My thoughts exactly.I'd definitely agree with that. I felt Zlatan while he was here, though he got goals, slowed the play down and we didn't always get the best out of other players.
Individually he hasn't. We have been trending 2nd much of the season from as early as week 16, without his goals so he is just playing for the 2nd best team. We aren't 2nd because of him. He himself has hardly been a defining factor in the league position this season and only scored in a few games. he has scored in 7 matches this season out of 33 matches we have played as a team, yet we are 2nd. It is certainly not because of him. He is a small factor much like a super sub who has chipped in with a few key goals here and there. basically Ole's role. Now that he is starting he is being elevated as the savior when in fact we have done this mostly in spite of him. He has hardly even scored in the Europa (his 2nd and 3rd goals came vs Roma) so again we are already the best team in the competition without him, having swept aside all opps. We also won the EL in the Zlatan season. There is little to argue that he as an 'individual' has been better as he has 12 goals but he clearly plays for a much better team with better players and more positive manager. That's all.If you offered me either one in their prime I'm taking Cavani.
For us it's arguable I think, Zlatan scored more but he was fit when he started and Edinson had just had 7 months with no football so it took him a minute to get going, since Christmas he has been incredible and if he pushes us to EL and 2nd he'd have done better than Zlatan for me
We have been trending 2nd much of the season from as early as week 16, without his goals. he has scored in 7 matches this league season out of 33 matches. He has hardly even scored in the Europa (his 2nd and 3rd goals came vs Roma).Isn’t it a little bit the taste of fresh memories? How big impact has Cavani had on our season? PL, CL, EL, domestic cups?Would we be worse with another striker? IMO not a big impact.
I rate Ibra higher but yeah this comparison is weird. The same when people compare Rooney and Shearer goals etc. Rooney used to play left wing in big games to compensate for Ronaldo(which was right)and also dropped a lot into AM/CM. You can’t compare both to out and put Strikers like Ibra/ShearerYou're also ignoring Cavani spent as a winger until Zlatan left, which makes his numbers look worse in comparision. Context matters.
I agree as impact overall. But what is his goals per minutes? I seen he only started 12 games this season. He has been good but Martial has made him better and more important due to being gash this seasonWe have been trending 2nd much of the season from as early as week 16, without his goals. he has scored in 7 matches this league season out of 33 matches. He has hardly even scored in the Europa (his 2nd and 3rd goals came vs Roma).
It’s even more strange they continued to fail when they replaced Zlatan with Mbappe and Neymar.It's quite odd that PSG had both these legends together but still failed dismally to achieve anything meaningful outside of France.
This was also my opinion. He has been ok overall but even in his best game, vs Roma, I think we would have won without him.We have been trending 2nd much of the season from as early as week 16, without his goals. he has scored in 7 matches this league season out of 33 matches. He has hardly even scored in the Europa (his 2nd and 3rd goals came vs Roma).
This is what I never understood about failing though only 1 team can win the CL yet Bayern,PSG,City, Real don’t win it they fail. PSG lost in the final last year to the best team in the world and are about to lose in SF to the best team in the world. They are there near the level to win it just a bit off.It’s even more strange they continued to fail when they replaced Zlatan with Mbappe and Neymar.
This was also my opinion. He has been ok overall but even in his best game, vs Roma, I think we would have won without him.
Totally agree!Zlatan had better year but I would pick Cavani. Best thing about Cavani is, he works hard from min 1 to 90. Always on the move. Zlatan is very static and wants everything to flow though him.
I would pick peak Cavani ahead of peak Zlatan but Zlatan had better season individually than Cavani.
Also people forgot how frustrating Zlatan was in 2016-17, this is the threadmark for the game he was injured, many were tired watching him kill any hope of counters by that time.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/zlatan-ibrahimović-2016-17-performances.419581/page-226
Saying all that, individually Zlatan had very good year but for the team I would pick Cavani every single time.
But then, we've already scored more goals than we did that season and it's not over yet.Much better team yet his rival CF scored like 7 goals this season. If you struggle to take that players place you have major issues. Zlatan scored close to 30 goals. Not a single CF in our team has done this, least of all this season. so we gonna play CF who score 7-10 goals over one who can bag 30? not a single manager would do this
If winning the CL is your realistic goal but you never win, that’s a failure.This is what I never understood about failing though only 1 team can win the CL yet Bayern,PSG,City, Real don’t win it they fail. PSG lost in the final last year to the best team in the world and are about to lose in SF to the best team in the world. They are there near the level to win it just a bit off.
