth to Dortmund and none of their coaches.
It's not like Sahin, Kagawa, Piszczek, Gündogan, Subotic, Reus, Dembele, now Haaland/Sancho wouldn't have been nice additions at one point or another.
Fun fact: With Neuer, Sane, Goretzka and Nübel we have signed more former Schalke players (other club most hit by us is Stuttgart with Gomez, Ulreich, Kimmich and Pavard).
True about Serie A, but it was just for a couple of seasons when Italian teams were broke, totally different to Bundesliga where clubes are healthy but still are happy to sell for cheap to Bayern.
In Spain I don't think it's the case, Atletico didn't happily sold Griezmann, they were forced to and still sold him for a huge sum.
Nevermind England, how often do star players get traded between the top 6?
He was there on loan from Stuttgart.
The “big 6” panicked because there is so much money running around the PL that clubs outside the “big 6” can afford enough quality to compete for the CL spots. Not as fun as one club gets to buy whoever they want (not an opinion but a fact) but then again what is.Imagine a world where Germany didn't have 50+1 rule. These guys think that means "some club can get billionaire owners, a big ass TV contract and gets millions blown up their arse to compete with Bayern", when in truth it'd only mean that Bayern would get the biggest contract, the biggest billionaire and the gap would only widen.
Of course the big six would never admit that their system is just as flawed. The recent adventure in Superleagues are an exemplary exploration of true competetiveness... Ah, if only life was as easy as FM21...
You should indeed know better, since Man Utd does the exact same thing with subtop clubs in the EPL: buy their best players. The only difference is that the Bundesliga currently doesn't have a top 4, or top 6, but a top 1. That's obviously boring and frustrating, and makes the league a relatively dull affair; but other than that, the dynamic between the top and subtop club(s) is exactly the same in the EPL and BL.Of course you prefer your system, you win the league every season. Sorry to disrespect the feeder clubs in your league, I mean this is a Manchester United forum, we all should’ve known better.
And for good measure, I might add here that all Man Utd supporters feel completely confident and comfortable about buying Leicester players. How's that different from Bayern buying a Leipzig player? (As for their coach, see the people in the Rodgers thread suggesting that he'd be a good successor to Ole if you'd need one.)