Also I don’t think we win it without him he scored the equaliser the one to go ahead and won the peno with a run none of strikers would make.Us 2-1 down can turn into snorefests he turned that around
Cavani was shunted to the wing when they played together at PSG. They played a 433.Zlatan took penalties and free kicks, so you can't just compare their goals stats.
When they were playing together, Cavani was the main striker while Zlatan was the number 10, so I think Cavani is more complete striker.
I'd take Cavani in a team that want to develop, but I'd take Zlatan for an instant success. Zlatan would've won us the games againts Leeds and WBA, a proper title challenger.
Zlatan played 180 games for PSG with some of them as a 10 (often with Cavani ahead of him), so Zlatan had maybe 150/180 games as CF while Cavani, who played 120 games more at the club, had 150/300 as CF. So the only real difference between them is that on top of those 150-ish games each as CF Cavani played 100+ games as a fluid wing forward in a 4-3-3 while Zlatan played 20-30 games as a 10.You're also ignoring Cavani played as a winger until Zlatan left, which makes his numbers look worse in comparision. Context matters.
4-3-3 on paper but they actually played a diamond formation when attacking. Cavani had less defensive responsibility while Zlatan had to battle in midfield area, that's why Zlatan got more red cards.Cavani was shunted to the wing when they played together at PSG. They played a 433.
This is why I find Cavani better.I think Zlatan was more important for us then Cavani is
Good points.Are we talking about the same Ibrahimovich that missed more (18) big chances than he scored (17) in the Premier League? The same season he was our absolute focal point which resulted in us finishing six points behind Arsenal in 6th; drawing 15 times?
Cavani has been a totally different level.
Maybe it has to do with the fact that the current team has better players than the team Zlatan was in. Back then it looked like Pogba was the only one who understood Zlatan's movement and was capable of linking up well with him.This is why I find Cavani better.
Everything had to go through Zlatan due to the type of striker he was and the manager we had. He stood out more but that made us only ever as good as Zlatan.
Cavani doesnt effect the speed and technique of the players around him as much as Zlatan did in my opinion and we feel like we have much more amount of players influencing the game all the time.
I mean you got it right & its exactly what I remember - our inverted forwards looked out of balance with Zlatan. However we have players like Rashford and Greenwood who have played in an around Cavani and in a weird good way - it feels like Cavani is never there unless he needs to be.Maybe it has to do with the fact that the current team has better players than the team Zlatan was in. Back then it looked like Pogba was the only one who understood Zlatan's movement and was capable of linking up well with him.
Cavani currently links perfectly great with Pogba as well, alongside Bruno and Greenwood. Meanwhile whenever he played alongside Martial and Rashford it felt for me the entire three are incapable of linking with each other, because Rashford and Martial want to go straight for the goal rather than building up unlike Pogba and Bruno. Even against Rome, Rashford felt like an outlier in comparison to what Cavani, Pogba and Bruno were doing together.
Cavani can barely start once a fortnight. He looks good when he plays, but he’s essentially a part-time footballer.Are we talking about the same Ibrahimovich that missed more (18) big chances than he scored (17) in the Premier League? The same season he was our absolute focal point which resulted in us finishing six points behind Arsenal in 6th; drawing 15 times?
Cavani has been a totally different level.
The manager has started him once a fortnight but I've seen no evidence that he couldn't start more often. He's looked less tired at 80 mins than Rashford recently at minute one.Cavani can barely start once a fortnight. He looks good when he plays, but he’s essentially a part-time footballer.
He is the world class lump up front to play high balls to for the flick-ons and knock downs.I only saw Zlatan play live at Old Trafford once, I was shocked by how little he moved. Completely static the entire match and everything had to go through him, so he dictated our style of play. Cavani on the other hand is so mobile, intelligent movement, workhorse attitude and works into a style of play to suit the team. Obviously I've not seen him live but looks so much better for the team.
Plus as entertaining as Ibrahimovic attitude was I'd prefer to have a player who is for the good of the team, not for the Glory of the almighty Zlatan.
This.Cavani gives us far more, and is not an utter bellend in the process.
This: it’s his class which I like along with his goals. If he stays and we’re back at OT I’ll get a shirt with his name onCavani gives us far more, and is not an utter bellend in the process.
pretty much and Cavani lack of availability has made him have minimal impact as you pointed out. this was highlighted as a concern the moment we signed him as he missed all the previous season. He has been great as a back up squad rotation CF but not reliable.I agree as impact overall. But what is his goals per minutes? I seen he only started 12 games this season. He has been good but Martial has made him better and more important due to being gash this season
we have a vastly better team and less negative managerBut then, we've already scored more goals than we did that season and it's not over yet.
